Small minority of the Elect make it to Heaven

RayJeena said:

It does, however Acts 17:28, from which I quoted, is not one of them.

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Acts 17:28 New International Version (NIV)
28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’a]">[a] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’b]">[b]

Footnotes:

1. Acts 17:28 From the Cretan philosopher Epimenides
2. Acts 17:28 From the Cilician Stoic philosopher Aratus

awitch said:

I hate it when people commandeer science that's generally too complicated to understand without extended study to back up religious ideas. What is god? Quantum mechanics. What is magic? Quantum mechanics. Where is heaven? Quantum mechanics. Are you going to invest the time and effort and money to fact check?

Isn't it odd that you're happy to accept quantum theory because you can bend it to support your religious ideology, but throw away well understood science like evolution because it's inconvenient to your religion's narrative.

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God Evolved
Alpha First Beginning

Isaiah 44:6
“This is what the Lord says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.

Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 21:6
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

The proof that God exist is in the fact that spontaneous evolution of life is not possible in this universe. God evolved, then He created. From the Subatomic and the primordial Dark Matter. A type of nothing, because it has no atomic bonds to form anything. God created gravity and gravitons to form the atomic elements of this Universe.

Dark Matter is undifferentiated material which has no atomic bonds, this would make it of no particular substance. In other words, it is Nothing. And if you are willing to accept it, it is primordial, and God's store house for creating the universe from "Nothing."

Dark Matter is accepted by the mainstream scientific community. The existence and properties of dark matter are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter, on radiation, and on the large-scale structure of the universe. The presence of dark matter in the universe, including gravitational lensing of background objects by galaxy clusters such as the Bullet Cluster, the temperature distribution of hot gas in galaxies and clusters of galaxies and, more recently, the pattern of anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background.

According to cosmologists, dark matter is composed primarily of a not yet characterized type of subatomic particle.

The belief that God created from nothing comes from the Ramban comments on Genesis: www.sefaria.org/Ramban_on_Genesis.1.1?lang=en&layout=lines&sidebarLang=all

Dark Matter: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter


The missing links are missing because life did not evolve in this Universe.

Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.


The key is the word "formed." Absolutely anything that has no beginning does not exist. God says that He is the FIRST AND THE LAST. Therefore He Began. That is why His name means "Life Began."

awitch said:

Concepts of god have evolved over time due to changing cultural norms and understanding of the natural world, maybe, but god did not evolve through the mechanisms of Evolutionary Theory. There would have to be a race of gods with variation that produce offspring to propagate divine genes.



What is spontaneous evolution supposed to mean? Evolution describes variation of life over time. Even abiogenesis wasn't spontaneous; it describes the rise of life through the arrangement of molecules to form simple organic machines. Even if this was some type of proof, it does imply any particular religious narrative.



There is zero evidence for this argument.
I could say Dark Energy is proof that Gozer the Gozerian exists and it would be just as valid.



Dark matter is hypothetical, though it is implied. You will find exactly zero credible physicists claiming it is proof of any deity.

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Have you ever taken into consideration that the truth may not be what you make up?

dlamberth said:

In spiritual matters it's not all that hard.


I agree that the Kingdom of God is veiled. But it's not hidden in Dark Matter. It's right in front of us.

About Heaven, your the first I've seen to suggest that it's Dark Matter.

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There are many different heavens. Earth is one place called heaven.


Genesis 1:6
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


Luke 17:21
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is among you."

dlamberth said:

Here's a sort of filter I put everything through when first looking at it. It's a starting place for me before I go on to look at something from other angles. I could also replace the word "Truth" with the word "God" in my list and mean the same thing.

Truth can not be bought
Truth can not be sold
Truth is not paraphernalia
Truth is not phenomena
Truth is not extravagant claims
Truth is not the teacher
Truth is not money
Truth is not narcissistic

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So much for logic. Have a nice day!

dlamberth said:

In spiritual matters it's not all that hard.


I agree that the Kingdom of God is veiled. But it's not hidden in Dark Matter. It's right in front of us.

About Heaven, your the first I've seen to suggest that it's Dark Matter.

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I did not say that, you did.

Arthra said:

In the Baha'i view the soul has an eternity to progress and come into the presence of the Divine. Some will come into a state of heavenly grace earlier than others:

"In the human plane and kingdom man is a captive of nature and ignorant of the divine world until born of the breaths of the Holy Spirit out of physical conditions of limitation and deprivation. Then he beholds the reality of the spiritual realm and kingdom, realizes the narrow restrictions of the mere human world of existence and becomes conscious of the unlimited and infinite glories of the world of God. Therefore no matter how man may advance upon the physical and intellectual plane he is ever in need of the boundless virtues of divinity, the protection of the Holy Spirit and the face of God."

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Foundations of World Unity, p. 58


"We are able to reflect divine attributes to the extent that we cleanse the mirrors of our hearts and minds through prayer, the study and application of the Sacred Scriptures, the acquisition of knowledge, efforts to improve our conduct and to overcome tests and difficulties, and service to humanity. When death occurs in this world, the soul is separated from the body, and continues to progress in an eternal journey towards perfection."

The Human Soul | What Bahá’ís Believe

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Our scriptures say the dead know nothing, and also there is a judgement where the dammed are cut off from the living. What book do you study from?

Robban said:

In one book it says,
"Let the dead bury their dead."

How can a dead bury a dead?

But,
"When the cold mind understands, comprehends,
and is excited by a G-dly idea-------Is this not a revival from the dead?
(Rebbe)

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It is a parable meaning: "Let the spiritually dead bury their dead."