Earth, then light (Big Bang), Created on Day One; Sun, Moon and Stars Created on Day Four

Creation day 1 - 4 could have been very long, even millions of, 'present day years', long.

  • This concept is allowable for a Creationist.

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  • This concept is unallowable for a Creationist

    Votes: 19 57.6%
  • The biblical definition of 'day', is one dark, light, cycle; Not 24 hours, until Day Four

    Votes: 2 6.1%

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It is the obstacle of atheist scientist's explanation of 'creation', from nothing, without God's help, that is hindering you from understanding that scientifically, billions of years of star formation can occur in six days. I am here to help you get past the obstacle of atheist scientists false 'creation' they have created and defend, at all cost, even the cost of their reputations as scientists.

My astronomy instructor on the first day of class explained, he said; I'm not going to be teaching you the truth. I'm going to teach you the current state of the art. That's the best science can do. Science doesn't concern it'self with matters of faith. It's out of the realm that science exists within.

Hello Eloy,
You said, 'Science doesn't concern it'self with matters of faith'. Atheist cosmologist Stephen Hawking, considered one of the greatest scientists of modern times, disagrees with you.


'I'm not afraid': What Stephen Hawking said about God,
his atheism and his own death

“Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation. What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t. I’m an atheist.”

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing,” the book states.Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-death/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f0e1a1917c09
 
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'I'm not afraid': What Stephen Hawking said about God,
his atheism and his own death

“Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation. What I meant bywe would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t. I’m an atheist.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-death/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f0e1a1917c09

Can everyone see how cosmologist Stephen Hawking's huge human pride, has lead himself to believe that he is a god? Hawking's logic is, knowledge is to be god, if there were a god, everyone would have knowledge (knowledge as great as Hawking has), everyone does not have knowledge like him, therefore there is no God, he (Hawking) has tremendous knowledge, therefore Stephen Hawking's human pride makes himself to be a god.

Genesis 3:4
But the serpent said to the woman: 'You certainly will not die! No, God knows well that the moment you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods'

Sirach 10:12

The beginning of pride is man's stubbornness in withdrawing his heart from his Maker; For pride is the reservoir of sin, a source which runs over with vice; Because of it God sends unheard-of afflictions and brings men to utter ruin.
 
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Steven, Not all scientists are atheists. Christians, agnostics as well as many people of 'all' religions are physicists and scientists as well (I would say, that those who want to 'argue' that there is no Designer, Creator or God are more often emotionally biased, as such a position seems unscientific and illogical).

So, I don't believe very many physicists, scientists and such, simply set out on a mission to destroy the biblical creation account. For example; I was neither a christian nor an atheist before I was 30, and I wasn't interested in either, nor did I have any opinion for or against atheism or christianity - I simply had an interest in the universe and space. I approached physics no differently than I approached auto mechanics or engineering - with no opinion concerning religion or 'isms'.

I would not label anyone who simply doesn't believe in a literal 6 day creation, nor would I call crazy anyone who holds to the literal 6 day creation account.
 
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The Big Bang could not have occurred. Where did the cosmic matter come from? The Bible does not even remotely describe any "Big Bang."

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Genesis 1 Day One
In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters—
Then God said:
Let there be light, and there was light.
 
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Steven, Not all scientists are atheists. Christians, agnostics as well as many people of 'all' religions are physicists and scientists as well (I would say, that those who want to 'argue' that there is no Designer, Creator or God are more often emotionally biased, as such a position seems unscientific and illogical).

So, I don't believe very many physicists, scientists and such, simply set out on a mission to destroy the biblical creation account. For example; I was neither a christian nor an atheist before I was 30, and I wasn't interested in either, nor did I have any opinion for or against atheism or christianity - I simply had an interest in the universe and space. I approached physics no differently than I approached auto mechanics or engineering - with no opinion concerning religion or 'isms'.

I would not label anyone who simply doesn't believe in a literal 6 day creation, nor would I call crazy anyone who holds to the literal 6 day creation account.

Hello Zelosravioli,

I always specify, 'atheist' scientists, in contrast from Christian scientists. Yes, there is a big difference. It was a Catholic priest, Georges Lemaître, who came up with the 'Big Bang' theory. Obviously he was not an atheist, nor did he see the big bang as a conflict with our Living God as our Creator.

Georges Lemaître

In 1927, the Belgian Catholic priest Georges Lemaître proposed an expanding model for the universe to explain the observed redshifts of spiral nebulae, and calculated the Hubble law. He based his theory on the work of Einstein and De Sitter, and independently derived Friedmann's equations for an expanding universe.
History of the Big Bang theory - Wikipedia
 
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I would say, that those who want to 'argue' that there is no Designer, Creator or God are more often emotionally biased, as such a position seems unscientific and illogical.

'I'm not afraid': What Stephen Hawking said about God,
his atheism and his own death

Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation. What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t. I’m an atheist.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-death/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f0e1a1917c09

Hello zelosravioli,
It was the mid nineties. A friend of mine had loaned me his, three DVD set, titled 'The Cosmos'. Stephen Hawking was narrating. It was spectacular and truly beautiful as all the pictures and science over the past, of what they called 13.8 billion years was laid out. I loved it!

All of a sudden Hawking was at the Vatican trying to force Pope John Paul II to accept the 13.8 billion years as what the Church sees as God's Creation. Hawking's intent, was to then go on later to explain, 'What came before creation'. If you are a Christian, the whole concept of God's Creation is that this is when the 'Heavens and Earth' came into existence. There was no empty space, matter or energy, dark matter, dark energy, corks, strings, or anything physical, before our Omnipotent God began Creation.

Hawking was out to prove God wrong with what ever deception he had to use to do it. They showed Galileo imprisoned by the Church and made it look like the Church was now persecuting poor Hawking by not accepting his 13.8 billion years from creation. Hawking went from master cosmologist to being scientifically illiterate, in switching to now be the master theologian who destroys the biblical account of Creation, and then go on to show us what came before 'creation', in order to mock God. Hawking probably hates God because of his disability, and this is why he went on a tangent to mock God. I don't know. But here we are, at CF Creationism Forum. We are going to straighten this mess all out.

My main work, here in the Creation Forum, is to get atheist attackers, like Hawking, off faithful to God Creationists, backs. I am a six day Creationist but I am not trying to debate others to become a six day, (dark to light cycles), Creationist. I am not out to convert atheists who attack Creationists (well unless they want to talk to me about Jesus). I am simply looking for a scientific solution which both Creationists and atheists can agree upon, where Creation can happen in six days. We only need one way, which is scientifically acceptable to all, that God's Creation can scientifically happen in six days.

Billions of years of Star formation, in six twenty four hour days, is an obstacle. Using scientifically proven, Time Dilation, billions of years of star formation can occur in six days; obstacle removed. Getting earth to the speed of light is an obstacle. But can we put that off until after we agree on Time Dilation? Can I now count on you to confirm that billions of years of star formation can occur in six days, if God is using Time Dilation, as a first step toward bringing mutual respect and peace between Creationists and, science guys who stick to the 13.8 billion years from creation? We can discuss how to get earth to the speed of light later. For now, can we take that first step and agree that, Using Time Dilation, billions of years of star formation can occur in six days, even six twenty four hour days?
 
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The Big Bang
Genesis 1 Day One
In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters—

Then God said:
Let there be light, and there was light.

I guess this bears repeating. "1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." So far, time does not yet exist.

"3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." - Genesis 1:1-5

God created time in eternity after he shed His light on the earth, one side lit, the other remaining dark. He named the lit side "Day" and the dark side "Night." The earth rotates, which it did to create the morning and the evening, which God called the first day. Subsequent days of this type continued throughout the days of creation and are still going on today. It takes what man divided in time 24 hours for a day to pass. The Bible does not challenge this point at all, in fact recognizes the hour as we know it. One cannot believe the Bible and the old earth/universe both because they disagree, just on this one point alone, they disagree. Further, man has yet to discover any form of aging analysis of rock that he knows works. Radiometric dating disagrees with itself in the various forms of it, by millions and even billions of years in variation between the types of radiometry used for observation and dating.

Although the Doppler effect of stars and galaxies, etc. does exist in our observations in astronomy, it was God who first put the stars, etc. in their place, set them in motion, and established all the beams of light from them to the earth or any area space that He knows man will be in to see such beams from the cosmos. He created the stars, etc., why not the beams of light from them to the earth as well? He is God. His word stands with NO additions to it or taking away from it. Science is supposed to be man's attempt at explaining creation, not to exclude God from it. There are some, such as Darwin, who tried to prove there is no God, and some scientists who do not care one way or the other. Then there are scientists who use science to explain creation by God. Those who do not care or are against the belief in God invent what the Bible calls, "science falsely so-called."
 
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Time dilation and space flight

Time dilation would make it possible for passengers in a fast-moving vehicle to travel further into the future while aging very little, in that their great speed slows down the rate of passage of on-board time. That is, the ship's clock (and according to relativity, any human traveling with it) shows less elapsed time than the clocks of observers on earth. For sufficiently high speeds the effect is dramatic. For example, one year of travel might correspond to ten years at home. Indeed, a constant 1 g acceleration would permit humans to travel through the entire known Universe in one human lifetime. The space travelers couldreturn to Earth billions of years in the future.

A scenario based on this idea was presented in the novel Planet of the Apes by Pierre Boulle.

Quoted From: Wikipedia Time Dilation
Physical time stops elapsing at the speed of light. The closer you get to the speed of light, the slower physical time elapses. Albert Eisenstein's, scientifically proven, 'Theory of Relativity', Time Dilation.

Solve the following science question for time since Day One of Creation, aka the Big Bang.

It is the future and you have a star ship that can do near the speed of light. You decide to "travel through the entire known Universe in one human lifetime" as Wikipedia Time Dilation definition describes. You travel 100,000 billion light years in your 60 years of near light speed travels. A light year is the distance light travels in one earth orbit around the sun. When you come back to earth, 100,000 billion years will have passed on earth (which has remained constant at its present day velocity) in your 60 years of light speed traveling.

So, the question becomes, how many years from God's Day One of Creation, aka the Big Bang, is it now? Is it now 100,013.8 billion years from Creation? Or is it now 13.8 billion years + your 60 years of life, from Creation? Or is it, there is no such thing as time from Creation, because physical time is a variable which depends on velocity; in Einstein's words, 'Relative'. We can only rely on God's Word, for the period since His Creation of all that exists.
 
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I am simply looking for a scientific solution which both Creationists and atheists can agree upon, where Creation can happen in six days. We only need one way, which is scientifically acceptable to all, that God's Creation can scientifically happen in six days.
Dr Hugh Ross and others are creationist and scientist and they have no problems with billions of years. Yom is not restricted to 24 hour cycle only so there is no problem. Please clarify why it must be acceptable to all to fix a 6x24hr creation event. Evolution is another topic but even that is not required nor suggested to have happened.

What are your objections to the meaning of yom as an unspecified period of time (demarcated with a beginning and an end)?
 
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Dr Hugh Ross and others are creationist and scientist and they have no problems with billions of years. Yom is not restricted to 24 hour cycle only so there is no problem. Please clarify why it must be acceptable to all to fix a 6x24 hr creation event. Evolution is another topic but even that is not required nor suggested to have happened.

What are your objections to the meaning of yom as an unspecified period of time (demarcated with a beginning and an end)?

Hello SinoBen,
I do not know who scientist Hugh Ross is. The whole point of this thread is stress that from Day One of Creation, to Day Four of Creation, earth has not yet been caught in our sun's orbit, thus 24 hour 'days' are not created till the Fourth Day of Creation. God clearly defines 'day' as one dark to light cycle on earth.

Do you agree that when God said, "Let There Be Light!", this was, what scientists see as the 'Big Bang'? The 'Big Bang' was all about a tremendous light coming into existence. Earth was cycling next to the 'Big Bang' for the first three plus Days of Creation. It was the big bang giving earth light for its dark to light cycles, until Day Four of Creation, when God creates our sun and moon to, "illuminate the earth" and to "and to "Let them mark the seasons, the days and the years".

Can you see that the 24 hour day, 365 days in a year, did not exist until Creation Day Four, when God created our sun and moon? God creates our sun and moon to, "Let them mark the seasons, the days and the years" to "mark" our 24 hour day and 365 days in a year. So a, dark light cycle, which God defines as 'a day', could have been millions of years or it could have been two hours. Days are not confined to 24 hours until Day Four of Creation.

Does this make sense to you?

Genesis 1:1 The Story of Creation.
Day One
In the beginning
, when God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters—
Then God said: Let there be light, and there was light.
God saw that the light was good. God then separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” Evening came, and morning followed—the first day.

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Day Four
Then God said: Let there be lights in the dome of the sky, to separate day from night. Let them mark the seasons, the days and the years, and serve as lights in the dome of the sky, to illuminate the earth. And so it happened: God made the two great lights, the greater one to govern the day, and the lesser one to govern the night, and the stars.
God set them in the dome of the sky, to illuminate the earth
, to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. God saw that it was good. Evening came, and morning followed—the fourth day.
 
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Do you agree that when God said, "Let There Be Light!", this was, what scientists see as the 'Big Bang'?

Hi Steven, if you have not heard of Dr Ross then I highly recommend watching the many many youtube videos of his presentations, and please keep an open mind as you do. Also watch his demeanour when in debates, if it is any indication as to godliness.

OK now to the above, I think that is one possibility but I do not take that route. If we accept the BB then we can place that as already happening "In the beginning" (note: our perspective is from the cosmos looking at heaven and earth).

When God said "Let there be light", in this verse, the perspective has moved to the surface of planet Earth. From a planet previously covered with super thick atmosphere to one that is opaque, allowing the rays of the sun to penetrate the surface. So it isn't God creating light for the first time, but that God is dispersing thick atmosphere to a thinner one allowing the light of an already existing sun to reach the surface of earth. Dr Ross, an astronomer, explains the process in scientific terms.

Before I answer regarding the 24hr cycle on the Fourth Day I would like to ask you where and how Genesis 2 fits in with Genesis 1 based on your model. Cheers.
 
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The Science Behind Six Day Creationists
Which Atheist Scientists Cannot Refute

The earth is 'falling' into the sun. Earth keeps missing the sun due to its forward velocity past the sun. This gives us our orbit around the sun. Due to the massive mass of the sun and earth, the force of gravity, pulling the earth toward the sun, is tremendous.

God Created the earth. Then God said, "Let There Be Light!", and the mass of one septillion stars popped into existence (the big bang), on the head of a needle, next to earth. The gravitational pull on earth, from the tremendous mass of the big bang, is
astronomical. Near the speed of light velocity, toward the big bang, is attained by earth.

Physical time elapses slower for our GPS
satellites in space, than it does on earth. This is due to Time Dilation. We have to have computers to compensate for this Time Dilation, variation in elapsing physical time, between earth time and GPS satellites time, or the GPS system would put you in the ditch. At the speed of light, physical time stops elapsing. Near the speed of light, billions of years of star formation can occur in four days on earth. On the Fourth Day of Creation, earth is caught by our sun's gravitation, and earth starts its orbit around our sun, at its present day velocity and thus our present day rate of elapsing physical time.

Dark to light cycles on earth, is the clock which God, man, and even atheist scientists, use to describe the amount of physical time which has elapsed since the big bang; which the big bang is God's, "Let There Be Light!" on the First Day of Creation. It does not matter what is going on at lower velocities, even billions of years of star formation, the clock we all use to measure physical time since Creation, is how much physical time elapsed on earth, since Day One of Creation. On earth, which is traveling at near the speed of light, only six days go by from the big bang till Adam is alive on earth.

There you have it; the science behind God Creating the earth, with man on it, in six days.

Concept copyrighted and quoted from:
Using Time Dilation, Billions of years of Star Formation Can Occur in Six Days.

Please also visit my thread:
The Aliens are going to laugh at earth cosmologists explaining 13.8 billion years from creation.
 
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“Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation.

Can everyone see how cosmologist Stephen Hawking's huge human pride, has lead himself to believe that he is a god?

It is in the presumptuous judgement of other's minds for me...he was a physicist, not a telepath.
 
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The Science Behind Six Day Creationists
Which Atheist Scientists Cannot Refute

The earth is 'falling' into the sun. Earth keeps missing the sun due to its forward velocity past the sun. This gives us our orbit around the sun. Due to the massive mass of the sun and earth, the force of gravity, pulling the earth toward the sun, is tremendous.

God Created the earth. Then God said, "Let There Be Light!", and the mass of one septillion stars popped into existence (the big bang), on the head of a needle, next to earth. The gravitational pull on earth, from the tremendous mass of the big bang, is
astronomical. Near the speed of light velocity, toward the big bang, is attained by earth.

Physical time elapses slower for our GPS
satellites in space, than it does on earth. This is due to Time Dilation. We have to have computers to compensate for this Time Dilation, variation in elapsing physical time, between earth time and GPS satellites time, or the GPS system would put you in the ditch. At the speed of light, physical time stops elapsing. Near the speed of light, billions of years of star formation can occur in four days on earth. On the Fourth Day of Creation, earth is caught by our sun's gravitation, and earth starts its orbit around our sun, at its present day velocity and thus our present day rate of elapsing physical time...
I appreciate your trying to get others to take a look at this theory. Not that I would agree, but it is worthwhile to look into, I know how fast so many are to argue before taking an objective look into something.. science itself bares this out...
'So the apostles and elders met to look into this matter. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them... (Acts 15:6)
'It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to search it out. 3 As the heavens are high and the earth is deep, so the hearts of kings cannot be searched.…' (Proverbs 25:2)
 
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On Day One, God created earth. Then God said "Let There Be Light". I think it is obvious that the first light in the Universe was, what scientist refer to as, 'The Big Bang'. Earth was created first, and then the Big Bang was Commanded by God to come into existence...
Genesis verses 1:14-19 seems to belong after verse 1:5.

I have long been a student of Genesis, especially chapters 1-3, and I came across this odd problem/solution a few years ago, not 'because' of any problem related to the creation events, but purely from a 'linguistic' observation of the text;

Genesis chap.1 speaks of creating light and darkness, until verse 1:6
- and then the text turns to start talking of the waters and Earth and then vegetation, until verse 1:14
- where it starts speaking of the lights in the heavens 'again' and on through verse 1:19
- and then the text starts speaking again of waters and Earth and now the creation of living creatures.

I find this odd, primarily because the writer skips from speaking of lights and the heavens to water and the Earth, then back again to the lights in the heavens, and then back to water and Earth. It certainly seems to make more sense chronologically, thoughtfully, and as a matter of explaining something linguistically (as any good writer would seem to want to accomplish) to put verse 1:14-19 after verse 1:5.

There are other verses in scripture that have been shown to be out of historic chronology, or interloped, due to copyists/scribe error, or whatever. This is a very ancient part of scripture and I believe the earliest chapters had been passed down, of course I'm not sure who or what sources the early chapters came from, whether Moses compiled them or other scribes, but that is not the real point here - it just really seems to be out of logical order - and moving verses 1:14-19 after verse 1:5 seems to where it logically belongs.

Before someone accuses me of plotting evil :angel:, note that the creation account starting in chapter 2:4 and thru 2:25 has an almost completely 'different order of events' from those in chapter 1. :scratch:
 
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Geetings Zelosravioli,
Sorry for the delay. I was working on my other Creationism thread. Creationism = Quantum Mechanics = Neils Bohr VS. Albert Einstein = Realism = Atheism

Have you read my thread in Theistic Evolution?
No Animals, thus no Evolution, When God First Created Adam; Animals were added Later

We are talking about animals and woman being created only after Adam was already created and living in the Garden of Eden. Obviously we have an altered past, senario. God altering the pasts of reality, which we observe from the present, is what I am dealing with in my Creationism = Quantum Mechanics = Neils Bohr VS. Albert Einstein = Realism = Atheism

I will now read in depth, what you are discussing on this thread.

Thanks for your participation!
Steven
 
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Genesis verses 1:14-19 seems to belong after verse 1:5.

I have long been a student of Genesis, especially chapters 1-3, and I came across this odd problem/solution a few years ago, not 'because' of any problem related to the creation events, but purely from a 'linguistic' observation of the text;

Genesis chap.1 speaks of creating light and darkness, until verse 1:6
- and then the text turns to start talking of the waters and Earth and then vegetation, until verse 1:14
- where it starts speaking of the lights in the heavens 'again' and on through verse 1:19
- and then the text starts speaking again of waters and Earth and now the creation of living creatures.

I find this odd, primarily because the writer skips from speaking of lights and the heavens to water and the Earth, then back again to the lights in the heavens, and then back to water and Earth. It certainly seems to make more sense chronologically, thoughtfully, and as a matter of explaining something linguistically (as any good writer would seem to want to accomplish) to put verse 1:14-19 after verse 1:5.

There are other verses in scripture that have been shown to be out of historic chronology, or interloped, due to copyists/scribe error, or whatever. This is a very ancient part of scripture and I believe the earliest chapters had been passed down, of course I'm not sure who or what sources the early chapters came from, whether Moses compiled them or other scribes, but that is not the real point here - it just really seems to be out of logical order - and moving verses 1:14-19 after verse 1:5 seems to where it logically belongs.

Before someone accuses me of plotting evil :angel:, note that the creation account starting in chapter 2:4 and thru 2:25 has an almost completely 'different order of events' from those in chapter 1. :scratch:
Hello Zelosravioli,
Do you understand, scientifically, just how physical time works? In Genesis 1:6 - 1:14, the 'error' you are speaking of is not an error in scriptures, it is an error in people's understanding of just how, scientifically, physical time works.

Do you understand that: Using Time Dilation, Billions of years of Star Formation Can Occur in Six Days. ? We are talking proven science here.

Physical time stops elapsing at the speed of light. Physical time slows down, more and more, till you get to the speed of light, where time stops elapsing. Faster moving objects have physical time elapsing at far slower rates than objects moving at slower velocities. Our GPS satellites have to have computers to correct for time dilation. Time dilation is the difference in the rate of elapsing physical time, between elapsing physical time on earth and elapsing physical time on our GPS satellites. With the earth moving at near the speed of light, only days are going by, while billions of years of star formation is occurring at slower velocities.

The law of gravity tells us the more mass you have, the more attraction you have. Thus the earth, through the law of God's Creation, gravity, pulls the earth toward the sun due to its mass. If the sun had lower mass than the earth, the sun would be pulled toward the earth. Because the earth has forward motion, though it is being pulled toward the earth, it keeps missing the earth, and thus we have ourselves and earth, orbiting the sun, rather than falling into the sun.

Earth was created first, then light. Light is the big bang, which was a big light. The big bang was the mass of one septillion stars suddenly created next to, already existing earth. The mass of one septillion stars is infinite attraction of gravity, forcing the earth up to near light speed. Thus, only days are going by on earth, while billions of years of star formation are occurring at lower velocities.

On Day Four of Creation, earth is caught in our suns gravitational force. It is at this time that we receive our sun, moon and stars. Before this time, it was the huge light of the big bang that was giving light for earths, dark to light, cycles, which God calls, 'days'. Dark to light cycles on day one through four, are cycles of the earth, rotating next to the big bang. Dark to light cycles, from day four to present day, are earth rotating next to our sun. Big difference! Even twenty four hour days can be occurring on earth, while billions of years are passing by for the rest of the universe. God, man and even atheist scientists, use days on earth to describe the duration of Creation week.
 
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On Day One, God created earth. Then God said "Let There Be Light". I think it is obvious that the first light in the Universe was, what scientist refer to as, 'The Big Bang'. Earth was created first, and then the Big Bang was Commanded by God to come into existence.

Earth does not come into our sun's orbit till day four of Creation. So the conclusion is, that earth is getting it's light from the Big Bang, on Creation days one through part of day four. It is on day four that earth enters into orbit around our sun, and thus 24 hour day and night, month, and year, cycles, begin.

What is interesting is that plant life is already created on day three, before we have our sun.

I believe Genesis 1:1 is the topic and the following verses is about how that had happened. That topic does not end until Genesis 2:3 where afterwards, began the next topic regarding the origin of the generations of man in Genesis 2:4.

That means that light was not the big bang, but that light was to establish the first day of creation week as there was evening and morning that first day and every day. That means the earth wasn't there yet, nor was there any other celestial bodies in the heavens that first day.

The second day, earth was being formed as a water planet with an upper atmosphere.

The third day, land with plant life was spoken into existence on that water planet.

The fourth day, God created the celestial bodies in the heavens, to give light to the earth for the purpose of governing earth for times and seasons; even though light was there that first day to govern what a day was.

Anyway, that is how I read Genesis 1:1- Genesis 2:3 for the creation week account and Genesis 2:4 is a rehash in detail of what had happened on the 6th day in addressing the topic in Genesis 2:4 for where the generations of man had come from. The clue is that no man had been created yet to till the ground in Genesis 2:5 for why I read that as a rehash of the event on the sixth day. That means all mankind came from Adam and Eve as Eve was named as such as being the mother of all the living.

A side note; upon Christ's crucifixion when He took our sins upon Himself and had experienced a separation from the Father, there was an unexplainable darkness from the sixth hour to the ninth hour. Secular historian, Thallus, assumed it was an eclipse, but Jewish traditions of the Passover has it at the full moon for why Josephus Africanus, a Christian historian from Judeo background, said highly unlikely. Plus.. no eclipse last for that long, ever.

John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not...……..9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

I believe Jesus as the Word of God, before His incarnation, had asked the Father for the light that first day of creation, and being our Redeemer as well as our Creator, that light that lighteth every man into the world went out temporarily when He took our sins upon Himself on the cross.

Scripture of Genesis may be misapplied into thinking earth was the center of creation as it is read as such to me, but scripture is about testifying of the Word of God as Jesus said in John 5:39-40, and so scripture is about His story, for why we should apply the scripture in Genesis as about Jesus Christ.

So I do not believe there is any wiggle room for the Big Bang Theory.
 
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So I do not believe there is any wiggle room for the Big Bang Theory.

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Hello Revelation,
Do you understand and agree that the 'big bang', scientifically, is a huge explosion of light, the scientific first light of the Universe?

Do you understand and agree that, scientifically, it could have been six days between the 'big bang' and the creation of Adam, if earth is traveling at near the speed of light?
Using Time Dilation, Billions of years of Star Formation Can Occur in Six Days.

Do you understand that many atheist scientists, are leading people away from Jesus, because they claim, ignorantly, that the Creation story in the Bible, could not scientifically be true?

Would it not be better to teach the world that the Bible and science are in harmony on Creation? In this way science is no longer an obstacle for educated people in their conversion to believe in Jesus Christ.

What do you think?
 
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