Is a 3rd future Temple needed to fulfill Bible prophecy?

LittleLambofJesus said:

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After 2000 yrs, Jerusalem is still without a Temple and Sanctuary.

Could it be that perhaps Yahweh doesn't desire for the Jews to have those built again?
According to some views in Christianity, there is a view that a future Temple must be built to fulfill various OT and NT prophecies.
What are others views on this?

Here is a passage in Jeremiah concerning Yawheh and the Ark of the Covenant:

Jeremiah 3:
15 I will give you shepherds according to my heart, who shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. 16 It shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land, in those days," says Yahweh,
"they shall say no more, 'The Ark of the Covenant of Yahweh!'
neither shall it come to mind;
neither shall they remember it;
neither shall they miss it;
neither shall it be made any more.

In the Christian Book of Revelation, it actually shows the Sanctuary of the GOD in heaven:

Revelation 11:19
And opened was the Sanctuary<3485> of God in the heaven,
and there was seen the Ark of His Covenant in His Sanctuary,
and there did come lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.

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What would you do in the new temple? There is no longer any need to offer a sacrifice, Jesus has done that once and for all. The Ark of the Covenant is no longer required. Jesus is our High Priest and has no need of a temple here on earth. Jesus is our temple. So what would be the purpose? I must be missing something but I cant think of what it might be at the moment.

LittleLambofJesus said:

I would just visit it as a tourist attraction [if of course the Jews allow it].
However, not sure if I would want to enter into the Holy Place of the Tabernacle.....

Did the high priest have a rope tied to him when he entered the Holy of Holies?.
Did the high priest have a rope tied to him when he entered the Holy of Holies?

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LittleLambofJesus said:

I would just visit it as a tourist attraction [if of course the Jews allow it].
However, not sure if I would want to enter into the Holy Place of the Tabernacle.....

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The Temple would have to be built on the original site which is now the dome of the rock. There would be a major conflict if anyone tried to build on that location.

disciple Clint said:

The Temple would have to be built on the original site which is now the dome of the rock. There would be a major conflict if anyone tried to build on that location.

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Water Management in Herod's Temple
http://www.askelm.com/TempBook/Temples031.pdf

LittleLambofJesus said:

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After 2000 yrs, Jerusalem is still without a Temple and Sanctuary.

Could it be that perhaps Yahweh doesn't desire for the Jews to have those built again?
According to some views in Christianity, there is a view that a future Temple must be built to fulfill various OT and NT prophecies.
What are others views on this?

Here is a passage in Jeremiah concerning Yawheh and the Ark of the Covenant:

Jeremiah 3:
15 I will give you shepherds according to my heart, who shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. 16 It shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land, in those days," says Yahweh,
"they shall say no more, 'The Ark of the Covenant of Yahweh!'
neither shall it come to mind;
neither shall they remember it;
neither shall they miss it;
neither shall it be made any more.

In the Christian Book of Revelation, it actually shows the Sanctuary of the GOD in heaven:

Revelation 11:19
And opened was the Sanctuary<3485> of God in the heaven,
and there was seen the Ark of His Covenant in His Sanctuary,
and there did come lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Here are some utube vids that may be of interest to some:

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Within about 40 years of Jesus death the earthly temple/sanctuary system ended. The temple was destroyed and with good reason. This is because it was no longer needed ... as Moses laws (ceremonial/sacrificial) were nailed to the cross.. and besides that ... it was a faulty system ... that is ... people can not be saved by the blood of bulls and goats etc Hebrews 10:11. Jesus is our high priest in the sanctuary in heaven.

Jesus was one sacrifice for ALL.

I do not believe a temple in earthly Jerusalem will ever be built, because then the sacrificial system would be re-instituted because orthodox jews do not believe Jesus is/was the Messiah they do aspire to build the temple. IF it were to be rebuilt it would be a total abomination to the Lord and He would never enter it.
(Shekinah glory)

signified by ... Christ’'s sacrificial death, took place in the inner sanctum of the house of animal sacrifice: "Behold the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom" (Matthew 27:51)

The new Jerusalem will be the one that descends from heaven ... read Revelation 21 in it's entirety.

disciple Clint said:

What would you do in the new temple? There is no longer any need to offer a sacrifice, Jesus has done that once and for all. The Ark of the Covenant is no longer required. Jesus is our High Priest and has no need of a temple here on earth. Jesus is our temple. So what would be the purpose? I must be missing something but I cant think of what it might be at the moment.

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Your post shows clearly you do no understand the nature of the question or the evidence for future prophecy yet to be fulfilled in the Temple. The premise is that the Temple is necessary for the antichrist/ man of sin to be revealed has nothing to do with the completeness of Jesus sacrifice. The fullness of the effect of the new covenant is not being challenged. A rise of evil and the 7 year tribulation can clearly be established in scripture. The dismissing this to being fulfilled in 70AD is one way of trying to stay consistent. If it were all fulfilled in 70ad it would seem odd that Israel is a nation and has prepared everything for a 3rd temple at the time when the world is forming a global government and working towards a cashless global financial system.
You made a point about the ark of the covenant. The Jews are still talking about it and all where it is and expect it to be there when the messiah comes. This is a bit of proof that this is future as Jer 3 says this about the ark.
14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the LORD; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion. 15 And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
16 “Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says the LORD, “that they will say no more, ‘The ark of the covenant of the LORD.’ It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore.
17 “At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the LORD, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts.
18 “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers.

This passage makes sense only in the future scenario where Israel accepts Jesus as LORD. This promise is linked with the idea that it happens at teh time when Jerusalem is called the throne of the LORD. If you compare this to ZEch 14 you will see life continuing on earth after the LORD is king over all the earth. So both statements are true the temple is coming for prophecy to be fulfilled and those who are born again are the sanctuary of God. These ideas are not mutually exclusive.

Brian Mcnamee said:

If it were all fulfilled in 70ad it would seem odd that Israel is a nation and has prepared everything for a 3rd temple

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Everything?

Who are the Priests with the demonstrable Levitical lineage?

How did they demonstrate that lineage?

Do they (or you) know where the Urim and Thummim are (Ezra 2:63)??
They are biblically necessary to discern priestly genealogy of purported Jews who lost their familial records after being scattered (which would be every and any purported Jew alive today)

So, someone who already has proven priestly genealogy (which would be no one today) needs to find them and consult with them before any Temple rituals can take place, according to the Law...

Now, since Modern Jews don't follow the Law (which Biblically makes them uncircumcised heathen in Gods eyes according to scripture) they probably don't much care.

disciple Clint said:

What would you do in the new temple? There is no longer any need to offer a sacrifice, Jesus has done that once and for all. The Ark of the Covenant is no longer required. Jesus is our High Priest and has no need of a temple here on earth. Jesus is our temple. So what would be the purpose? I must be missing something but I cant think of what it might be at the moment.

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In fact we Christians are the Temple of God on earth for this Church age. 1 Peter 2:5
Soon to come to an end and there will be a new Temple built for we Christians to worship and make offerings to God in. Isaiah 56:1-8 tells the story plainly.

LittleLambofJesus said:

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After 2000 yrs, Jerusalem is still without a Temple and Sanctuary.

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Hi LittlelambofJesus,

The third temple will be built in the Millennium. (Ez. 40 - 48) It does not get defiled by the anti-Christ.

As to the temple that Jesus & Paul spoke about where the abomination will stand, that is NOT the temple where Solomon etc built. It is just a temple, elsewhere. And actually it is already built and in use by the Jews in Jerusalem.

When Jesus spoke about the temple He frequented, He used the word `Hieron,` whereas when Paul talks about the abomination in the sacred place he uses the word `naos,` meaning a temple, meeting place, synagogue elsewhere. There is no prerequisite for the temple with the abomination to built on the sacred site. To the contrary, in line with Greek usage, it must be constructed elsewhere.

On August 1982, in the Presence of the Prime Minister, Members of Cabinet and many other notables, the Jerusalem Great Synogogue was dedicated. It is situated in King George Street, and is constructed from the same local stone as was Solomon`s Temple. The central feature is a high tower containing five magnificent stained-glass windows, topped by two tablets of stone, bearing the ten commandments.

The temple referred to by Paul is Built!

Marilyn C said:

The temple referred to by Paul is Built!

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Paul referred to it as "The temple of God".

How does this building qualify?

keras said:

In fact we Christians are the Temple of God on earth for this Church age. 1 Peter 2:5

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Exactly.

keras said:

Soon to come to an end and there will be a new Temple built for we Christians to worship and make offerings to God in. Isaiah 56:1-8 tells the story plainly.

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Wait. Why did you go backwards in time from 1 Peter 2 and ignore the context (and timing) in which Isaiah was written? What would be the purpose for "offerings to God"? He was the perfect (and final) sacrifice.

Marilyn C said:

On August 1982, in the Presence of the Prime Minister, Members of Cabinet and many other notables, the Jerusalem Great Synogogue was dedicated. It is situated in King George Street, and is constructed from the same local stone as was Solomon`s Temple. The central feature is a high tower containing five magnificent stained-glass windows, topped by two tablets of stone, bearing the ten commandments.

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My wife and I went into the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem. She had to go into the women's area and I into the main room. The Rabbi was reading from a scroll in Hebrew and when he finished it was rolled up and placed back in the rack with great ceremony.
In Jacob Damkani's book; Why Me? he said that the Jews take no cognizance of the scriptures, they read them and that's it.
In no way is that building the Temple, the Jews never say it is and it's design is not how the Temple should be.

mkgal1 said:

Wait. Why did you go backwards in time from 1 Peter 2 and ignore the context (and timing) in which Isaiah was written? What would be the purpose for "offerings to God"? He was the perfect (and final) sacrifice.

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I do that because that is what is plainly prophesied to happen. Ezekiel 40-48 is all about the time before Jesus Returns, when all the faithful Christians will occupy all of the holy Land.

Who are you to say what God requires of us?
He wanted offerings and sacrifices before and remember He does not change. Malachi 3:6

disciple Clint said:

The Temple would have to be built on the original site which is now the dome of the rock.

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I agree 100% with your earlier post about there being no need for a future Jewish temple, because Christ is now the temple.


However, the area now known as "The Temple Mount" is the remains of Roman Fort Antonia.

Every day thousands of Jews and Christians pray at a wall made up of stones stacked one upon another.
Based on the words of Christ that wall cannot be a part of the ancient Jewish temple.
See the link below.

The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia

Fort Antonia and the Jewish Temple:



Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.





Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.





Mar 15:16 Then the soldiers led Him away into the hall called Praetorium, and they called together the whole garrison.



Act_23:35 he said, "I will hear you when your accusers also have come." And he commanded him to be kept in Herod's Praetorium.



The following comes from Wars of the Jews, by Flavius Josephus, Book 5, Chapter 5, Section 8.



8. Now as to the tower of Antonia, it was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west, and that on the north; it was erected upon a rock of fifty cubits in height, and was on a great precipice; it was the work of king Herod, wherein he demonstrated his natural magnanimity. In the first place, the rock itself was covered over with smooth pieces of stone, from its foundation, both for ornament, and that any one who would either try to get up or to go down it might not be able to hold his feet upon it. Next to this, and before you come to the edifice of the tower itself, there was a wall three cubits high; but within that wall all the space of the tower of Antonia itself was built upon, to the height of forty cubits. The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod’s palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere.



Josephus said Fort Antonia was built upon a gigantic rock.


This provides tremendous evidence that the Dome of the Rock is the true location of Fort Antonia.



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So if the church is the third temple of God, when and how will the anti Christ sit in it?

The answer is a yes, a third temple is necessary, but it is likely to be downsized in the interim to get the animal sacrifices and other temple observances going as quickly as possible.

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W2L said:

So if the church is the third temple of God, when and how will the anti Christ sit in it?

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Any man who claims to speak for God and allows Christians to bow down to him is antichrist.


Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

There are also churches which have invited those who reject Christ to speak from their pulpits.
What should be concluded from 1 John 2:22-23.


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