Should Christians Carry Guns?

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You're assuming this. If I were armed when I left the house, I am no more having "battles and fights" in my mind any more than I'm having vehicle breakdowns on my mind when I drive my car with a spare tire in the trunk or emergency supplies in the back seat. When I carry a flashlight in my pocket, I don't have constant thoughts and fears of tripping on something in the dark and falling down and breaking my neck. If I wear a helmet while riding a bike, I don't have a traumatic brain injury in my mind when I go bicycling.
Im not assuming anything.....you continue to liken your carrying of guns to people who carried weapons into wars and battles in the bible.

If you do not want to be viewed as carrying your weapon into war, or into a planned battle, please find and use examples in the bible where the carrier carried for protection, with no eminent threat.
 
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Carrying a weapon to stores, church and around the malls, "just in case I might need it," Is not akin to david bringing a weapon to a known battle to fight a known opponent.
Do you think David carried his sling wherever he went? According to scripture he did.
 
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This can be proved easily by any first-year Bible student, unload your gun and unpack your stones David and go read the New Document
Scripture and verse please friend???.
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one
 
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Was David a civilian?
In the beginning he was just a shepherd boy. No different than me out with the cows all day. I had a 22, He had a sling. [ I am positive he would have rather had my 22]
To you guys Gun control is
The theory that becoming a victim is somehow morally superior to defending oneself and their family.
I do not understand this.
 
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I carry my handgun because there are bad people in the world. I am not carrying because of the good.
The last thing I would want is to have to use it, But I will if I am put into that position because in my reasoning, Taking out a "dark minded person" May save those who haven't yet made their choice to accept God.
Now If I let the "dark mind" kill us all by just standing there, Then I personally have just sent the innocents to HELL early by my lack of discernment, because they had not accepted Christ as of yet.
You see my point?
 
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"gun-toting Christian badasses"

Sounds like Clint Eastwood with a "WWJD" tattoo...

I'm about as far away from being a badass as it's possible to get.
Little kids all like me because I look like their Grandpa.
 
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In the beginning he was just a shepherd boy. No different than me out with the cows all day.
David was already serving Saul and was an armor bearer prior to defeating Goliath which would make him a soldier. He still spent some time with the sheep though.

David came to Saul and entered his service. And Saul loved him greatly, and he became his armor-bearer. (1 Samuel 16:21)...but David went back and forth from Saul to feed his father’s sheep at Bethlehem. (1 Samuel 17:15)
 
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David was already serving Saul and was an armor bearer prior to defeating Goliath which would make him a soldier.

David came to Saul and entered his service. And Saul loved him greatly, and he became his armor-bearer. (1 Samuel 16:21)...but David went back and forth from Saul to feed his father’s sheep at Bethlehem. (1 Samuel 17:15)
Lol, He couldn't bear the armor because it was to heavy. He had been sent to take sandwiches to his brothers and he begged to take on this giant because he had faith.
He didn't use a soldiers sword, He used his trusty sling and then cut off Goliath's head with his own sword.
Look at this faith he had. It was based of common horse sense. He went prepared for anything. even 4 extra stones :]
Which in my case is an extra mag.
 
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So fear of bad people is what drives you to carry a gun?
More so the fear of letting down God by NOT protecting the flock. It is a responsibility that I choose to protect others out of love.
Not everyone is cut out for it I guess.
 
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Carrying a weapon to stores, church and around the malls, "just in case I might need it," Is not akin to david bringing a weapon to a known battle to fight a known opponent.

David didn’t find the sling laying on the ground he brought it with him. He carried it because he was a shepherd and shepherds often used slings to ward off wolves and other predators.
 
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As Christians we are called to value the image of God in the lives of others even as we protect the weak and vulnerable (Ps. 82:3-4; Prov. 31:8-9; Isa. 1:17; 1 Tim. 5:8). In some cases the defense of the weak may require intervention with an attacker. Though undesirable, this action could prevent further loss of life.

In both testaments we see example of believers taking steps to defend themselves, even arming themselves, in the face of potential danger. In Exodus 22:2-3 we see God speak to the acceptability of defending one’s home against a thief. In Nehemiah 4:16-18 when the city was being rebuilt the men divided the labor in such a way that some took up spears, shields, and bows while others worked. Those who carried the loads or built the wall did so with their weapon readily available. Jesus himself instructed his disciples to sell their cloak and buy swords (Lk. 27:36). Furthermore, Jesus regularly used word pictures and stories about self-defense in order to make a broader spiritual point (Lk. 11:21; Mt. 12:29). The biblical narratives seem to assume the right of sober self-defense.

We recognize that this is a sensitive issue of conscience for many, and that grace and love must characterize this conversation. We also are convinced that any such self-defense must be considered as a last resort and in response to a reasonable threat. The same principle of valuing the image of God in others that drives us to protect the weak among us also compels us to a careful and measured response.
 
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Lol, He couldn't bear the armor because it was to heavy. He had been sent to take sandwiches to his brothers and he begged to take on this giant because he had faith.
He didn't use a soldiers sword, He used his trusty sling and then cut off Goliath's head with his own sword.
David was most likely in his teens, far from a small boy who couldn't carry armor. There are child soldiers here in Mindanao as young as 12, the days of having to carry around armor are long gone, but they are soldiers none the less.

David is described as a man, in fact a man of war, here:

“Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him.” (1 Samuel 16:18)

And a youth here:

“And Saul said to David, Thou art not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him: for thou art but a youth, and he a man of war from his youth.” (1 Samuel 17:33)

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David was fully capable of being a soldier and according to 1 Samuel 16:21, he was serving in a military position prior to his fight with Goliath. A sling is just one of many weapons during that point in history and would undoubtedly be used by soldiers in that time period.
 
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As Christians we are called to value the image of God in the lives of others even as we protect the weak and vulnerable (Ps. 82:3-4; Prov. 31:8-9; Isa. 1:17; 1 Tim. 5:8). In some cases the defense of the weak may require intervention with an attacker. Though undesirable, this action could prevent further loss of life.

In both testaments we see example of believers taking steps to defend themselves, even arming themselves, in the face of potential danger. In Exodus 22:2-3 we see God speak to the acceptability of defending one’s home against a thief. In Nehemiah 4:16-18 when the city was being rebuilt the men divided the labor in such a way that some took up spears, shields, and bows while others worked. Those who carried the loads or built the wall did so with their weapon readily available. Jesus himself instructed his disciples to sell their cloak and buy swords (Lk. 27:36). Furthermore, Jesus regularly used word pictures and stories about self-defense in order to make a broader spiritual point (Lk. 11:21; Mt. 12:29). The biblical narratives seem to assume the right of sober self-defense.

We recognize that this is a sensitive issue of conscience for many, and that grace and love must characterize this conversation. We also are convinced that any such self-defense must be considered as a last resort and in response to a reasonable threat. The same principle of valuing the image of God in others that drives us to protect the weak among us also compels us to a careful and measured response.

I agree our first line of defense should be to flee or escape provided that we do not leave someone else behind to suffer harm.
 
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David was most likely in his teens, far from a small boy who couldn't carry armor. There are child soldiers here in Mindanao as young as 12, the days of having to carry around armor are long gone, but they are soldiers none the less.

David is described as a man here:

“Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him.” (1 Samuel 16:18)

And a youth here:

“And Saul said to David, Thou art not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him: for thou art but a youth, and he a man of war from his youth.” (1 Samuel 17:33)

youth
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1.the period between childhood and adult age.
2.a young man
Some synonyms:early years, early life, young days, teens, teenage years, adolescence, preadolescence, young adulthood,

David was fully capable of being a soldier and according to 1 Samuel 16:21, he was serving in a military position prior to his fight with Goliath. A sling is just one of many weapons during that point in history and would undoubtedly be used by soldiers in that time period.

Many children in Mindanao carry a gun. That’s why it’s such a dangerous place because the guns are mostly owned by criminals and Muslim extremists.
 
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Many children in Mindanao carry a gun. That’s why it’s such a dangerous place because the guns are mostly owned by criminals and Muslim extremists.
And despite those dangers, I chose not to carry a gun. While there are laws against it for foreigners, there are exceptions that can be made and I would carry one if I were afraid.
 
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David was most likely in his teens, far from a small boy who couldn't carry armor. There are child soldiers here in Mindanao as young as 12, the days of having to carry around armor are long gone, but they are soldiers none the less.

David is described as a man, in fact a man of war, here:

“Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him.” (1 Samuel 16:18)

And a youth here:

“And Saul said to David, Thou art not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him: for thou art but a youth, and he a man of war from his youth.” (1 Samuel 17:33)

youth
noun
1.the period between childhood and adult age.
2.a young man
Some synonyms:early years, early life, young days, teens, teenage years, adolescence, preadolescence, young adulthood,

David was fully capable of being a soldier and according to 1 Samuel 16:21, he was serving in a military position prior to his fight with Goliath. A sling is just one of many weapons during that point in history and would undoubtedly be used by soldiers in that time period.
That "man of war" title was because he was mature in mind.
 
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