No Animals, thus no Evolution, When God First Created Adam; Animals were added Later

Brotherly Spirit · Jan 18, 2019

StevenMerten said:
Hello Brotherly Spirit,
So you are thinking it is only God's Child, Jesus Christ, who broke all of sciences rules, and not God the Father Himself, at Creation? Jesus did not, as you call it "when interacting with us He's within it", in regards to obeying the rules of science and nature. Jesus healed the sick, cured the lame, stopped the raging seas, turned water into wine, fed thousands of people with a couple fish and a few loaves of bread, and even raised the dead! Or maybe you question whether Jesus really could have acted outside the laws of physical nature, as scripture, and most Christians believe He did?

To show His compassion and Power, Jesus often turned to God's Almighty Power, on earth, in His relationship with His followers. I think God the Father did the same thing with His precious, love for God capable, intelligent and conscious of the tremendous Power God was using for him and his descendants, first man Adam. If God wanted to simply pull animals out of the ground and into existence, to show Adam how much He loved Him, why would God hold back on that? It is modern day atheist scientists, who get upset when they hear about our Omnipotent God's Power, and say that it is not fair for God to do such a thing.

God Created man to have a relationship with man. God used His tremendous Power, to help and please man, whom He had Created. Why do we want to pull this beautiful interaction between God and Adam out of the Bible, in order to please atheist scientists? We must thank God for His loving gift of our man and wife relationships. And our dogs and cats.

Genesis 2:15
The LORD God then took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden, to cultivate and care for it. The LORD God gave the man this order: You are free to eat from any of the trees of the garden except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. From that tree you shall not eat; when you eat from it you shall die.

The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man.

So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:

“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”

I don't know if necessarily any of the signs and wonders broke science. We don't know the methodology behind God's power. I just think if He created the universe and world which have laws governing it, wouldn't there be a purpose for it? Why would God violate His own laws set for the universe and the world, including nature? Those laws must of had a purpose which He intended, as the Creator couldn't His will be done by and within those laws?

Rather not have it be us versus them, I'm not convinced religion and science are contradictory. Least not our God and His creation, what's discovered of the universe and world is having Him revealed to us. It's about the truth, whether evolution did happen (objective scientific evidence); not atheistism.

I agree about the relationship between God and man. I'm not as a Christian putting it aside as if it means nothing. Through the whole Bible it's God seeking to have a relationship with man, have His own people who know Him and revere Him. Yes, we should be thankful for everything God has gave and done. (I try my best to be Biblical, but also if it seems necessary I'll reconcile scriptures to make common sense of it not having contradictions.)

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greenguzzi · Jan 19, 2019

StevenMerten said:
Do you have proof that Animals lived hundreds of millions of years ago, rather than a record of fossils

The record of fossils IS the proof.

StevenMerten said:
Do you have proof that God lied about creating animals after He Created Adam?

Genesis isn't a history book, and it isn't a science book. We don't call C. S. Lewis a liar because "The Screwtape Letters" isn't factual, even though it has a lot of truth in it. Something can be true but not factual.
Genesis is not factual, but it does contain truth. God didn't lie, Genesis isn't literal.

StevenMerten said:
a record of fossils was created in our past, by God

Ah, so now you are saying that God is a deceiver! Do you have proof that God lied by providing false evidence for us to find? No, I didn't think so.

StevenMerten · Jan 20, 2019

Brotherly Spirit said:
I don't know if necessarily any of the signs and wonders broke science. We don't know the methodology behind God's power. I just think if He created the universe and world which have laws governing it, wouldn't there be a purpose for it? Why would God violate His own laws set for the universe and the world, including nature? Those laws must of had a purpose which He intended, as the Creator couldn't His will be done by and within those laws?

Hello Brotherly Spirit,
Why did Jesus break the laws of science and nature, when He preformed miracles?

Scripture indicates that, upon Jesus' first miracle on earth, this is the beginning of His ministry as our Messiah. Before Jesus' first miracle, He was seen as just another ordinary man. After Jesus preformed His first miracle, Jesus was seen as God incarnate and God's Messiah here, on earth, for man's salvation.

John 2:11
Jesus did this as the beginning of his signs in Cana in Galilee and so revealed his glory, and his disciples began to believe in him.

Miracles, signs and wonders, were how Jesus introduced Himself as God incarnate, so that people, including us today, would believe in Him, as God incarnate, here to save their souls. I believe God preforms miracles, signs and wonders, on earth, since the beginning of time, to show man that He is God.

In God's relationship with man, upon the Creation of Adam, God decided that Adam/man needed a help mate. God's miracles, of bringing animals out of the ground, and woman from Adam's rib, was a good opportunity for God to introduce Himself, as God, to Adam and Adam's descendants, in order that, Adam and his descendants, would believe in Him, as God.

John 2:1 The Wedding at Cana.

On the third day there was a wedding in Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus and his disciples were also invited to the wedding. When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” [And] Jesus said to her, “Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servers, “Do whatever he tells you.” Now there were six stone water jars there for Jewish ceremonial washings, each holding twenty to thirty gallons. Jesus told them, “Fill the jars with water.” So they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, “Draw some out now and take it to the headwaiter.” So they took it. And when the headwaiter tasted the water that had become wine, without knowing where it came from (although the servers who had drawn the water knew), the headwaiter called the bridegroom and said to him, “Everyone serves good wine first, and then when people have drunk freely, an inferior one; but you have kept the good wine until now.” Jesus did this as the beginning of his signs in Cana in Galilee and so revealed his glory, and his disciples began to believe in him.

Brotherly Spirit · Jan 21, 2019

Jesus' authority and power are from God through the Holy Spirit. Just as I don't know the methodology behind God's power, I can't certainly believe Jesus violated the laws of the universe and nature. I one hundred percent agree he performed miracles, signs and wonders. But it's possible God's spirit is capable of working within our reality in a way we can't understand.

An example is modern use of electricity to power everything from houses to computers, before this knowledge and understanding people would believe this power was unnatural or absolutely supernatural and separate from nature. Only in the sky above would they see something similar in the form of lightning. Is it possible for God to cast lightning from the sky to strike the ground or destroy a city, yes! But does that make lightning which is something natural to this world supernatural itself, no I don't believe so.

It's only my understanding as the best I can with what I know. Not something I expect you to believe, scriptures doesn't specifically detail how God's power functions. Much of what's there can be interpreted having different contexts and understandings. Personally what I see in the Bible is God revealing Himself in His creation, through man (the Prophets/Christ) to animals (sheep/goats) to ritual and traditions (burnt offering of animals/Passover and Sabbath of people). In my mind it's possible and probable God has and does reveal Himself through nature for miracles, signs and wonders. Genesis has the creation of day and night, He put in the Heavens the sun, the moon and the stars; which He said were for signs. (Genesis 1:14-19)

StevenMerten · Jan 21, 2019

Brotherly Spirit said:
An example is modern use of electricity to power everything from houses to computers, before this knowledge and understanding people would believe this power was unnatural or absolutely supernatural and separate from nature. Only in the sky above would they see something similar in the form of lightning. Is it possible for God to cast lightning from the sky to strike the ground or destroy a city, yes! But does that make lightning which is something natural to this world supernatural itself, no I don't believe so.

Hello Brotherly Spirit,
This is the big dividing line between atheist scientists and Christians who believe in God as our Creator and Creator of everything that exists.

Do you believe that our Omnipotent God Created all that exists from nothing? No empty space, no matter, no energy, no dark matter, no dark energy, no corks, no strings, no physical world, absolutely nothing physical, not even the physical realm, existed before God's Creation of all that exists, do you agree?

Brotherly Spirit · Jan 22, 2019

StevenMerten said:
Hello Brotherly Spirit,
This is the big dividing line between atheist scientists and Christians who believe in God as our Creator and Creator of everything that exists.

Do you believe that our Omnipotent God Created all that exists from nothing? No empty space, no matter, no energy, no dark matter, no dark energy, no corks, no strings, no physical world, absolutely nothing physical, not even the physical realm, existed before God's Creation of all that exists, do you agree?

I believe God is our Creator had created the heavens and the earth. Also all that's in the heavens and on the earth. I'm not a scientist or was there when it was all created, I don't know how God actually created everything. The best I can honestly and truthfully say with little speculation and assumption is I believe there's a God and his creation. Science is the discovery of what's there, the knowledge and understanding the details of His creation. If scientific discovery factually equates to evolution and God is our Creator, seems to me both are related and not opposed.

Queller · Jan 25, 2019

StevenMerten said:
Hello Brotherly Spirit,
So you are thinking it is only God's Child, Jesus Christ, who broke all of sciences rules, and not God the Father Himself, at Creation? Jesus did not, as you call it "when interacting with us He's within it", in regards to obeying the rules of science and nature. Jesus healed the sick, cured the lame, stopped the raging seas, turned water into wine, fed thousands of people with a couple fish and a few loaves of bread, and even raised the dead! Or maybe you question whether Jesus really could have acted outside the laws of physical nature, as scripture, and most Christians believe He did?

To show His compassion and Power, Jesus often turned to God's Almighty Power, on earth, in His relationship with His followers. I think God the Father did the same thing with His precious, love for God capable, intelligent and conscious of the tremendous Power God was using for him and his descendants, first man Adam. If God wanted to simply pull animals out of the ground and into existence, to show Adam how much He loved Him, why would God hold back on that? It is modern day atheist scientists, who get upset when they hear about our Omnipotent God's Power, and say that it is not fair for God to do such a thing.

God Created man to have a relationship with man. God used His tremendous Power, to help and please man, whom He had Created. Why do we want to pull this beautiful interaction between God and Adam out of the Bible, in order to please atheist scientists? We must thank God for His loving gift of our man and wife relationships. And our dogs and cats.

Genesis 2:15
The LORD God then took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden, to cultivate and care for it. The LORD God gave the man this order: You are free to eat from any of the trees of the garden except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. From that tree you shall not eat; when you eat from it you shall die.

The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man.

So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:

“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”

And yet Genesis 1 clearly states that all the land-dwelling animals were created before Adam.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Your attempt at interpreting Genesis 2 is... unusual to say the least. It does however demonstrate the folly of trying to force a literal interpretation of the narrative on a text that does not support it.

Hieronymus · Jan 25, 2019

StevenMerten said:
Genesis 1:20 The Fifth Day of Creation
Then God said: Let the water teem with an abundance of living creatures, and on the earth let birds fly beneath the dome of the sky. God created the great sea monsters and all kinds of crawling living creatures with which the water teems, and all kinds of winged birds. God saw that it was good, and God blessed them, saying: Be fertile, multiply, and fill the water of the seas; and let the birds multiply on the earth.

Evening came, and morning followed—the fifth day.

God Exists outside of the physical time, and the physical world, which He Created. God is Omni-Present to the whole of physical time, of Creation, which He Created. God can, and likely did, go back in physical time to adjust Creation. God likely even added the Fifth Day of Creation.

Then why the emphasis on the sequence of the days in creation week?

Did you ever wonder why plant life was created on Day Three of Creation, but animal life was Created on Day Five of Creation? Animals on earth, including dinosaurs, were an after thought, in God's thought, 'It is not good for the man to be alone', which happened only after Adam was already made. God only thought of introducing animals on earth, after Adam was already Created, on the Sixth Day of Creation. God went back to Creation Day Five, or, highly likely, added Creation Day Five, and re-Created the past of the universe, with animals, in it. God also Re-Created man as man and woman.

That's a lot of speculation.
But i think you're referring to Genesis 2 where God makes the Garden and creates animals before Adam.
Yes, that seems to contradict Genesis 1.
But it could work, depending on how you fit the pieces together.
It seems to me that Genesis 2 is a more detailed account of the 6th day.
The Garden being a special creation besides the rest of the world.
One could come up with many theories to explain the apparent contradiction away.
Because in all, there's not much information to go by.
Maybe God created the female animals in the garden, seeing as there was no woman yet either.
I don't know.
The main message i.m.o. is that God made man in his image, as God's representative among living nature.
Genesis 3 and the Nachash (shining one, serpent) is very important to the story too.

StevenMerten · Jan 26, 2019

Hieronymus said:
Then why the emphasis on the sequence of the days in creation week?That's a lot of speculation.
But i think you're referring to Genesis 2 where God makes the Garden and creates animals before Adam.
Yes, that seems to contradict Genesis 1.
But it could work, depending on how you fit the pieces together.
It seems to me that Genesis 2 is a more detailed account of the 6th day.
The Garden being a special creation besides the rest of the world.
One could come up with many theories to explain the apparent contradiction away.
Because in all, there's not much information to go by.
Maybe God created the female animals in the garden, seeing as there was no woman yet either.
I don't know.
The main message i.m.o. is that God made man in his image, as God's representative among living nature.
Genesis 3 and the Nachash (shining one, serpent) is very important to the story too.

The Strange Link
between the Human Mind and Quantum Physics
by Philip Ball, 16 February 2017

"(John) Wheeler even entertained the thought that the presence of living beings, which are capable of "noticing", has transformed what was previously a multitude of possible quantum pasts into one concrete history. In this sense, Wheeler said, we become participants in the evolution of the Universe since its very beginning. In his words, we live in a "participatory universe."
The strange link between the human mind and quantum physics

Hello Hieronymus,
Sometimes I think Christianity gives God far less, or even no leeway to work, while worldly science seem to have opened the door up wide, for God and Adam to select from a multitude of possible quantum pasts. Science allows for man to participate in the creation of the universe, "we become participants in the evolution of the Universe since its very beginning". Christianity, well I am having a hard sell to convince my fellow Christians that, why not let Adam and God redecorate the place, as a team. God wanted a relationship with man. Well a big part of relationships is learning how to work together. Why not have Adam move in, and then God and man can tweak the place to everyone's comfort level.

'Hum, Man seems to be lonely. I will create animals out of the ground for Adam. Hum. None of the animals seem to be a suited helper for man. I will make woman as a gift for man. Man does dearly like the husband and wife relationship, and the family that comes with it, he received as a gift from God.

God and Adam working things out, as a family, to make Creation a better fit, is a very sentimental part of the Creation story. If God wants to throw some miracles around and give man some gifts, I think this is a very wonderful and loving thing for God to do for man. I see it as a more perfect, relationship orientated, Creation, in God doing it this way.

Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man. So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.

The LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:

“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”

Hieronymus · Jan 26, 2019

StevenMerten said:
The Strange Link
between the Human Mind and Quantum Physics
by Philip Ball, 16 February 2017

"(John) Wheeler even entertained the thought that the presence of living beings, which are capable of "noticing", has transformed what was previously a multitude of possible quantum pasts into one concrete history. In this sense, Wheeler said, we become participants in the evolution of the Universe since its very beginning. In his words, we live in a "participatory universe."
The strange link between the human mind and quantum physics

Hello Hieronymus,
Sometimes I think Christianity gives God far less, or even no leeway to work, while worldly science seem to have opened the door up wide, for God and Adam to select from a multitude of possible quantum pasts. Science allows for man to participate in the creation of the universe, "we become participants in the evolution of the Universe since its very beginning". Christianity, well I am having a hard sell to convince my fellow Christians that, why not let Adam and God redecorate the place, as a team. God wanted a relationship with man. Well a big part of relationships is learning how to work together. Why not have Adam move in, and then God and man can tweak the place to everyone's comfort level.

'Hum, Man seems to be lonely. I will create animals out of the ground for Adam. Hum. None of the animals seem to be a suited helper for man. I will make woman as a gift for man. Man does dearly like the husband and wife relationship, and the family that comes with it, he received as a gift from God.

God and Adam working things out, as a family, to make Creation a better fit, is a very sentimental part of the Creation story. If God wants to throw some miracles around and give man some gifts, I think this is a very wonderful and loving thing for God to do for man. I see it as a more perfect, relationship orientated, Creation, in God doing it this way.

Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man. So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.

The LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:

“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”

The whole quantum mind over matter story is quite ambiguous.
It's where New Age meets science though, which some people would advocate and promote.
But the whole idea is based on the double slit experiment, which is actully rather debunked...
But i' ll have to dig through the web to find links to provide evidence..
There are some youtube videos though, which explain what's wrong with the double slit experiment and the conclusion that photons can switch from being a particle to being a wave, depending on whether there's an 'observer' or not.

StevenMerten · Jan 26, 2019

Hieronymus said:
The whole quantum mind over matter story is quite ambiguous.
It's where New Age meets science though, which some people would advocate and promote.
But the whole idea is based on the double slit experiment, which is actully rather debunked...
But i' ll have to dig through the web to find links to provide evidence..
There are some youtube videos though, which explain what's wrong with the double slit experiment and the conclusion that photons can switch from being a particle to being a wave, depending on whether there's an 'observer' or not.

Hello Hieronymus,
The battle over the understanding of the partial, which is a wave, until man looks at it, has been with us since the start when science first delved into the quantum world. You want to study the big conflicting debate between Albert Einstein and Neils Bohr, on the issue.

Albert Einstein seems to have fist came up with the quantum theory. Einstein, however, seems to have let denial hold him back, where Neils Bohr did not. Einstein stated, "I would like to think the moon was there, even when I wasn't looking at it!", and "God does not throw dice!". Einstein, like most people on earth, desperately want to think of everything in existence, and especially including, the past, all the way back to the big bang, is solid. That is not what the data was indicating. Thus Albert Einstein routinely stated, "God does not throw dice!", as kind of a denial shield.

Quantum science, from its inception, at the subatomic particle level, shows that a particle is not a particle, but instead a wave of possibilities, which physically exist and bump into one another, until man looks at them, and then, and only then, do they become particles, to form into everything physical in the universe, including a past. Thus the discussion of 'reality', goes on.

Now, after 100 years of thinking, experimenting and discoveries, the Neils Bohr side seems to be winning the battle.

But let us discuss.

StevenMerten · Jan 28, 2019

Creationism vs Atheism
Niels Bohr vs Albert Einstein
What is Reality?

Albert Einstein (Determinism) says,

"God does not throw dice!"

Neils Bohr (Chance) replies,

"Nor is it our business to prescribe to God how He should run the world."

When Albert Einstein says, 'God does not throw dice!', he is not really talking about God, but determinism. Obviously, if Quantum Mechanics sees everything in the quantum world, (subatomic particles), as 'chance', 'weird', 'in determinant', yet we get high precision at our macro level of the world we observe, this is because God is controlling everything, at the Quantum level, every millisecond of the day. It is not by 'chance' that the world is the way that it is; It is God actively making the world the way that it is, every millisecond of the day.

Atheist scientists want a world/reality that started 13.8 billion years ago and has been evolving on its own, without God, ever since. Anyone studying the quantum level, (actions of subatomic particles), understands that this is not the case. Scientists might say 'the universe decides', rather than God decides, but they can see that everything, at the quantum level is indeterminant and chancy, and not on auto-pilot.

Quantum Theory, 'Universe is run on chance', 'nothing is certain' 'indeterminism' both Neils Bohr and Albert Einstein agree on this. Einstein could not accept Quantum Theory, that Nature was uncertain; 'there must be a deeper theory, he thought. 'Nature not deterministic' 'Things occur for no reason'. Einstein wanted well defined causes, yet the quantum world is proven to be 'random' 'uncertain'. Quantum Theory does not make sense but it works, and it works well. Quantum Theory, Reality at the quantum level, is mysterious and makes no sense, no definite speeds or positions, wavy, chancy; but Reality at our level of reality, at the macro level, which is the reality level we experience in this world, is precise and orderly. Einstein died opposing Quantum Theory, which he accepted as the weird, crazy, indeterminate, way the world works.

Neils Bohr, though he probably would have never admitted it, saw the creationist side of how the world works. No, universe/reality without, conscious man (Adam), to observe it. God controlling everything, through 'chance', every millisecond of the day, at the quantum level.

Please watch these videos and let us discuss.

StevenMerten · Feb 1, 2019

Has everyone visited my thread?
Creationism = Quantum Mechanics = Neils Bohr VS. Albert Einstein = Realism = Atheism ?

When science first delved down to the subatomic level, they basically found God. Subatomic particles/miracles from God, alternate from being a particle when man is looking at them, to being a non-particle, fuzzy wave of all possibilities, at any location. Subatomic particles know the future, as to whether man is going to look at them, or not going to look at them, and thus act as particle or non-particle, miracle from God, accorddingly.

Basically man's observable reality is really more like television channels with God holding the remote control. Jesus' miracles were simply a different channel being selected by God, different from the miracle/channel we observe on a daily regular basis. Understand the real scientifically proven, miraculous, way subatomic particles actually behave, could go a long way with your Flat Earth Creation Theory.

Adam was already Created and living in the Garden of Eden, when God and man, working as a family, made the decision to now have animals, and then woman, on earth. It would seem, God, who exists outside of physical time, which all of Creation is bound to physical time, went back in physical time's past, and then brought animals into existence on the fifth day. Adam observed a past without animals, indicates that the new alternate past, with animals in it, which God now selects, after Adam was already made, and the universe observed, and a past already locked into place, is not the, past reality, which actually happened.

According to the, scientifically proven, Laws of Nature, it is the past which is observed by a conscious observer, Adam, which locks into place, all the way back to the beginning of Creation, which is selected, out of all other possibilities of pasts. So, according to the scientifically proven, Laws of Nature, we presently have a new reality, with animal bones going all the way back to dinosaurs, which is an alternate to the original past, which was selected after Adam observed and locked in place, at that time. So our new, present day past to Day One of Creation, never actually never existed.

The Strange Link
between the Human Mind and Quantum Physics
by Philip Ball, 16 February 2017

"(John) Wheeler even entertained the thought that the presence of living beings, which are capable of "noticing", has transformed what was previously a multitude of possible quantum pasts into one concrete history. In this sense, Wheeler said, we become participants in the evolution of the Universe since its very beginning. In his words, we live in a "participatory universe."
The strange link between the human mind and quantum physics

Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man. So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.

The LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:

“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”

d taylor · Mar 21, 2019

There is as much proof that fossil are millions of years old as there is proof that the earth is a rotating/moving ball of water.
Which is zero in both cases

d taylor · Mar 21, 2019

ProfessorManque said:
So we have how many, perhaps a few 100 000 paleontologists, some of the brightest most educated people on earth, producing research on fossils all over the world for many many years... and then we have you presuming to simply dismiss that mountain of evidence as "zero" evidence!

There are also 1.5 billion Muslims, who believe there religion will get them to heaven.
Large masses of numbers mean nothing when they go against the Bible and its given creation account.

Brightmoon · Apr 11, 2019

I’m Christian but I’ve never believed that Genesis story to be other than poetic license. Humans and other land vertebrates are actually classified as Sarcopterygians ( lobefinned fish ) . Which I’m fine with.

Radrook · May 15, 2019

Genesis is clear on the order of sequence of events.

Radrook · May 15, 2019

d taylor said:
The creation is heaven and earth no where in the Bible (or Genesis) is it stated God created a universe. Heaven does not equal sciences universe.

Dinosaurs are more than likely connected to the nephelium and the flood and not part of God's animal creation in Genesis 1.
So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

Why would God have the sabbath as a day of rest. if that day did not actual mean an actual day. Did God rest for millions of years. or does the Bible state that God rested on the 7th day. And a actual day is observed for the sabbath the last day of the week.

Also more than likely since we are not using Gods time piece, He created in the sky and instead we are using sciences created system for time. Our time keeping is not true and the actual new year could be at the end of September.

The Apostle paul speaks of God's rest day still in progress during the first century Common Era.

Heb 4: 11
For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience

Hebrews 3:18
And to whom did He swear that they would never enter His rest? Was it not to those who disobeyed?

Hebrews 4:6
Since, then, it remains for some to enter His rest, and since those who formerly heard the good news did not enter because of their disobedience,

StevenMerten · Jun 3, 2019

A quantum experiment suggests
there’s no such thing as objective reality

Physicists have long suspected that quantum mechanics allows two observers to experience different, conflicting realities. Now they’ve performed the first experiment that proves it.
A quantum experiment suggests there’s no such thing as objective reality

Multiple realities, similar to Adam being Created, by God, without animals and then Adam being recreated, by God, with a past of animals, has now been duplicated, by physicists, in a lab. A couple months ago, in a state-of-the-art 6-photon experiment, two different realities were observed by two different sets of physicists.

Ever since the birth of Quantum Mechanics (the study of subatomic particles) 100 years ago, the insecurity of what is actually 'Real', has shaken the 'Realism', classical physics, world. 'Realism' physicists demand their scientifically unproven, philosophy that the universe exists even when man is not looking at it. Physicists studying the quantum world realize this is not the case.

There is a great battle being waged in the science world, as to what our reality really is. We, as Creationists, simply have to point to Quantum Mechanics geniuses, starting with 'Father of Quantum Mechanics', Neils Bohr, one hundred years ago, and say that these scientist believe that there is no universe without man to observe it, so do we. The Atheist scientist 'Realism' side of modern 'science' really hate this truth in science.

At the subatomic particle level, we see where God preforms the miracles of Creation. Quantum Mechanics Physicists see no universe without man, beginning with Adam, to observe it.

d taylor · Jun 3, 2019

Radrook said:
The Apostle paul speaks of God's rest day still in progress during the first century Common Era.

God rested after He completed His creation. In other words He completed creation and set it in working order.
So yes God is still at rest from creating.
But God also set aside the last day of the week as a sabbath rest showing that, that was the day God finished His creation work.

No Animals, thus no Evolution, When God First Created Adam; Animals were added Later

No Evolution on the First Creation of Adam

True

False

True and No Evolution on the Re-Creation, when God added Woman and Animals, either

No Evolution on the First Creation of Adam, but, Evolution on the Re-Creation of the universe

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