Is God able to change a person's will?

Jonaitis · Jan 24, 2019

David Cabrera said:
I would boast if I were one of God's elect.

How? If God chose you apart from anything he found in you, from you, or about you wouldn't his choice be of pure grace? Is God's love conditional?

Not David · Jan 24, 2019

timothyu said:
That is a worldly trait hence instant disqualification.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 24, 2019

Jonaitis said:
How can we boast in Christ, if it depended entirely upon our intellect, our wisdom, our own goodness that others seem to have lacked? Is God not able to save us entirely, why must we give a little room for ourselves in this redemption? Doesn't Scripture say that we were once slaves to sin? What slave chooses freedom? Doesn't Scripture says we must be born again? What person chooses to be born? Doesn't Scripture say that we were blind and lost? How then did we see Christ and find our way to him? Let us not take the glory that belongs to God alone!

This doesn't make sense - does not follow (non-sequitur) - from the topic in this thread, and the Scripture has already been posted more than once
that answers all the questions that are on topic.

Not David · Jan 24, 2019

Jonaitis said:
How? If God chose you apart from anything he found in you, from you, or about you wouldn't his choice be of pure grace? Is God's love conditional?

Exactly, God chose me, not someone else.

Jonaitis · Jan 24, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
This doesn't make sense - does not follow (non-sequitur) - from the topic in this thread, and the Scripture has already been posted more than once
that answers all the questions that are on topic.

Jeff,

Don't avoid my post.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 24, 2019

Romans 11:19-21 English Standard Version (ESV)
19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.

David Cabrera said:
Exactly, God chose me, not someone else.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 24, 2019

The Scripture previously posted is the only answer needed, as noted before.

Jonaitis said:
Don't avoid my post.

Jonaitis · Jan 24, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
The Scripture previously posted is the only answer needed, as noted before.

Sorry, it is hard to view and maneuver on this site on my tiny mobile phone I am temporally using. I'm off the grid here!

Not David · Jan 24, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Romans 11:19-21 English Standard Version (ESV)
19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.

Please, if you don't know why I posted something, don't reply to it.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 24, 2019

Only those saved by Christ can boast in Christ - and only in Him.

If any disciple "depended on" their intellect, wisdom, or goodness, then as Jesus said directly they already failed.

No one has the intellect, wisdom, nor goodness, that is required to be saved,
because salvation is only in and through Jesus, by grace, through faith, the faith being also a sheer gift from Yahweh in heaven, according to all His Word.

Jonaitis said:
How can we boast in Christ, if it depended entirely upon our intellect, our wisdom, our own goodness that others seem to have lacked?

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 24, 2019

David Cabrera said:
I would boast if I were one of God's elect.

Jonaitis said:
How? If God chose you apart from anything he found in you, from you, or about you wouldn't his choice be of pure grace? Is God's love conditional?

Ephesians 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast. - Bible Hub
Ephesians 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. New American Standard Bible ... It's not the result of anything you've done, so no one can brag about it.

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Romans 11:19-21 English Standard Version (ESV)
19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.

David Cabrera said:
Please, if you don't know why I posted something, don't reply to it.

Clarify then if you are not elect,
and if you were, why you would boast ?

And if possible, what's the opposite of "non-sequitur" ?

Not David · Jan 24, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Ephesians 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast. - Bible Hub
Ephesians 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. New American Standard Bible ... It's not the result of anything you've done, so no one can brag about it.

Clarify then if you are not elect,
and if you were, why you would boast ?

And if possible, what's the opposite of "non-sequitur" ?

I'm talking about Calvinist election.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 24, 2019

David Cabrera said:
I'm talking about Calvinist election.

Why ? Is that what you believe? Then still, why in this thread ?

martymonster · Jan 25, 2019

timothyu said:
Can they be changed? Of course but unless for some specific reason, why would God tamper with choice? What is the good of believing something because we've been told to? Useless. We have to experience and find out for ourselves the reason to switch wills. Why once figuring out how backwards human thinking is with it self serving ways would we want to return to such a self defeating way of thinking. But no one can be taught to reject the world of man as Jesus said we should do. When it comes to grain and tares, we weed ourselves. That is why so many who don't seek for themselves remain firmly rooted in the self destructive ways of mankind while saying Lord Lord.

So he'd tamper with mans will for a specific reason, but them being saved from be tortured for all eternity, isn't one of those reasons?
What exactly would be more important than that?

Rescued One · Jan 25, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
No. A lot of "bless me" (a false gospel) type believers think they are only going to be blessed by God for "joining" this or that church - they even think they are doing God a favor by being on His side......

If they don't repent, then on Judgment Day, Jesus tells them to be gone - all they did was for show, for "blessing", for rewards .... not in obedience.

I don't understand your post. My siblings are not followers of Christ; they're agnostics.

Rescued One · Jan 25, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
We will be praying for you Jonaitis.

This quoted post is seeming to be the opposite of what Scripture Says, and not in the character of the Spirit of Christ.

I think you misunderstood.

Rescued One · Jan 25, 2019

martymonster said:
So he'd tamper with mans will for a specific reason, but them being saved from be tortured for all eternity, isn't one of those reasons?
What exactly would be more important than that?

Do you think anyone deserves punishment?

martymonster · Jan 25, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Do you think anyone deserves punishment?

Well, it's irrelevant what I think. God thinks everyone is deserving of death, but death is a far cry from being tortured for all eternity.

Rescued One · Jan 25, 2019

martymonster said:
Well, it's irrelevant what I think. God thinks everyone is deserving of death, but death is a far cry from being tortured for all eternity.

That tells me that you don't believe anyone is tortured for eternity. This thread isn't about being tortured for eternity.

martymonster · Jan 25, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
That tells me that you don't believe anyone is tortured for eternity. This thread isn't about being tortured for eternity.

No, not specifically, but it is by extension, because of the ramifications of the topic.

Is God able to change a person's will?

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