Can we know who is saved?

Hoaur said:

Is posting a scripture against the forum rules?

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Well, you wouldn’t need to ask that question if you read the rules now would you?

We know that Christ has defeated death and that he hold the keys to eternal life, that is assurance indeed. What I dont know is if I'm going to be considered a friend of his when he judges my soul.
Perhaps I've left him and despised him when he came to me as a poor beggar, or when he was in jail, hungry and asked me for some bread.

I cannot trust myself enough to make the assumption that he will in fact call me righteous on the day of judgement.
I pray to Christ and to the holy spirit to give me the grace of repenting whenever I've fallen short so that I avoid being declared an enemy of God on that day, but I cannot go all Lutheran even though it certainly scratches my ear to fancy such theology.

I have a Protestant husband who is deeply anti-Catholic. I do the best I can to be a good wife, pray for him, pray for myself, and hang in there. Be thankful for what I got, and know. Be thankful that I'm not married to a Hindu.

I am noticing that, happily, more and more Protestant Christians are beginning to understand that salvation is a journey of faith and of works. I have noticed this on CF. Anglican, Lutheran, and non-denom Christians. It gives me hope.

The original article is actually really beautiful, and worth reading.

Something Christ says in Scripture is that when He is lifted up, He will draw all men to Himself. There are tonnes of Protestant Christians who do way better than I do.

Hoaur said:

Is posting a scripture against the forum rules?

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CF is a house with many rooms. This thread is in the One Bread, One Body - Catholic room. If you arrived view the front page, you may not have realised that.

The CF rules mean that you're not supposed to be arguing with the Catholics here, just as you shouldn't walk into a Catholic church building halfway through a service and start shouting at the priest.

Gracia Singh said:

I am noticing that, happily, more and more Protestant Christians are beginning to understand that salvation is a journey of faith and of works. I have noticed this on CF. Anglican, Lutheran, and non-denom Christians. It gives me hope.

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Purely for information purposes, this is the hard-line Reformed view of salvation. The view of justification presented is different from the Catholic one, but there's still a concept of a "journey" there:

Radagast said:

CF is a house with many rooms. This thread is in the One Bread, One Body - Catholic room. If you arrived view the front page, you may not have realised that.

The CF rules mean that you're not supposed to be arguing with the Catholics here, just as you shouldn't walk into a Catholic church building halfway through a service and start shouting at the priest.

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That still doesn’t answer the question is posting a scripture against forum rules?

Gracia Singh said:

I have a Protestant husband who is deeply anti-Catholic. I do the best I can to be a good wife, pray for him, pray for myself, and hang in there. Be thankful for what I got, and know. Be thankful that I'm not married to a Hindu.

I am noticing that, happily, more and more Protestant Christians are beginning to understand that salvation is a journey of faith and of works. I have noticed this on CF. Anglican, Lutheran, and non-denom Christians. It gives me hope.

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Lutherans believe salvation is through faith not works. If any believe differently they are not following church doctrine.

Hoaur said:

That still doesn’t answer the question is posting a scripture against forum rules?

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No, but the question itself is incomplete. It is not allowed to teach in a congregational safe haven. It does not matter how it is done.

So it is not about Scripture. It is about teaching where you are not allowed to and debating where you are not allowed to.

For instance, a Catholic cannot go into another Safe Haven and just say "John chapter 6" into a discussion about the Real Presence. It is not about Scripture, it is about teaching and debating. You don't get to do that.

Davidnic said:

For instance, a Catholic cannot go into another Safe Haven and just say "John chapter 6" into a discussion about the Real Presence. It is not about Scripture, it is about teaching and debating. You don't get to do that.

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So then simply posting scripture can be against the rules? That seems like an extreme rule for a Christian Forum.

Hoaur said:

So then simply posting scripture can be against the rules?

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Hiding behind it in an effort to teach and then trying to make it seem like other people are doing something wrong is a problem.

So this question has now been answered by a moderator and you've been given an extreme amount of leeway here so it could be explained to you because you are new. Don't post in this thread again.

Hiding behind Scripture in an effort to teach is not about Scripture it's about teaching and debating. So don't try to make it that we don't want Scripture posted. We don't want people debating and teaching in the safe havens no matter how they do it.

Interesting post. I guess to the thread starter, I'm an evangelical so I'll share my story. Almost 50 years ago I was a typical teen interested in cars/girls, no interest or thought in God. I was given a tract and invited to church to hear and evangelist. It was all new to me but made sense so I knelt at that altar and knew my life changed. I've had some pretty amazing answers to prayer which set my faith aflame. I know I am saved and on a journey in my walk of faith. I've met people along the way that I just sensed they were a believer and just inquired to find it was true. According to scripture if we around someone who calls themselves a christian and is sinning in particular ways we should not fellowship with them (1Cor.5). We should be aware of or faith to be light/salt to those around us. To have the fragrance of Christ. So I shouldn't have this assurance of faith and want to know where those stand around around me ? God bless.

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Hoaur said:

Is posting a scripture against the forum rules?

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The Scriptures are fine. Not the point though.

We love Scripture - so please post. We do believe that a person is initially saved by Grace alone - no works. But we don't stop there - we are just getting started!

Salvation is not a point in time and then done forever regardless of what one does. We must actually do as Jesus said and follow Him daily. I can't say the sinners prayer then party like it's 1999 my whole life - then I'm not following Him.

And I do prefer Scripture above all other sources. Therefore I find it very interesting that the only time in All of the Bible, God inspired someone to put the words Faith and Alone together - He also inspired them to put the word NOT in front of it - James 2:24 - "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."