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From what I've read a demon can be present in the body and soul (mind, will, emotions) but not the spirit, for that is where the Holy Spirit resides.
No, it is evil spirit with the Holy Spirit suppressed, never in soul
 
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The fellowship you are seeking is deeper than what mainstream Christianity offers. Mainstream Christianity has people going to church with plastic smiles on their face and pretend to be loving and caring. This has been your only experience with Christians thus far.

This is a disappointing reality when Jesus said this: They will know we are Christians by our love we have for one another... Where is this found in the churches we attend? Do we really feel the love that Jesus showed us in the churches we attend? Or do we feel the falseness radiating from those around us? An honest answer to these questions is crucial to understanding what God is calling us to do.

I found from experience that the further away I moved from mainstream Christianity, the closer I came to Jesus. The more I studied His words, the more closer I felt to Him, yet distant from my old Christian "friends". I wasn't sure why this happened, but I am sure God will reveal it to me in His time.

I take comfort in Jesus saying, "Keep on knocking and the door will be opened; keep on seeking and you will find..." This gives me hope. Hope I will find the same love that the early Christians showed each other during the early years. Love that will cause church to not be a Sunday only thing, rather a lifestyle. I have yet to find it; I am certain God is leading me closer to such a lifestyle, however.

Don't give up, bro! Take courage that I won't give up either!

In peace

I had stopped going to church. But this prompted me to keep going:

Hebrews 10: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
 
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I had stopped going to church. But this prompted me to keep going:

Hebrews 10: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
I agree that we should come together. However, I just can't bring myself to go to a place where I have to be fake.
I will take my chances searching for a church the where the founder and creator is God. Until then... I still have Jesus.

In peace
 
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I agree that we should come together. However, I just can't bring myself to go to a place where I have to be fake.
I will take my chances searching for a church the where the founder and creator is God. Until then... I still have Jesus.

In peace
You need to be patient. You have the responsibility to share the truth with them. They should be made known that you are not faking.
 
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You need to be patient. You have the responsibility to share the truth with them. They should be made known that you are not faking.
I am not completely sure that God wants me to stay in a church where they have made it clear that they are rejecting the truth... I am open to that possibility, but it is hard for me to believe when there are lost sheep seeking and thirsting for God. If I am using my time throwing my pearls before swine, then I am not giving those that want to hear the Word's of God a chance.

At least that is how I see it.
I recently stumbled across a new YT channel that seems to be pointing people in the direction I am wanting to go. I am keen to hear what else they got to say, so I am interested to hear what others think about it.

bit.ly/Jesusteachings
In peace
 
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I realize that the church is more than a building, I know it's the body of Christ; as a result it doesn't where the body of Christ meets.

However I basically feel forgotten. I have a cell phone, but I honestly don't know why I have it: the only phone calls I get are spam calls (about paying off student loans) and my cell phone provider reminding me that my bill is due. Other than those calls, nobody ever calls me.

I am tired of receiving the typical suggestions. These typical suggestions are:

*Go to a small group/lifegroup (a.k.a. a Bible study)
*Try doing volunteer work
*Get involved with a local church

I AM going to a local church AND I AM going to weekly Bible study. Unfortunately, fellowship at my church is centered around church stuff (the aforementioned Bible study and church on Sundays) but the fellowship doesn't carry over into real life. If I didn't go to church on Sundays and didn't go to Bible study during the week, I wouldn't see anybody from my church in real life, because as I said, fellowship at my church is relegated to the aforementioned church stuff.


I have chronic depression and have suffered with it since I was 17 (34 now). It's true that volunteering would somewhat alleviate my depression and I do volunteer weekly at the humane society (I pet and cuddle cats; the socializing helps get them used to humans for when they're adopted). However the reality is that most people my age are married, living on their own and providing for their families via working at a job. I'm an older single and spend most of my time alone. Any volunteer work I do, I'd be doing by myself. I don't mind doing volunteer work alone in and of itself. However when you do everything by yourself it becomes very lonely and very depressing, and I pretty much do everything by myself.
I am also struggling in regards to making friends with Christians. Pretty much every Christian friend I've ever befriended, I do all the work from a communication standpoint; if I don't initiate I don't hear from them. I don't have an issue initiating in and of itself; the problem I have is when I am doing all the work with communicating, and they never take the initiative to reciprocate with communicating.

I also don't expect the friendship to monopolize all their time nor do I expect it to monopolize their lives as I understand they have their own lives. I'd be content if they would just initiate once a week with a call, text, or sending me a message via facebook, but I don't even get THAT much.

To me with a friendship, it's a two-way street with communication; both people in the friendship should be initiating with communication and it's not fair to stick one person with the work with communicating in a friendship. I expect a friend to initiate with communication cause that's what I think should happen in a real friendship, and I get accused of 'you're having an entitlement mentality'.

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I am tired of reaching out and trying to make friendships/social connections when when I do I get stuck doing all the work in regards to communicating. I am tired of doing everything by myself and I am very frustrated with fellowship at my church being relegated to the aforementioned church stuff. Unfortunately the problem with fellowship being centered around church stuff (Bible study, church on Sundays) and not carrying over into real life isn't just exclusive to my church, it's a problem in mainstream Christian culture as a whole, at least in the United States.

I don't trust that when I make new friends that anything is going to change. Why should I believe and trust that a new friend I make is going to actually initiate with contact, when literally every friend I've ever made I do all the work with communicating. Different people feel loved in different ways and for me it's quality time; if you cannot take 5 minutes to initiate with communicating with the friendship you have with me, then no I don't think you care about me as a person, nor do I think you care about my life.

People ask 'what am I going to do about it'? The reality is that I don't know what the solution is. However I know two things to be true:

1.I cannot even begin to make improvements with this fellowship issue without God's help.

2.Sadly most Christians in America don't see fellowship only being centered around church stuff and not carrying over into real life as an issue; they're content with the fellowship setup the way it currently is. The truth is that since they don't see it as a problem to begin with they're not going to try and make changes towards a solution. However I look at the new church and how fellowship was intertwined into daily life, and I look at fellowship in mainstream Christianity here in the United States, and realize there IS an issue with the way fellowship is in the United States.

3. This is such a major issue that it's going to take more than one person to make changes with this. I am only one person, and yes I can 'be the change I wish to see in the world' however the reality is I AM ONLY ONE PERSON, and sometimes an issue is so big that it takes more than one person to fix it and such is the case with this problem.

I have become really 'hung up' with this because I could deal with it from people from the secular world, it's the type of treatment I'd expect to receive. However I thought when I became saved I would find my niche in church, and find a place where I feel I truly belong. However I've always felt like I'm on the outside looking in for as long as I can remember, and I don't even feel like there's a place for me even in the body of Christ. The reality is that most of my congregation is made up of married people raising young families and the others are retirees. Most people my age are raising families and working jobs to provide for those families. I am not, so while I feel accepted, I don't feel included. Most Christians at my church also don't struggle with depression, at least not chronically; depression varies in severity and somebody who has never had depression or who has only had a mild form of it IS NOT going to be able to relate to somebody who struggles with it chronically because chronic depression is completely different than mild depression and effects you more badly than mild depression does.

Have you ever tried to just organize something outside of church, like just get a few people to go bowling with, or hang out at home, or watch a movie, or go out to eat?

Sometimes we put the friendship in church in such high standards that we forgot that our siblings in Christ are also humans, like any other human you meet on the street. With anyone you want to make friends with, find out what makes them laugh, music they like, what drove them mad that day, idk just be a friend.
 
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If you want to know why I'm fed up I will summarize....

1.Yes the hypocrisy.

2.The church being treated as a social club; this aggravates me to no end because that's not what the church is, and that's not what real fellowship is. Yes socializing is a part of fellowship, but it's only ONE aspect of fellowship; there is so much more to to real fellowship than merely socializing.

3.How selfish and shallow mainstream Christianity has become, and also how shallow and self-absorbed the majority of Christians are. This is going to sound harsh, but if you want to live life for yourself, then you should NOT BECOME A CHRISTIAN. I am not trying to dissuade people from coming to faith in Christ when I say this, I am being honest. Yes there are parts of your relationship with God that are personal and intimate; however for the most part when you become a Christian you put your wants and your desires last. God goes first, followed by others. However Christians are so focused on 'God's plan for [my] life' that it doesn't occur to them that a large part of God's plan for their life is serving and loving others; that the whole purpose of life is love....loving others, loving God, and being loved. It's also being like Christ which means loving like he does, and serving like he did. When you ditch somebody and/or start treating them like crap because they're not nice to be around like you want, that's not how Jesus acts, and that's who we're supposed to strive to be. Then you get this litany of 'we're humans we make mistakes too'. Yeah I don't expect perfection, but when you use that line incessantly, you're just using at as an excuse to be complacent. You can't live life how you want and follow God at the same time.....yes God has a plan, hope, and future for everybody but there's a reason that the concept of dying to yourself is in the Bible, and Jesus Himself said 'that whoever wants to save his life will lose it'. Christians are so obsessed with doing what they want to do, and yet half of them are miserable and empty by doing this.



4.That you try exposing the issues that are such huge issues in the body of Christ today, and you try doing so, and you immediately get accused of 'judging and bashing' because it's not nice and happy like they want to here, because it's not stroking their ego like they want. Saving face with their pride and ego and doing what they want to do is more important than knowing God, and that makes my blood boil. The Truth hurts and most of the time it's not going to be 'fluffy and nice'. The Bible Says that the word of God pierces the soul to the marrow. Yeah I could do a better job of expressing the issues I have, I admit that; however the reality is that many times as I just stated previously, the truth isn't nice and no matter how nice you try to package the message it's still not going to be nice to receive.


5.Narrow mindedness. That if you conform to how they think and act, and think and act like they want you to, you'll be accepted and get time, help, love, and attention. That any view that is different than their view is wrong, and then they try to shove their view down your throat. Having different perspectives as long as it aligns with the Bible isn't wrong.

6.The Hypocrisy with serving. America is all about convenience and this attitude has infiltrated the church and it's totally ruined the church. Serving isn't always going to be nice, and real service requires sacrifice. If you're only going to serve when it's convenient for you, it totally defeats the purpose of doing so. Add to that Christ says whatever you do unto the least of these you do unto me.

Christian fellowship meaning helping others become strong Christians and discussion of the word not sharing a meal or some social situation is what I see as the experience you should seek in a local Church.

You should also be feed spiritual food from the pulpit and not pious platitudes cloaked in rituals and traditions of some denomination.

Sorry if I sounded harsh, Some days seem like prayer is just not enough.
 
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