Should Christians Carry Guns?

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That "man of war" title was because he was mature in mind.
That may be true, but he was still a soldier none the less. He wasn't a little boy who decided to pick up a sling shot and kill a giant one day like you read in the children's Bible stories.
 
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More so the fear of letting down God by NOT protecting the flock. It is a responsibility that I choose to protect others out of love.
Not everyone is cut out for it I guess.
If you want to carry a gun and protect people, why don't you become a police officer or a soldier?
 
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If you want to carry a gun and protect people, why don't you become a police officer or a soldier?
Because I am a minister. I preach God's Word and that is my calling.
I don't carry to make me look big lol. I am 6ft 1in tall and 300 lbs so I am "large "
[ Hauled a lot of square bails of hay in my life] ;)
but I carry because I am an American and it's my right and my choice.
See friend, I was raised on a farm and a gun was simply a tool. We dispatched animals with them and I knew what they were used for, I was taught that a gun was used to protect the farm, The farm animals and Provide food for our table and that they were to be respected as was anything else that we used regularly.
A lot of you guys don't understand. I have ministered in prisons that have men who have NO heart. They hate everyone and reprobate. They would just as soon to kill you as look at you and some of them would eat you or tie you up and eat your children in front of you to watch you go crazy before they kill you... I am not joking here, it happened.
If you had met some of the people that I have, You would reconsider this.
 
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in America there’s a lot more armed criminals than the Philippines.
Even then, the odds of loosing your life to a criminal in your lifetime is less than 0.04% in the US. Does that really justify the need to carry a gun in public? I know there are other crimes to consider, but even then, most Americans do just fine without carrying a gun with them and a large majority of Americans don't even own a gun.
 
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Because I am a minister. I preach God's Word and that is my calling.
Same here. My ministry takes me to to one of the most dangerous places in the world for westerners, but I still don't see a need to arm myself. I have to trust that the military and local police will protect me in those regions. Some places I have an option if I want security provided which I always decline, but unfortunately in some places the local officials make it a requirement. In those cases I intentionally try to distance myself from the soldiers carrying weapons. With or without security though, the locals know how dangerous it is where they live and are always amazed to see an American walking into their villages. I often get asked if I am crazy, but that's always a good door opener for sharing the gospel and telling them who gives me the courage to visit them.

Looking in the book of Acts, it'seems preaching the Word was more important than self defense to the original disciples.

And on that day a great persecution began against the church in Jerusalem, and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles. Some devout men buried Stephen, and made loud lamentation over him. But Saul began ravaging the church, entering house after house, and dragging off men and women, he would put them in prison. Therefore, those who had been scattered went about preaching the word. (Acts 8:1-4)

I was raised on a farm and a gun was simply a tool. We dispatched animals with them and I knew what they were used for, I was taught that a gun was used to protect the farm, The farm animals and Provide food for our table and that they were to be respected as was anything else that we used regularly.
I grew up in rural NC, no farm life for me, but my father was a Marine and there were always guns in the house. I have owned guns since I was a teenager and joined the military right out of high school. Even today when I visit military camps doing ministry here in Mindanao I spend time on the range with the soldiers. I'm still a pretty good shot. Not sure what happened with that one round, but from 50 meters all the holes will fit inside a quarter.

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I have ministered in prisons that have men who have NO heart. They hate everyone and reprobate. They would just as soon to kill you as look at you and some of them would eat you or tie you up and eat your children in front of you to watch you go crazy before they kill you... I am not joking here, it happened.
If you had met some of the people that I have, You would reconsider this.
I used to work for the NC Department of Corrections as a corrections officer. I have spent quite a bit of my time interacting with the type of people you described. I not only heard some pretty horrific stories, but witnessed quite a few unpleasant things while working there.

I still have no desire nor do I feel the need to carry a gun for self defense.
 
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Same here. My ministry takes me to to one of the most dangerous places in the world for westerners, but I still don't see a need to arm myself. I have to trust that the military and local police will protect me in those regions. Some places I have an option if I want security provided which I always decline, but unfortunately in some places the local officials make it a requirement. In those cases I intentionally try to distance myself from the soldiers carrying weapons. With or without security though, the locals know how dangerous it is where they live and are always amazed to see an American walking into their villages. I often get asked if I am crazy, but that's always a good door opener for sharing the gospel and telling them who gives me the courage to visit them.

Looking in the book of Acts, it'seems preaching the Word was more important than self defense to the original disciples.

And on that day a great persecution began against the church in Jerusalem, and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles. Some devout men buried Stephen, and made loud lamentation over him. But Saul began ravaging the church, entering house after house, and dragging off men and women, he would put them in prison. Therefore, those who had been scattered went about preaching the word. (Acts 8:1-4)


I grew up in rural NC, no farm life for me, but my father was a Marine and there were always guns in the house. I have owned guns since I was a teenager and joined the military right out of high school. Even today when I visit military camps doing ministry here in Mindanao I spend time on the range with the soldiers. I'm still a pretty good shot. Not sure what happened with that one round, but from 50 meters all the holes will fit inside a quarter.

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I myself was raised in a military family. Dad was a vietnam Vet and was a Marine.
Do you know what the difference between your ministry and mine is in the eyes of everyone out there?
Not a single thing friend. No one knows that I am carrying unless they know me.
As I said early on, It is a choice and I choose to be armed.
 
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Do you know what the difference between your ministry and mine is in the eyes of everyone out there? Not a single thing friend.
These were the points in your post I was addressing:

See friend, I was raised on a farm...
A lot of you guys don't understand.
...If you had met some of the people that I have, You would reconsider this.
You quoted me and and made the assumption that those who choose not to carry a gun have never had much experience with guns, crossed paths with evil people, or faced danger. The main point of my response to that was to show that others also have extensive experience in those things and despite this, many people still don't consider carrying a gun for self defense.

No one knows that I am carrying unless they know me.
But what happens if you have to use it? Your secret will then be revealed to everyone.

For years I'm sure you have been preaching about trusting God and His Word. You may have even used verses like the ones below and many others like them in some of your sermons from time to time.

My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. (Luke 12:4)

So we can confidently say, “The Lord is my helper; I will not fear; what can man do to me?” (Hebrews 13:6)

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. (2 Timothy 1:6-7)

So if you someday make the news after pulling out a gun to defend yourself, some may ask, was his faith in what he preached all this time, or was it in what he kept in his waistband?

I'm not trying to imply this is true about you as I'm certain your faith is strong, but I'm just trying to give you an idea of where I'm coming from on this subject.

It's not about what we think when it comes to whether or not we should carry a gun, it's all about how the unbelieving world sees us. If we preach that Jesus has overcome death and a glorious reward awaits those who put their faith in Him, what message does it send to unbelievers when they see Christians walking around in public with guns? If much greater things await the Christian after they physically die, why would a Christian be carrying a gun to preserve his life here on earth?

The fear of man is a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD will be set securely on high. (Proverbs 29:25)
 
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So if you someday make the news after pulling out a gun to defend yourself, some may ask, was his faith in what he preached all this time, or was it in what he kept in his waistband?
I would much rather explain me having to shoot someone in self defense than I had go face to face with a hurting grieving mother and family asking why I didn't save her 6 year old baby and husband from a meth headed madman.
I see my decision as a God given mandate.
Jesus says feed my sheep three times. Well brother that would include protecting them as well wouldn't it?
It would seem a moot point to feed them and them open the doorway to a wolf and let him have your flock?
 
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But what happens if you have to use it? Your secret will then be revealed to everyone.

For years I'm sure you have been preaching about trusting God and His Word. You may have even used verses like the ones below and many others like them in some of your sermons from time to time.

My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. (Luke 12:4)

So we can confidently say, “The Lord is my helper; I will not fear; what can man do to me?” (Hebrews 13:6)

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. (2 Timothy 1:6-7)

So if you someday make the news after pulling out a gun to defend yourself, some may ask, was his faith in what he preached all this time, or was it in what he kept in his waistband?

There will always be people that will second guess someone's actions. However, as with all things, it depends on the situation and how it plays out. If the armed person is in a church full of people and a gunman with an AK47 walks in and starts killing people, and then the armed church member pulls out his pistol and stops the gunman, will the surviving church members be grateful to the armed church member, or will they look down on him? I'm pretty sure anyone who was in close proximity to the AK47 gunman and confident they were about to be shot in the next few seconds would be calling him a hero. Pro-gun people would be saying that this is an example of why people should be allowed to carry. Anti-gun people would say it's another example of why guns should be banned so that shootings supposedly wouldn't happen in the first place. EVERYone will have an opinion.

The bottom line is that lives will have been saved from the one who was determined to take them.
 
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Not to mention, Around here "everyone" carries a gun or two or three.
It is simply a way of life and we all have been raised with em.
If someone was to hit our church or any of the local churches I know they would be surprised at the number of barrels aimed at them. Women and men alike would stand up and face any challenge to save the brethren. I have no doubt whatsoever any of them would take a bullet for any of the brethren. I am happy to be a southern boy, Born and raised in these mountains because I was raised with morals and that is in short demand now days.
It boils down to a decision. I respect yours not to carry, Just respect mine to carry.
Don't try to take away my God given right to carry a tool that will save lives if called upon to do so.
I would rather shoot a black hearted reprobate than lose a precious sheep or one who about to accept Christ and yet doesn't get to because of a monster cutting their life short
 
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Not to mention, Around here "everyone" carries a gun or two or three.
It is simply a way of life and we all have been raised with em.
If someone was to hit our church or any of the local churches I know they would be surprised at the number of barrels aimed at them. Women and men alike would stand up and face any challenge to save the brethren. I have no doubt whatsoever any of them would take a bullet for any of the brethren. I am happy to be a southern boy, Born and raised in these mountains because I was raised with morals and that is in short demand now days.
It boils down to a decision. I respect yours not to carry, Just respect mine to carry.
Don't try to take away my God given right to carry a tool that will save lives if called upon to do so.
I would rather shoot a black hearted reprobate than lose a precious sheep or one who about to accept Christ and yet doesn't get to because of a monster cutting their life short

I've been asked, "How do you know that the gunman wouldn't have gotten saved afterward if you hadn't killed him? You took away his chance to get saved!" Of course, it could also be asked, "How do we know which people he ended up killing were saved, and which ones weren't, but could have been if they had been prevented from being killed?"
 
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I've been asked, "How do you know that the gunman wouldn't have gotten saved afterward if you hadn't killed him? You took away his chance to get saved!" Of course, it could also be asked, "How do we know which people he ended up killing were saved, and which ones weren't, but could have been if they had been prevented from being killed?"
Yes I have heard that as well but the truth is that we all have free will.
Someone can use their free will to take away someone else's free will and that is a decision that is based on a morally wrong idea.
Therefore what is morally right was what God the Israelites to obtain after they crossed the Red sea. The Israelites were told to kill everyone and everything and not to spare anyone because they were all evil and detestable and also to take the land.
Now they didn't do as they were told and so therefore evil remained and we see it today. So it seems only right to take away evils free will if it is intended to harm our good.
 
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Yes I have heard that as well but the truth is that we all have free will.
Someone can use their free will to take away someone else's free will and that is a decision that is based on a morally wrong idea.
Therefore what is morally right was what God the Israelites to obtain after they crossed the Red sea. The Israelites were told to kill everyone and everything and not to spare anyone because they were all evil and detestable and also to take the land.
Now they didn't do as they were told and so therefore evil remained and we see it today. So it seems only right to take away evils free will if it is intended to harm our good.

Especially if it's in the process of that evil, as in killing people.
 
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Scripture and verse please friend???.
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one

People find in Scripture what they want to find, for example, many people quote the verse that you have just quoted with no regard for the context of what was said.
Luke 22:35-38 New International Version (NIV)
35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. 36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That’s enough!” he replied.
All unfulfilled prophecy of Jesus and His incarnation had to be wrapped-up concerning Jesus before His death and He points this out in v.37. "He was numbered with the transgressors", who do you think those transgressors were? You can be sure that Peter's act of cutting off the High Priest's servant's ear was the transgression being alluded to. How do I know that? because Jesus says so; that was the purpose of buying swords. Immediately, in the following verses, we find Jesus in the garden and Peter doing the thing which nails him as a transgressor, and Jesus was their leader. After Peter's act Jesus turns to him and rebukes him and tells him to put away the sword and after this incident, we never again hear of any of the Disciples ever owning or using any kind of weapons. The key to understanding is to consider the context, consider parallel text, consider examples, consider the known spirit of Christ and Christianity. Any construction interpretation in which these things concur is sound. any other is probably in error.
 
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If someone was to hit our church or any of the local churches I know they would be surprised at the number of barrels aimed at them. Women and men alike would stand up and face any challenge to save the brethren. I have no doubt whatsoever any of them would take a bullet for any of the brethren.
Do you think those same church members would be willing to take a bullet for the brethren in an active shooter situation if they didn't have a gun? How many do you think would crouch down in fear behind the pews instead?
 
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Do you think David carried his sling wherever he went? According to scripture he did.
Im trying to keep up with you on the scriptures, but the truth is, I see a way to eternal life when reading the stories of David. I see spiritual event that have and must take place, not anything to justified my doing anything in the flesh.

That being said, you need no justification. You have free will to lead the life you desire. You have a garden to sow, and sow you shall....and you must reap what you have sown. And no one should make you feel bad for the seeds you decide to sow.

I hope that you would also give the same courtesy to those who wish to sow seeds of peace and harmony as well.
 
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David didn’t find the sling laying on the ground he brought it with him. He carried it because he was a shepherd and shepherds often used slings to ward off wolves and other predators.
So is this your point: "David carried a sling to protect sheep and kill goliath, Therefore, I should carry a gun to protect family and good people around me?" If this is the message you see in scripture, I say go for it, until you are able to see more.
 
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So is this your point: "David carried a sling to protect sheep and kill goliath, Therefore, I should carry a gun to protect family and good people around me?" If this is the message you see in scripture, I say go for it, until you are able to see more.

I pray I never need it.
 
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So is this your point: "David carried a sling to protect sheep and kill goliath, Therefore, I should carry a gun to protect family and good people around me?" If this is the message you see in scripture, I say go for it, until you are able to see more.

Is your problem with the gun itself? That's a distinction you seem to be making. Suppose people started carrying slings and rocks instead? Would that eliminate your issue with "relying on the flesh"? They can be as deadly as a gun. Just ask Goliath.
 
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Is your problem with the gun itself? That's a distinction you seem to be making. Suppose people started carrying slings and rocks instead? Would that eliminate your issue with "relying on the flesh"? They can be as deadly as a gun. Just ask Goliath.
I have no problems. Can we all sow our gardens without the pressure from others to have our gardens look like theirs? I dont like eggplant, but does that mean that I should tell you that you shouldn't plant them....or that you are wrong to plant them? Should I look at you in disgust and disbelief that you would plant them?

Im content with you sowing your own garden with whatever seeds you like to plant......knowing that only you can reap the harvest thereof. Is it ok for you, that I sow my own seeds as well? I choose not to live by the gun. Is that ok with you? It is ok with me if you choose to live by it. Is it upsetting to you to hear the voice of one with an opposite view of yours......even when they find no fault in your view?

no need to try and justify your actions with the bible. Sow your garden and reap your harvest.....it doesnt really matter what others think about what you've sown.
 
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