International Feminism

Hieronymus said:

It's about the animosity between men and women, fueled by feminism.

They want us divided.

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A lot of the division first started because of the imbalance with a male-dominated society. Feminism did not cause the division, it was already an issue.

mindlight said:

But Christian women who think it is alright to have an abortion or break a marriage in favour of an affair are really not reading the same bible as I am.

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There are a lot of men, whether they label themselves Christian or not, who try to talk women into getting an abortion if they end up pregnant. I'm not sure why women are mainly the reason for divorce in this thread either? A lot of families are abandoned by the men who suddenly want something new or younger women. I see this happen quite a bit.

mindlight said:

Toxic femininity: ‘Badass’ US women demand right to torture and kill for Empire… just like men

The Women's March has twisted feminism into toxic femininity

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Perhaps this statement from the first article is key: This is most glaringly apparent when this new feminism boldly embraces the worst traits of the patriarchy in the form of militarism and empire.

This isn't feminism or toxic femininity (whatever that is) but yet again showing effects of toxic masculinity and patriarchy. Obviously, these two articles are from what appear to be extreme right-wing propaganda/conspiracy sites, but it's glaringly obvious per the above quote that again, the primary issue is with the evils of patriarchy and the toxic way it poisons both men and women, and not with women attempting to correct a severe imbalance and being recognized as human beings vs. lesser beings.

Hieronymus said:

I don't necessarily mean you, but the feminist movement thing. You see what happens, and i think Phil could be anm example of what is happening.

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Mine is not a reaction to the increased poison of toxic feminism in recent days, in case this is what you're implying. I have always known toxic feminism to be wrong, just as injustice is wrong, just as rebellion is wrong. Toxic feminism seeks to place women where they don't belong (i.e. in roles reserved for men). Injustice seeks to place the weak in positions where they don't belong. Rebellion seeks to place traitors and outlaws where they don't belong (i.e. in the positions of kings and leaders).

Just as Satan coveted God's throne in Heaven, but was cast down, he in turn has caused wicked men to overthrow the rightful kings and rulers of many kingdoms on Earth, and wives to overthrow the rightful place of their husbands (e.g. through no-fault divorce, abortion). Turmoil is what results. But instead of repenting of the turmoil they have caused, the people simply crave more of the poison which caused it. Jesus warned that such things would happen before the end. These things are simply fulfilment of His words.

This is also the reason I don't use softer words. Toxic feminism has done untold damage to millions, if not billions, in Western civilisation. Why should I make out that it is a mild sin?

Phil.Stein said:

Mine is not a reaction to the increased poison of toxic feminism in recent days,

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Well, i don't think it's just recent days, but rather recent decades.
It's true that in recent days it has become worse though, but there have been waves of 'overshoot' in the past too.
This brings forth an opposite reaction from the other side, which is exactly what the plan behind it all is, in my ever so humble opinion..

Hieronymus said:

Well, i don't think it's just recent days, but rather recent decades.
It's true that in recent days it has become worse though, but there have been waves of 'overshoot' in the past too.
This brings forth an opposite reaction from the other side, which is exactly what the plan behind it all is, in my ever so humble opinion..

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I agree. Which is why I refuse to join the dupes who believe there is something toxic about femininity (it's not toxic, it's lovely), and maintain that it is toxic feminism which is the cancer which must be removed, at least partially, if the host has any hope of extending its life. (Just a point, but toxic feminism is really just injustice, but I point it out specifically from injustice, as many people understand the evils of injustice, but seem to believe that toxic feminism should get diplomatic immunity from the same rules simply by flashing its card).

Replying to the rest of your post:

Phil.Stein said:

Toxic feminism seeks to place women where they don't belong (i.e. in roles reserved for men). Injustice seeks to place the weak in positions where they don't belong. Rebellion seeks to place traitors and outlaws where they don't belong (i.e. in the positions of kings and leaders).

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Well, i look at it this way:
Everyone should be free to choose what they want to do with their lives.
So this ALSO means it shouldn't be discouraged or looked down upon when someone chooses what's natural, namely raise a family with 2 parents, where the woman is there for the home and the children while the man is the provider.
So the ridiculous notion that being a mother at home is a worthless goal / purpose in life, (which is a well known part of the feminist narrative (and possibly rather appeals to plain old penis envy)) ought to be let go and denounced, because it compromises the freedom of choice.
Peer pressure does that.

Just as Satan coveted God's throne in Heaven, but was cast down, he in turn has caused wicked men to overthrow the rightful kings and rulers of many kingdoms on Earth, and wives to overthrow the rightful place of their husbands (e.g. through no-fault divorce, abortion). Turmoil is what results.

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Yeah, it's the tempting fruit of the tree of "Do what thou willt is the whole of the law", isn't it...
And not only that, there are representatives of the serpent suggesting what your will should be.
Our will should be anything that opposes God's intentions...
Pop culture. Where the 'heroes' are overdose died, demon possessed role models of wickedness..
And it's just not fair i.m.o.
Look what it does to us.

But instead of repenting of the turmoil they have caused, the people simply crave more of the poison which caused it. Jesus warned that such things would happen before the end. These things are simply fulfilment of His words.

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'fraid so...

This is also the reason I don't use softer words. Toxic feminism has done untold damage to millions, if not billions, in Western civilisation. Why should I make out that it is a mild sin?

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Well, i think it's just one of the things the adversary and his cronies have bestowed upon our formerly Christian culture.
And that's what i have a problem with.
It's not fair.
People are mislead on purpose and on a very large scale, relentlessly.
The Door is already hard enough to find without all this modern day insanity.
The Path is already narrow enough without all this modern day insanity.
People are already divided enough without all this modern day insanity.

Let me say this to the women out here:
The people from who i have received the most love and care in my life are:
my mother
my grandmother

A mother is a child's first true love.

The problem with all of this is we no longer live in a society where thought and reason are prevalent. If you express sympathy for someone’s suffering it’s not enough. Moving to empathy rarely satisfies.

It is not enough to recognize an injustice if you fail to see it from their perspective and won’t take action. Your response must meet their approval and include continued arguments and opposition to anyone who believes differently.

When empathy breeds slavery there can be no agreement. While I recognize there are grievous wrongs in the world, I won’t become a doppelganger or automaton to appease the injured.

Hieronymus said:

And that's what i have a problem with.
It's not fair.
People are mislead on purpose and on a very large scale, relentlessly.
The Door is already hard enough to find without all this modern day insanity.
The Path is already narrow enough without all this modern day insanity.
People are already divided enough without all this modern day insanity.

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It's not non-consensual. The devil is the great deceiver, but men love darkness rather than light. If they loved the light, God would give them that which they seek ("seek and you will find"), but they love darkness rather than the light.

"Romans 1:20-32 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

Phil.Stein said:

It's not non-consensual.

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This is true.
But it's still because of misleading entities in the world.
I mean, i was no better, i was a worldy guy following the flesh too, and my religious views were also far from Christian.
But yet i was someone who, compared to most people, made up my own mind about things. ...or at least, that's what i thought...
But i was never a 'normie'.

For me to go out and seek actual Truth, my whole life had to collapse on me first, leaving me broken and in total doubt of everything i believed to be true.
My life is still a shambles, to be honest...
One could say i'm a "loser".
But i probably need that to humble me, which is a challenge.

Point is, as i said in other words, humans don't need the adversary to be lost, wrong and wicked.
We're very capable of that on our own.
And we know this in our hearts too.
What bugs me is that we're taught there are no sins and that sins make you happy, and things like that.

Religious people are often out to seek miracles and acts of God.
I think it's a miracle that some people still end up acknowledging God and putting their trust in Him, in this brainwashing world of ungodliness.

None the less, Romans 1 is quite clear..
But i think it has gone too far in our modern day and age.
It's not fair anymore i.m.o.

Hieronymus said:

Point is, as i said in other words, humans don't need the adversary to be lost, wrong and wicked.
We're very capable of that on our own.
And we know this in our hearts too.
What bugs me is that we're taught there are no sins and that sins make you happy, and things like that.

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True. I have always said we lean with the perspective that is greatest. If you really want to do something and that area isn't surrendered to God you'll probably do it. We're not that complicated. We just think we are.

And some behaviors are enjoyable even though they're sinful. These are usually the hardest to break.

It's not fair anymore i.m.o.

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What isn't fair?

The hatred and disdain for women expressed in this thread is anti-Christ.

bekkilyn said:

The hatred and disdain for women expressed in this thread is anti-Christ.

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I could say:
"Kneejerk reaction without anything to back it up.
Cognitive dissonance of a brainwashed sheep."

But maybe you are willing to reflect and weigh and try again so we could actually discuss it.

LaBèlla said:

What isn't fair?

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That people have no access anymore to sound teachings.

Hieronymus said:

That people have no access anymore to sound teachings.

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Yes they do. They're not interested.

Some people are looking for God. They turn to religion or pursue spirituality instead. Others don't think of God. That may be due to unbelief, skepticism, disinterest, or other priorities. And some don't care.

Hieronymus said:

I could say:
"Kneejerk reaction without anything to back it up.
Cognitive dissonance of a brainwashed sheep."

But maybe you are willing to reflect and weigh and try again so we could actually discuss it.

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It's obvious that you have no interest in having a discussion, but seek only to condemn and find reinforcement from others who also seek to condemn.

No wonder unbelievers typically know we are Christians by our hate, and I only pray that they are able to find and get to know Christ in spite of all the institutionalized Christian hatred they must wade through to get there.

bekkilyn said:

No wonder unbelievers typically know we are Christians by our hate, and I only pray that they are able to find and get to know Christ in spite of all the institutionalized Christian hatred they must wade through to get there.

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May I ask a question? Do you feel the same outrage for other subjects or only regarding feminism? And have you stated the same elsewhere on the site?

bekkilyn said:

It's obvious that you have no interest in having a discussion, but seek only to condemn and find reinforcement from others who also seek to condemn.

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Uhm, maybe look at what you wrote yourself perhaps...
I replied in the same manner.
So it's clear we both don't like that sort of tone.
Good.

No wonder unbelievers typically know we are Christians by our hate, and I only pray that they are able to find and get to know Christ in spite of all the institutionalized Christian hatred they must wade through to get there.

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You speak with hate here.
And still nothing to back up your judgement...