THOUGHTS FOR ISRAEL

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AN INTERESTING LETTER THAT MIGHT HELP SOME SEEKERS

AN OPEN LETTER TO JEWISH FRIENDS
Dear Pilgrims:
Is there a common ground of faith on which a faithful Jew today and a true Christian might meet? It could only be on the promises of God, the love of God, and in the hope for all mankind. If one cares not for the other and closes the door, then there is no hope among us of unity in the one Creator-God.

True Christianity has no quarrel with the biblical Old Testament, Israel's history, and the teaching of the prophets. Remember, the prophets spoke of the coming of the anointed one ---the Messiah (note Isaiah). The faithful believers in God must ask what it is they are looking for today. We must have the assurance of salvation lest we die under judgment and face condemnation ---religion does not save, but only the Messiah (Jesus, the Christ). That hope is only by God's Word, not religion and tradition.

The writer would like to set forth an understanding and some questions to consider, and then just leave the matter for conscience sake. An honest person should cry to God in secret to teach him what is true, even laying aside preconceived religious thoughts. The Christian nations ought to seek the good of Israel for God's honor, and true and faithful Christians need to show forth the hope of Israel in Jesus Christ. It remains for Israel to decide if they will close that door.

The Almighty God is more than a Creator, for He is a Savior God for mankind (see Isaiah 45:22). He made Israel a special people unto Him, and when they continued to reject Him He scattered them for a time, and sent forth the grace of God also to the Gentile world. It wasn't the first time God blessed Gentile people when Israel failed to appreciate Him. The Gentiles also have precious souls that need to be saved ---all men need the salvation of God for their sins and fallen nature from Genesis 2 & 3.

The Scripture clearly shows Israel became a rebellious people against their God, as the Prophets warned, and God delivered them into bondage and dispersion. It is even doubtful that all can trace their lineage to a tribe today. There were faithful Jews who did not rebel, but the leadership turned the nation away. It has been so ever since. God allowed a remnant to return to the land, and through Judah God brought forth their Deliverer as He intended from the beginning. Jesus said unto the Jews: "Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me" (John 5:39).

Two things hindered the Jews from receiving their promised Messiah, I see. He did not come as a great King in power and as a conqueror, but as a meek and gentle Lamb; and He did not embrace the self-exalted Jewish leadership. He was seen as a threat to their religious empire and high position of privilege and wealth. Though many of the common Jews received Jesus Christ as Lord and believed, the leaders persuaded the people in general and the Roman government to kill Him. Of course He had power to prevent that, but He willingly laid down His life to be that sacrificial Lamb of God, and bear away the sins of all who would believe (see Isaiah 53 about that). Surely we all agree that the sacrificial animals of old were only a covering of sins before God, until the true Sacrifice came to put away sin. Well, dear ones, many of us know He has come! Only the sinless One of God could bear our sins away and cleanse us. Sinful man could never cleanse himself by his religious works. Isaiah said: "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags" (Isa. 64:6).

It is quite apparent to any student of the history that Jesus --the Christ, came forth in fulfillment of all prophecy ---from His birth, in His circumstances, in His life, and in His teachings. Many of the early day Jews saw for themselves and believed, but the vail has been kept in place for succeeding generations. In a day to come "One (of Israel) shall say unto Him, what are these wounds in Thine hands? Then He shall answer, those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends" (Zech.13:6). There you have the real sacrifice fortold.

It could not be expected that a Jew would turn from his teachings and traditions, unless he came to understand God's full plan and ways for Israel. It is a plan that goes much beyond what that religion teaches today. Prophecy of old shows us that a small remnant from each tribe will repent and be restored, to make Israel an earthly people forever in a renewed and perfect world, but the mass of Israel will be condemned. I hope you will not continue with the mass. We only have a little while here in this day of grace for salvation.

Presently Israel has no sacrifice (which is required), for they reject the Christ of God who came 2,000 years ago. Yet, today both Jew and Gentile may come to the Savior of sinners and receive Him as the true blood sacrifice, and enter into the joy and assurance of eternal blessing. It requires one to be open and honest, and to go into their "closet", as God says, and yield to Him. Please read all of the Gospel by John in the Bible, and especially note John 5:39-40.
- Sincerely in Christ, Robert L. DeWitt: from Biblecounsel.net - 12/97

One will hear teaching and diverse ministry along our pathway from many sources . One should always test it by the Word of God (see Deut.18:15-18; Psalm 22; Isa.9:6; Isa.53; Zech.13:6; Matt.1:18-23; Matt.22:41-46; Luke 1:26-35; John 9:53-59; John 20; etc.). Whether it is profitable often depends, too, on our state of soul. This paper is prepared with much care and prayer to be a help and honor the Lord. Comments and questions are welcome. -RLD
 
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Wow, there is a lot wrong with that - I can honestly say that I do not think that with the way it is written that even one Jewish person would choose to believe that Yeshua is the Messiah. This type of "evangelism" is what keeps Jewish people and Christians apart.
 
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Wow, there is a lot wrong with that - I can honestly say that I do not think that with the way it is written that even one Jewish person would choose to believe that Yeshua is the Messiah. This type of "evangelism" is what keeps Jewish people and Christians apart.
How about the Talmud?
 
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How about the Talmud?

The Talmud is not necessarily scripture, it is a collection of opinions from the Jewish sages and the Oral Law written (which would be scripture). There are parts that can be interpreted as anti-Christian, but they are not universally held as scripture.
 
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The Talmud is not necessarily scripture, it is a collection of opinions from the Jewish sages and the Oral Law written (which would be scripture).
They take it very seriously in Judaism, don't they?
Afaik Jusdaism uses the Talmud to interpret the Torah.
There are parts that can be interpreted as anti-Christian, but they are not universally held as scripture.
There are parts that are blatantly racist and supremacist, very hateful towards the 'goyim'.
What it says about Jesus and Mary is shocking.
Some disturbingly wicked morals and values there too.
And they have people calling me an anti-semite for stating these facts...
Whaddawoild, whaddawoild..
 
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....none the less, it would be awesome if they saw the Truth we see in Christ too.
How to go about this?
Their pride is probably the biggest obstacle..
Also, it is written that God blinded them.
But we should try to plant seeds one the less.
But not cast pearls before the swine, though.
But that's how it is in general, for all people.
From what i understand from the Bible it takes serious tribulation and Jesus' return with God's wrath to persuade a small remnant of Jacob to acknowledge Yeshua ha Messiach (i spelled that wrong, didn't i..).
Meanwhile the world has to put up with the zionist cabal, who own the banks and the media...

Reality is very strange, and not in a nice way, isn't it?
 
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....none the less, it would be awesome if they saw the Truth we see in Christ too.
How to go about this?
Their pride is probably the biggest obstacle..
Also, it is written that God blinded them.
But we should try to plant seeds one the less.
But not cast pearls before the swine, though.
But that's how it is in general, for all people.
From what i understand from the Bible it takes serious tribulation and Jesus' return with God's wrath to persuade a small remnant of Jacob to acknowledge Yeshua ha Messiach (i spelled that wrong, didn't i..).
Meanwhile the world has to put up with the zionist cabal, who own the banks and the media...

Reality is very strange, and not in a nice way, isn't it?

Are you speaking from personal experience with Jews in a religious setting or what you've heard others say? And when you mention pride, are you suggesting that's absent in Christian?

You realize Jesus came to die right? That was always the plan.
 
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Are you speaking from personal experience with Jews in a religious setting or what you've heard others say? And when you mention pride, are you suggesting that's absent in Christian?

You realize Jesus came to die right? That was always the plan.
Are you suggesting evils of people justify evils of other people?

Does the truth offend you?
Well, it does offend me.
The things i have learned in the past decade when i started seeking truth in this world full of lies are on average rather disturbing.
We all know there are big wrongs on our planet.
But if you want change, it starts with awareness.
Sure, it will not be paradise here before Jesus is King and High Priest, but some things should be stopped or at least have warnings attached to it, so that people can avoid certain traps.

So i have done my research, and i have done my verifications, so i think i get the picture regarding several subjects.
I think what's often referred to as Christian Zionism is a foolish thing.
Misleading, dangerous even.

Listen, it's about ideologies and teachings that i have a problem with.
Also with acting accordingly.
I can share my opinion about Islam too, but this topic is about Israel.
 
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Are you suggesting evils of people justify evils of other people?

Does the truth offend you?

I did not mention offense in my comment. I asked a simple question. How did you arrive at this point from two sentences?

So i have done my research, and i have done my verifications, so i think i get the picture regarding several subjects.
I think what's often referred to as Christian Zionism is a foolish thing.
Misleading, dangerous even.

If you have information that you believe would be helpful for others. It is better to share it and encourage a discussion than lead with accusations. You'll never be heard. If your perspective is derived from books what's the harm in admitting that?

..........

I will correct a few of your comments for the sake of others in this thread.

- I am not offended by what you said. I came to faith in a Jewish synagogue and found God and Christ. Your remarks seem strange for a believer whose faith is founded on the Torah and whose bible is largely comprised of Jewish writers.

- The majority of Jews don't study the Talmud. Most restrict their reading to the Torah. The Talmud and other texts are often the focus of Ultra Orthodox, Orthodox, and some Conservative branches. However, most Jews in America follow Reform teachings. They're less observant than the other branches save Reconstructionist Judaism.

- I am not a Christian Zionist or in agreement with the tactics some evangelists employ towards Jews and others. But that's another discussion.

- Studying a subject and living it are two different things. No seminary or divinity school can provide that. I learned more about the Torah in a synagogue for obvious reasons. Christians are removed from the culture and worship. We are viewing each from the outside. There's a marked difference in understanding when you're walking that out.

I think it would be better if you explained yourself. But I will leave that to your discretion.
 
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....none the less, it would be awesome if they saw the Truth we see in Christ too.
How to go about this?
Their pride is probably the biggest obstacle..
Also, it is written that God blinded them.
But we should try to plant seeds one the less.
But not cast pearls before the swine, though.
But that's how it is in general, for all people.
From what i understand from the Bible it takes serious tribulation and Jesus' return with God's wrath to persuade a small remnant of Jacob to acknowledge Yeshua ha Messiach (i spelled that wrong, didn't i..).
Meanwhile the world has to put up with the zionist cabal, who own the banks and the media...

Reality is very strange, and not in a nice way, isn't it?
I'll bet you a whole dollar that you don't even know what Zionism is and where it came from. Or that you actually know what the Talmud actually is. Or why we came to dominate the banking professions or medicine. You don't know anything about us beyond the second grade hatred.
 
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I'll bet you a whole dollar that you don't even know what Zionism is and where it came from. Or that you actually know what the Talmud actually is. Or why we came to dominate the banking professions or medicine. You don't know anything about us beyond the second grade hatred.

Just a brief note here to the above comment: Many real saints today (John 3:16) don't believe Zionism today is what Zion meant to Israel. In the O.T. Zion is shown as the hope of Israel as where the Lord Jesus will reign as the "King of kings and Lord of lords" when He returns ---on the present Temple mount. Isaiah understood that! That is biblical, and the interpretations of men is something else.
 
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Just a brief note here to the above comment: Many real saints today (John 3:16) don't believe Zionism today is what Zion meant to Israel. In the OT Zion is shown as the hope of Israel as where the Lord Jesus will reign as the "King of kings and Lord of lords" when He returns ---on the present Temple mount. Isaiah understood that! That is biblical, and the interpretations of men is something else.
Zionism has nothing to do with religion, it never had. Zionism is (mostly) secular Jewish movements for establishing and maintaining a safe homeland for our people in the Middle East.
 
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I did not mention offense in my comment.
That's why i asked. ;)
I asked a simple question. How did you arrive at this point from two sentences?
Suggestion and implication are real things, so i asked to be sure.
If you have information that you believe would be helpful for others. It is better to share it and encourage a discussion than lead with accusations.
Accusations?
You'll never be heard. If your perspective is derived from books what's the harm in admitting that?
An eye opener for me was the 1980s documentary "the Other Israel" by Ted Pike, a Christian, who never accused anyone, but only shared what's in the Talmud and how this influences Jewish thinking.
His message is pray for the unbelievers and watch out for Christian Zionism, because Zion is still in opposition to God.
Can't serve 2 Lords.
..........

I will correct a few of your comments for the sake of others in this thread.
Oh, right.. ;)
Well, let's see then.
My posts could often use some nuance.
- I am not offended by what you said. I came to faith in a Jewish synagogue and found God and Christ.
That's unusual, isn't it?
Your remarks seem strange for a believer whose faith is founded on the Torah and whose bible is largely comprised of Jewish writers.
Why is that strange?
I think i explained this already.
It's not about race.
It's about ideologies and acting accordingly.
You know the story. We all do.
Most Jews decided not to follow YHWH anymore when He gave his Son.
But that's obviously from a Christian perspective.
Those who didn't follow Jesus went in a different direction.
They didn't just stick to the Torah.
They did away with the plurality (more persons) of YHWH, because it was deemed too Christian, for example.
They went the Pharisee way, with teachings from outside the Bible.
- The majority of Jews don't study the Talmud. Most restrict their reading to the Torah. The Talmud and other texts are often the focus of Ultra Orthodox, Orthodox, and some Conservative branches. However, most Jews in America follow Reform teachings. They're less observant than the other branches save Reconstructionist Judaism.
There are a few things that are visible in their culture and identity as a people.
And i guess i'm mostly referring to Jewish people in power.
Some call it "the Jewish Question".
It's a very difficult subject. Very controversial too.
Obviously you can't put "the blame" on all of the Jews.
But there are plenty of things powerful Jews have said and done that can find justification in Talmudic teachings.
And i guess when you read the Torah through Talmudic glasses (so to speak) you can find confirmation there too.
Look, we all know Hitler was more or less the devil in the flesh.
I wonder though, if we will ever know the REAL history behind WWII
But after what the Jews did to Russia and their bankster schemes, there was plenty of opposition to the Jewry on which Hitler could build his popularity, even with a Christian twist to it.

Maybe it has to do with the newborn circumcision.
I can imagine that may change a person for the rest of his life, being hurt where it hurts 8 days after the shock of being born.
Trauma.
I don't know...
Opinions and views, as usual, vary enormously...
But it's one of the questions i will ask God, because i fail to see why He would ordain such a cruel (from my mortal perspective) thing.
- I am not a Christian Zionist or in agreement with the tactics some evangelists employ towards Jews and others. But that's another discussion.
It's not even clear what Christian Zionism means.
More than 1 definition.
I'm referring to Christians 'worshipping' the state of Israel and supporting everything they do, like claiming all the land God promised them.
- Studying a subject and living it are two different things. No seminary or divinity school can provide that. I learned more about the Torah in a synagogue for obvious reasons. Christians are removed from the culture and worship. We are viewing each from the outside. There's a marked difference in understanding when you're walking that out.

I think it would be better if you explained yourself. But I will leave that to your discretion.
Well, what can i say...
I think we're going a bit off topic too.
I've learned a lot about the Old Testament too, but not much from Judaists.
But there's a lot to learn about ancient languages and cultures to put things in perspective and context.
The fact that Judaism is blind to the New Testament doesn't really motivate me to seek their help in understanding the Bible, to be honest.
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It's a different story when a Christian Jew sheds his light on things.
That's interesting.
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Maybe an old wine in new sacks vs. new wine in old sacks kind of thing..

I'm looking forward to the day when we will all understand everything.
 
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Zionism has nothing to do with religion, it never had. Zionism is (mostly) secular Jewish movements for establishing and maintaining a safe homeland for our people in the Middle East.
I'm not so sure about it having nothing to do with religion.
I am quite sure that the Zionism we usually refer to is an elitist driven thing.
I'm also quite sure that there's definitely religion involved in those circles too.
I think of Psalms 82
But there's also this hexagram thing, of course..
Star of David?
I don't believe so.
Seal of Solomon?
Yes, probably.
Star of Moloch (Molech)?
It seems to match...
And if not, it's the Merkava (merkaba), which is Kabbalistic / Babylonian and also used in witchcraft apparently.
Dark, controversial rabbit hole stuff obviously, but occult does mean hidden and these things must be kept a secret or the people will revolt...

Just saying you should make sure before you state it has nothing to do with religion.
Maybe depends on the definition of religion too.
 
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Zionism has nothing to do with religion, it never had. Zionism is (mostly) secular Jewish movements for establishing and maintaining a safe homeland for our people in the Middle East.

I was referring to Zion as shown in the Bible (not Zionism today), and you might want to read Isaiah to understand what the Prophecy teaches. Prophetically Zion IS where the Lord will reign in the future.
 
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I was referring to Zion as shown in the Bible (not Zionism today), and you might want to read Isaiah to understand what the Prophecy teaches. Prophetically Zion IS where the Lord will reign in the future.
Biblical you can say that the Babylonian exiles were Zionists because they wanted to return. But, in a larger sense Zion is simply a place, a home. That's where Zionism comes from. Incidentally, you don't have to be even Jewish, nevermind religious, to be a Zionist.
 
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