My girlfriend is Jewish, and i'm Christian
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No. I meant what I said. She is a Christian. I am a Christian. I have complete faith in God and I know that Christ lives to take me when He comes. I know this.
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Sounds like the wisdom of man! There is no "risk" for any man or woman. Do you know that "God is love"? Matthew 5:43-48.
Psalm 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Psalm 65:2 O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 54:13 And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Psalm 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.
Enoch 10:15 And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because 16 they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore. ...21. And all the children of men shall become righteous, and all nations 22 shall offer adoration and shall praise Me, and all shall worship Me. And the earth shall be cleansed from all defilement, and from all sin, and from all punishment, and from all torment, and I will never again send (them) upon it from generation to generation and for ever.
John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.
Psalm 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Psalm 65:2 O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 54:13 And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Psalm 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.
Enoch 10:15 And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because 16 they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore. ...21. And all the children of men shall become righteous, and all nations 22 shall offer adoration and shall praise Me, and all shall worship Me. And the earth shall be cleansed from all defilement, and from all sin, and from all punishment, and from all torment, and I will never again send (them) upon it from generation to generation and for ever.
John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.
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And you are willing to place God into a box where he cannot provide you someone better - someone who is part of His plan instead of yours?
"All of the verses in the world are not going to change me." Feel sorry for the God of the universe who you are offending. The Scriptures are there for a specific reason. You are turning your back on them, and waving a fist at God through brazen disobedience.
God hates sin. He really does. God would rather you trust Him instead of trust yourself. What is happening is that your boyfriend has become your idol. You are placing Him before what God says. Carefully read the Word, because you are treading on deadly ground.
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Okay, John - correct me if I am wrong. Your position is a universalist one, and you think that all people will eventually be saved. Thus, it is okay if a believer and non-believer marry? Is this right?
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Scott, please read my post titled
Lost and Confused, Ready to give up ... I think you would benefit from reading it
Lost and Confused, Ready to give up ... I think you would benefit from reading it
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Why would anyone benefit from reading such a sad story? That is seriously sad. I am sorry that you aren't sure whether you want to be a Christian or not. What is anyone supposed to say to that? If anyone tries to tell you what Christ expects, you will think they are preaching at you. I feel like you are looking for people to agree with your sad state and make you feel more comfortable with that.
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I think those scriptures speak their own language loud and clear without human "spin" from the doctrine and commandments of men found in today's churches. What do you say about this?
Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one (Jesus Christ) judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one (Jesus Christ) the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
As for the "believer/unbeliever", Christian-Jew-Catholic, or whatever the "mix" may be, here is God through Peter, not Paul:
Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
Since some of you believe in following dead apostles rather than the living Spirit who leads us in all truth, do you really see any difference between what the Spirit told Peter and Paul's advice about a "mixed" religious marriage? Jesus CLEANED ALL HUMANITY FOR ALL GENERATIONS BY A SINGLE ACT ON CALVARY ... as his part of the agreement with His Father!
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
I do not have a hard time UNDERSTANDING and applying this part of Jesus' work to reality as most doctrinaire Christians do!
So all this "business" about "unclean children" is "knowing in part", plainly IGNORANCE of Jesus and what his work meant! While you debate among yourselves and proffer advice according to your perception of truth, underground4 has this decision to make for himself. He has plenty of advice in this string to mull over. The scriptures I present encompass the BIG PICTURE without leaving out pertinent Words that give "balance". The Word is a light along his path and God's thoughts and ways are perfectly expressed in them, Isaiah 55:7-10. I think this debate is TOO LONG! I will henceforth move on. Underground4 is not "hiding" as ladylove suggests, but he has much to think about and over which to commune with His Father. Leaning on mean and asking for our input is certainly NOT THE WAY!
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. 7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.
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Okay -good news. You are a universalist. This position has been rejected by the vast, vast majority of believers, preachers, theologians, and church fathers. You have yanked a bunch of Scriptures from their context and are using them quite incorrectly.
I will not debate you on universalism in this thread, for this is not the place. If you want to start a new thread, that is fine, but not here.
I will not debate you on universalism in this thread, for this is not the place. If you want to start a new thread, that is fine, but not here.
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Jacque:
I am honestly glad you chose to follow Christ. However, read the gospels - Jesus loves you in spite of your sin. He loves you too much to keep you that way. THe Bible says in II Corinthians 5:17 - "If anyone is in Christ, they are a new creation. All things have passed away, and look! All things will become new."
It is not that you and I are interpreting the Bible differently. There have been several things in this post you have admitted. You recognize that certain things about your life are sinful. You have admitted that God disapproves of things. You state that "all the verses in the world" will not change me.
Jesus Christ expects us to live a life that is holy and set apart. No amount of dickering with God changes that. I'm not being mean, and I'm not trying to get you to turn your back on your faith. What I am trying to get you to do is understand and confront conviction, instead of explaining it away and/or dismissing it. The Christian life is compared to a refiner's fire in the Bible. The goal of the Christian is to become as Christ-like as possible. God wants to slowly refine you to His likeness, which may not always be comfortable, but it is for His glory. Christianity is not for your glory; it is for His.
As wonderful as you think your life is now, Christ has an even better life planned for you, a life that can only be accomplished by following His Word and His Will.
I am honestly glad you chose to follow Christ. However, read the gospels - Jesus loves you in spite of your sin. He loves you too much to keep you that way. THe Bible says in II Corinthians 5:17 - "If anyone is in Christ, they are a new creation. All things have passed away, and look! All things will become new."
It is not that you and I are interpreting the Bible differently. There have been several things in this post you have admitted. You recognize that certain things about your life are sinful. You have admitted that God disapproves of things. You state that "all the verses in the world" will not change me.
Jesus Christ expects us to live a life that is holy and set apart. No amount of dickering with God changes that. I'm not being mean, and I'm not trying to get you to turn your back on your faith. What I am trying to get you to do is understand and confront conviction, instead of explaining it away and/or dismissing it. The Christian life is compared to a refiner's fire in the Bible. The goal of the Christian is to become as Christ-like as possible. God wants to slowly refine you to His likeness, which may not always be comfortable, but it is for His glory. Christianity is not for your glory; it is for His.
As wonderful as you think your life is now, Christ has an even better life planned for you, a life that can only be accomplished by following His Word and His Will.
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Today at 12:43 AM goodnewsinc said this in Post #90
I think those scriptures speak their own language loud and clear without human "spin" from the doctrine and commandments of men found in today's churches. What do you say about this?
Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one (Jesus Christ) judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one (Jesus Christ) the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
As for the "believer/unbeliever", Christian-Jew-Catholic, or whatever the "mix" may be, here is God through Peter, not Paul:
Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
Since some of you believe in following dead apostles rather than the living Spirit who leads us in all truth, do you really see any difference between what the Spirit told Peter and Paul's advice about a "mixed" religious marriage? Jesus CLEANED ALL HUMANITY FOR ALL GENERATIONS BY A SINGLE ACT ON CALVARY ... as his part of the agreement with His Father!
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
I do not have a hard time UNDERSTANDING and applying this part of Jesus' work to reality as most doctrinaire Christians do!
So all this "business" about "unclean children" is "knowing in part", plainly IGNORANCE of Jesus and what his work meant! While you debate among yourselves and proffer advice according to your perception of truth, underground4 has this decision to make for himself. He has plenty of advice in this string to mull over. The scriptures I present encompass the BIG PICTURE without leaving out pertinent Words that give "balance". The Word is a light along his path and God's thoughts and ways are perfectly expressed in them, Isaiah 55:7-10. I think this debate is TOO LONG! I will henceforth move on. Underground4 is not "hiding" as ladylove suggests, but he has much to think about and over which to commune with His Father. Leaning on mean and asking for our input is certainly NOT THE WAY!
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. 7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.
So just ignore the parts of the scriptures that speak of a damnation or destruction of some. What do you say to Jesus in Matthew when he says that those who saw him hungry and did not feed him etc. will be ******? That is one of MANY mentionings of negative judgement.
Why did the jews on pentecost ask what they needed to do to be saved? And, why did Peter answer them in a way that implies that their question was a good one? Why didn't Peter just say, "You are misunderstanding you silly Jews. You are already saved. You do not need to obey Christ to be saved, its just a nice thing to do." He did not say this because that was not true.
Hitler would be saved then. No matter how evil I am I would be saved?
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I would like to thank you all for your responses. ((especially GodOwnsMe, goodnewsinc, ladylove, ScottEmerson, Aaron11, Jedi, JacqueB, Taffsadar, Lotuspetal_uk)). It's nice to hear, not only peoples' advice, but also their life experiences. I've done a lot of research on this topic and listened to a lot of opinions.
Here's an assessment of my situation:
NO! It is not *wrong* for me to date this person. I don't even think that it would be *wrong* for me to marry this girl.
HOWEVER... like what someone on here has said, it would not be the *wisest* thing for me to do.
I know that I would be asking for a lot of troubles and heartache if I would persue this relationship. Plain and simple. No doubt about it. But would it be worth it? That's the million dollar question.
She's a very nice girl, caring, fun to talk to, BEAUTIFUL...
But... What is our relationship going to be built on? Certainly not Christ. Definitely not. Does it matter to me that we don't see each other through the same spiritual eyes? YES!!!!!!!!!
My initial stance was to persue the relationship, and if God wanted it to happen - it would work out. If He didn't want it to happen, we would eventually break up. But the earlier this mess gets resolved, the better. Dating/relationships is like PLAYING WITH FIRE! It's not a game, and I need to take it very seriously.
For all of you people in this situation, trust me. I know how you feel. Others who have never experienced this have no idea what it feels like.
I've been praying, and I'm going to KEEP praying until this gets worked out.
I'm still struggling.
Have a good day!
Here's an assessment of my situation:
NO! It is not *wrong* for me to date this person. I don't even think that it would be *wrong* for me to marry this girl.
HOWEVER... like what someone on here has said, it would not be the *wisest* thing for me to do.
I know that I would be asking for a lot of troubles and heartache if I would persue this relationship. Plain and simple. No doubt about it. But would it be worth it? That's the million dollar question.
She's a very nice girl, caring, fun to talk to, BEAUTIFUL...
But... What is our relationship going to be built on? Certainly not Christ. Definitely not. Does it matter to me that we don't see each other through the same spiritual eyes? YES!!!!!!!!!
My initial stance was to persue the relationship, and if God wanted it to happen - it would work out. If He didn't want it to happen, we would eventually break up. But the earlier this mess gets resolved, the better. Dating/relationships is like PLAYING WITH FIRE! It's not a game, and I need to take it very seriously.
For all of you people in this situation, trust me. I know how you feel. Others who have never experienced this have no idea what it feels like.
I've been praying, and I'm going to KEEP praying until this gets worked out.
I'm still struggling.
Have a good day!
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Well underground, you do understand the consequence and I am trying to save you from a lot of emotional pain. But God will not send a lightening bolt down from heaven to stop you. Do think long and hard before you marry a girl outside of the Christian faith -- as they say -- if you make your bed, you will lie in it.
Don't ignore the Scripture you initially quoted and continue to pray.
Don't ignore the Scripture you initially quoted and continue to pray.
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Underground,
What you have decided takes faith and dedication to Christ. I am inspired by your example. I will say a special prayer for you.
What you have decided takes faith and dedication to Christ. I am inspired by your example. I will say a special prayer for you.
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Keep the faith. Pursue God first and follow His commands, and he will give you the desires of your heart in ways you cannot even imagine just yet!
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If you think that this is going to be a long, lasting relationship, then by all means, stick with it. You both just have to understand that the other person has different religious views that you, and respect that. Niether one is necessarily wrong, just different.
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11th March 2003 at 01:19 AM goodnewsinc said this in Post #9
1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.
There is no reason to believe that this scripture shows an un-believer and believer seeking each other out for marriage. Since marraige is for life according to our Lord, Paul is saying that the person that has become a believer is obliged to stay with their un-believing spouse and if the un-believing spouse chooses to leave that is ok.
The Chrisitan calling did not dissolve the marriage but if the un-believer should desert the believer, the believer is not in bondage to them 1Cor.7:15.
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