THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

ace of hearts · Jan 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
This was already addressed in post # 1272 linked. Your response was to simply ignore it.

Re-post..

This scripture is in harmony with the scriptures provided you already. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are the work and writing of GOD alone *EXODUS 32:26. This connect with *ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

While the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 was written by MOSES *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 that pointed to JESUS and GOD'S plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ. No more SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. The NEW COVENANT brings an and to all the SHADOW laws for SIN offerings and burnt offerings that pointed to JESUS as well as the ceremonial Sanctuary laws from the levitical Priesthood that all point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT.

God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) however has the same role in the NEW COVENANT that they always had and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Hope this helps.

I didn't see anything discussing Jer 31:31-33.

ace of hearts · Jan 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope. Not at all simply reposting the scriptures and post from God's WORD that you did not address and simply ignored. You can ignore them if you like and you do not wish to discuss them if you do not wish to, just say so. These are only re-posted as your simply repeating yourself without addressing the posts and the scriptures that disagree with you. If you do not wish to discuss them you do not have to just say so.

You really mean I'm not allowed to c&p Scripture proving my point? Why aren't you dealing with my support? That's exactly what you try to do with your Scripture references and quotes. You need to treat this forum as a discussion forum as it's intended instead of a preaching platform (bully pulpit).

ace of hearts · Jan 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Indeed your pulling the context out of the quotes you are commenting on. Perhaps that is why you are having trouble understanding the scriptures provided. As posted earlier that is why the scriptures were posted together in that order. One scripture defines the next.

PSALMS 119:142-143 says that God's RIGHTOUESNESS is EVERLASTING and the very next verse posted DEFINES GOD'S RIGHTOUESNESS as the 10 COMMANDMENTS *PSALMS 119:172 which is EVERLASTING.

Hope this helps.

No I attempted to discuss the contents. The truth is you simply don't like what I said. Check your words above and say you're not subbing words or saying words of different meaning are the same.

ace of hearts · Jan 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope. No you didn't you simply ignored the posts and the scriptures provided to you and sent only as a help in love to you or started making claims no one was making (strawman) and arguments no one is talking about and provided your own words over God's WORD.

I've exposed your straw man and burned him.

ace of hearts · Jan 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not at all brother. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. You have only been provided God's WORD and questions for discussion sadly that disagree with you. It seems you do not wish to have a discussion. Trying to use your own words over God's WORD does not make God's WORD disappear. The only things that have been repeated here are the scriptures you have not addressed and refuse to discuss that show the context you leave out of the interpretation of the scriptures that you simply repeat with your own words in place of God's WORD. Even in this very post you try and make claims against the post you are quoting from.

All your posts has been addressed section by section and scriopture by scripture showing the CONTEXT you leave out of your interpretation and how your interpretation of the scripture disagree with scripture. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandment of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Funny thing though in the days of JESUS and the APOSTLES they also were considered a cult and of the devil because they also shared God's WORD. JESUS warned all those who follow him the same would happnen to them.

Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it. *ROMANS 3:4. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear. We will all stand before God's WORD come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. Sadly at this time it will be too late *MATTHEW 7:12-23. We only have now as we do not know what tommorrow brings. Tick tock....

Your dose of condemnation is duly noted. It has nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

ace of hearts · Jan 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
This is another good example of not responding to ther post and the scriptures provided.

I don't understand how you can say that considering my post.

ace of hearts · Jan 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Here you simply make claims and statements about the post that the post is not making or even talking about (strawman).

Oh you require a response that is your words. This is a discussion forum. It's very clear you have no place for discussion.

If no one has said or believe what your posting here why pretend they are?

So you seem to think I'm the only one in the whole world that believes and thinks like me. Wow! I never thought of myself that incredibly special. Thanks!

How about you address the content in the post.

I did. You want only parrots you control.

This is another good example of what was discussed with you earlier about ignoring the post and quote you are referring to to talk about something the post is not even saying. Look at what you have said here and what you are responding to below..

Yes you promote the law for Christians, while I promote grace for the Christians. Your gospel of law keeping for salvation is salvation by self works of the law you can't ever measure up to and don't keep. Jesus talked about people like you with very unflattering words.

Re-post of your false claims about rightouesness coming by the law.

Where? I don't see it. even below. I made no claim about righteousness coming from the law. I did post about righteousness apart from the law. I mention again Rom 3:21 and Gal 2:21.

Of course it doesn't no one ever said it does. Only you have made the claims about rightousness coming from the law.

See my above comment.

As posted earlier through God's WORD, RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10.

That doesn't mean loving is the same as law keeping.

He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

Hope this helps

Yes I read your whole misaligned post insisting law keeping is required for salvation. Tha's why you use Jn 14:15. It's very easy to twist in to something it doesn't say. The rest of your references from 1 Jn are intended to show something they don't by improper assigning pronouns. It used to be a problem for me, too.

ace of hearts · Jan 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not really it was shown in earlier posts to you. This is a good example you provide however on your unsupported claims and using your own words in place of God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

So resort to calling me a liar with Scripture. Great tactic.

ace of hearts · Jan 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
We should not point people to the teachings of men over the Word of God. For me, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. All are welcome to see and hear God's Word, however many are called but few are chosen. Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils but His Word is promises to deliver us and it is here we must find safety. We ought to obey God rather than man. God is love and he that dwells in love dwells in God. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word) and follow him.

Why do you think I'm not following you? You did say sheep follow the Shepard.

ace of hearts · Jan 26, 2019

Kaon said:
This isn't an answer to any of the questions I posed.

Since you read the entire bible, where does the Most High God ever say any of His laws are null and void? Where does the Word of God Himself say this? They are the authority on Law, so show me where The Most High God, or the Word of God ever say the Law has been made inert for anyone who wants to be His people.

Let's save the sophomoric retorts, and get to the real spiritual point.

You believe Jeremiah says God will amend and extend the covenant given to Israel after leaving Egypt. I don't. So you can use words any way you want. I fully understand your loaded question requiring a specific answer including those words. A carnival barker believes there are suckers born every minute.

Kaon · Jan 26, 2019

ace of hearts said:
You believe Jeremiah says God will amend and extend the covenant given to Israel after leaving Egypt. I don't. So you can use words any way you want. I fully understand your loaded question requiring a specific answer including those words. A carnival barker believes there are suckers born every minute.

Oh, ok.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Let's deal with this first.
You believe and promote Jesus is the creator with John 1.

God's WORD does indeed teach that JESUS is the God of creation. Not only in JOHN 1:1-4; 14. Let's look at the scriptures you left out of your previous post. Although we are getting side tracked a little it is ok because JESUS is the God of creation where he created the SABBATH for mankind that he is the LORD of and commands us to REMEMBER and KEEP HOLY as a celebration of creation and the creator *MARK 2:27-28. Let's look at the scriptures.

JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD AND THE GOD OF CREATION

JOHN 1:1-4; 10; 14
[1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.
[2], The same was in the beginning with God.
[3], ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.
[4], In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

[10], He was in the world, and THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM, and the world knew him not.
[14], And THE WORD BECAME FLESH [JESUS], and dwelled among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

HEBREWS 11:3 [3], Through faith we understand THAT THE WORLDS WERE FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

COLOSSIANS 1:14-20
[14], In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[15], Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16], FOR BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED THAT ARE IN HEAVEN AND EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17], And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[18], And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[19], For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
[20], And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things to himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

HEBREWS 1:2-3
[2], Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, BY WHOM HE MADE THE WORLDS;
[3], Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

HEBREWS 1:8-12
[8], BUT TO THE SON HE SAYS, YOUR THRONE. O' GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
[9], You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.
[10], AND YOU LORD IN THE BEGINNING HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS.

1 CORINTHIANS 8:6 [6], But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; AND ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST BY WHOM ARE ALL THINGS AND WE BY HIM.

HEBREWS 3:1-4
[1], Why, holy brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
[2], Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
[3], For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as HE WHO HAS BUILT THE HOUSE HAS MORE HONOR THEN THE HOUSE.
[4], For every house is built by some man; BUT HE THAT BUILT ALL THINGS IS GOD.

EPHESIANS 3:9 [9], And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST.

Some in the last days will not BELIEVE JESUS is the WORD of GOD and the Creator of HEAVEN and EARTH...

2 PETER 3:5-7
[5], For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[6], Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[7], But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved to fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2019

ace of hearts said:
The same John says very clearly the Creator is He Who sits on the throne in Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. The whole chapter centers on Who is on the throne. Verse 11 clearly says the One Who is on the throne is the creator. Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

The Lion of Judah is Jesus and He doesn't sit on the throne. In fact Jesus is seated at the right hand of Who sits on the throne.

Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Now who is making statements not backed by Scripture? And notice I didn't run away form your idea. I refuted it with Scripture.

INDEED the creator of HEAVEN and earth is JESUS whos throne is with God as shown through God's WORD.

HEBERWS 1:8
BUT TO THE SON HE SAYS, YOUR THRONE O' GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom

REVELATION 3:21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, EVEN AS I OVERCAME AND AM SET DOWN WITH MY FATHER IN HIS THRONE.

HEBREWS 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER when he had by himself purged our sins, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH:

HEBREWS 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2019

ace of hearts said:
I did respond to what you posted. I said you can't unring a bell. Anything that's spoken is forever no matter who spoke. Written words can be erased, thus annihilated. Your comparison and verse has nothing to do with the law. Neither do God's judgments you argue are the law. Judgments are based on fact or law. A judgement isn't codified law. Now least you say I didn't respond to your verse from Isaiah, let me say there's not a single word in the whole chapter about any law. Therefore your reference is out of context and it's limited meaning.

Hmm just looks like a bit of creative writing your side brother to argue against the scriptures provided earlier that you did not address. God's WORD says that GOD'S WORD is FOREVER *ISAIAH 40:8; LUKE 21:33 God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) were directly the Spoken WORD of GOD *EXODUS 20:8-11 which GOD's WORD says are FOREVER. Your response to God's WORD is "NO the are not" Who should we believe you or God's WORD? I know who I believe *ROMANS 3:4

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2019

ace of hearts said:
No, it's not the same law written on the heart. I illustrate this with Gen 26:5 you're fond of and the statement of Moses in Deut 5:3. Look them up. I supported the truth with unedited Scripture by reference. I also provided no commentary. You can't say that's my words against Scripture. But then you make Jeremiah a liar with your idea from Ecc 3:14. You have a very funny contradictory Bible.

JESUS says on these two commandments of LOVE (love to GOD and love to man) HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. Scripture is not the problem here brother it is simply your interpretation of the scripture you provide which has been already shown through the scriptures to be taken out of CONTEXT to suit your belief. Sorry brother but your claims of JEREMIAH is simply a false one and your teachings contradict God's WORD. God's WORD does not contradict itself. If you find your understanding of the scriptures contradicting the scriptures this should be a WARNING to you that you have an incorrect understanding of God's WORD that can lead you away from GOD. Only sent as a help in love brother.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2019

ace of hearts said:
So you make Jeremiah a false prophet. My position isn't the law is annihilated. My position backed by Jer 31:31-33 is the law would be set aside. The Gospels back that up with LK 16:16 and Jn 1:17 which you don't accept and try to dismiss by trying to use even consecutive verses against themselves.

Not at all. JEREMIAH 31:31-34 is in harmony with the scriptures provided you already. In fact it has been provided with you with many NEW COVENANT references in HEBREWS 8:10-12. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are the work and writing of GOD alone *EXODUS 32:26. This connect with *ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

While the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 was written by MOSES *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 that pointed to JESUS and GOD'S plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ. No more SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. The NEW COVENANT brings an and to all the SHADOW laws for SIN offerings and burnt offerings that pointed to JESUS as well as the ceremonial Sanctuary laws from the levitical Priesthood that all point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT.

God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) however has the same role in the NEW COVENANT that they always had and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT was how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2019

ace of hearts said:
So noted you said said sadly. Now explain what you think they said as proof you read them.

I said sadly in reference to your posts. All your posts have been addressed section by section and scripture by scripture showing the context you leave out of your interpretation of the scriptures. Sadly you ignore these posts and all the scriptures in them that disagree with you.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2019

ace of hearts said:
No I'm not arguing against Jeremiah. You refuse to believe verse 32.

Not at all. The NEW COVENANT is not the same as the old Covenant. No more animal sacricfices, sin offerings, ceremonial laws and Levitical Priesthood from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) have the same role they always had in the NEW COVENANT and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:30; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2019

ace of hearts said:
I didn't see anything discussing Jer 31:31-33.

Yep hard to see things when we do not want to especially if it disagrees with what you believe. The NEW COVENANT is not the same as the old Covenant. No more animal sacricfices, sin offerings, ceremonial laws and Levitical Priesthood from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) have the same role they always had in the NEW COVENANT and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:30; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172.

JEREMIAH 31:34 is in harmony with the scriptures provided you already. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are the work and writing of GOD alone *EXODUS 32:26. This connect with *ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

While the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 was written by MOSES *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 that pointed to JESUS and GOD'S plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ. No more SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. The NEW COVENANT brings an and to all the SHADOW laws for SIN offerings and burnt offerings that pointed to JESUS as well as the ceremonial Sanctuary laws from the levitical Priesthood that all point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT.

God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) however has the same role in the NEW COVENANT that they always had and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2019

ace of hearts said:
You really mean I'm not allowed to c&p Scripture proving my point? Why aren't you dealing with my support? That's exactly what you try to do with your Scripture references and quotes. You need to treat this forum as a discussion forum as it's intended instead of a preaching platform (bully pulpit).

Brother it is not me that does not want to discuss the scriptures in the posts provided to you. I am happy to do so. Sadly you ignore my posts and the scriptures provided in them that disagree with you and do not discuss them.

THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

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