Can it be that Space is the Holy Spirit?

TimMcCollum · Jan 21, 2019

I am a believer, but I did not know where else to post this topic.

I must first quote Genesis 1:1
Space had to exist before anything else could exist.

Then there's John 14:15-17
Specifically, when Jesus speaks of the Spirit being unseen and dwelling within us. As we all hopefully know by now, we are over 99% Space. It's a being that we exist inside of, and touches all beings. She guides me whilst I write at this moment.

Finally, in 1 Samuel 10:9-10 the Spirit touched Saul's heart. I've felt this before, and I know I'm not alone. It's an intense feeling that draws us to do something, and I couldn't imagine Space not having something to do with it. It would make so much more sense that Space is a "living" being who helps God fulfill His desires.

What do you think about this?

Lost4words · Jan 21, 2019

Soul. Its about our soul, not space.

TimMcCollum · Jan 21, 2019

I thought that too, at first. In 1 Corinthians 12:13 it says we are all born again in 1 spirit. If it referenced to every soul, then this wouldn't make sense.

Monk Brendan · Jan 21, 2019

TimMcCollum said:
I am a believer, but I did not know where else to post this topic.

I must first quote Genesis 1:1
Space had to exist before anything else could exist.

Then there's John 14:15-17
Specifically, when Jesus speaks of the Spirit being unseen and dwelling within us. As we all hopefully know by now, we are over 99% Space. It's a being that we exist inside of, and touches all beings. She guides me whilst I write at this moment.

Finally, in 1 Samuel 10:9-10 the Spirit touched Saul's heart. I've felt this before, and I know I'm not alone. It's an intense feeling that draws us to do something, and I couldn't imagine Space not having something to do with it. It would make so much more sense that Space is a "living" being who helps God fulfill His desires.

What do you think about this?

Space is created. The Holy Spirit, being God, is totally UNcreated.

Albion · Jan 21, 2019

Hi, Tim.

First, if the HS is in us, it is not that he occupies the space between our cells. It means that he is with us and in a non-physical way--which I think you would agree with.

Second, the HS also is described in the Bible as leading the church and keeping it on track (or produces intense feelings as you mentioned), so how does empty space do that?

Third, the Bible speaks of the HS by using personal pronouns, so the idea that he is not living seems wrong for that reason alone.

TimMcCollum · Jan 21, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
Space is created. The Holy Spirit, being God, is totally UNcreated.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all God, but through different beings. I'm specifying the Holy Spirit in this case.

Albion · Jan 21, 2019

TimMcCollum said:
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all God, but through different beings. I'm specifying the Holy Spirit in this case.

I think the point there might have been that you are identifying the HS with space which we can identify with our senses, but nothing like that is associated with the Father or the Son, although all three are the same God.

TimMcCollum · Jan 21, 2019

Albion said:
Hi, Tim.

First, if the HS is in us, it is not that he occupies the space between our cells. It means that he is with us and in a non-physical way--which I think you would agree with.

Second, the HS also is described in the Bible as leading the church and keeping it on track (or produces intense feelings as you mentioned), so how does empty space do that?

Third, the Bible speaks of the HS by using personal pronouns, so the idea that he is not living seems wrong for that reason alone.

I can't agree with you more that the Holy Spirit exists with us in a non-physical way. Space can't be explained, such as asking you what color is Space.

Great question! I hang onto the fact that it's possible for It to be more than we can understand at a glance.

In fact, I think it's a living being, which, if this is the case, would mean it has sovereignty as God does.

TimMcCollum · Jan 21, 2019

Albion said:
I think the point there might have been that you are identifying the HS with space which we can identify with our senses, but nothing like that is associated with the Father or the Son, although all three are the same God.

There lies the question. Can we identify It?

Albion · Jan 21, 2019

TimMcCollum said:
I can't agree with you more that the Holy Spirit exists with us in a non-physical way. Space can't be explained, such as asking you what color is Space.

Yes, but space can be comprehended by us. It is colorless, wouldn't you say? And much about it is known to us scientifically. Nothing like that holds true of the other two persons of God whom we simply say "always were." And I do think the other persons here had a point, feeling that space has some boundaries or that within it objects are to be found, etc., all of which is more than just nothingness.

TimMcCollum · Jan 21, 2019

Albion said:
Yes, but space can be comprehended by us... And much about it is known to us scientifically. Nothing like that holds true of the other two persons of God whom we simply say "always were."...

I should note that Einstein's theory of general relativity doesn't make sense to me. I can't comprehend a big bang. It makes much more sense for Space to have always existed. The beginning days of Genesis, I believe, were used to help less sophisticated people understand His glory. God created everything, but for them to try and conceive of a forever would be too much. I also find it hard to believe that we understand Space at all. We have many theories, but not everyone agrees as to what it is or where it came from.

TimMcCollum · Jan 21, 2019

Albion said:
It is colorless, wouldn't you say?

And this is the obvious answer, but how can it be that a physical something can be colorless?

Albion · Jan 21, 2019

TimMcCollum said:
I also find it hard to believe that we understand Space at all. We have many theories, but not everyone agrees as to what it is or where it came from.

Okay, but I think the rest of us here just don't see any very good reason to equate the third person of the Trinity with space.

Halbhh · Jan 21, 2019

TimMcCollum said:
I am a believer, but I did not know where else to post this topic.

I must first quote Genesis 1:1
Space had to exist before anything else could exist.

Then there's John 14:15-17
Specifically, when Jesus speaks of the Spirit being unseen and dwelling within us. As we all hopefully know by now, we are over 99% Space. It's a being that we exist inside of, and touches all beings. She guides me whilst I write at this moment.

Finally, in 1 Samuel 10:9-10 the Spirit touched Saul's heart. I've felt this before, and I know I'm not alone. It's an intense feeling that draws us to do something, and I couldn't imagine Space not having something to do with it. It would make so much more sense that Space is a "living" being who helps God fulfill His desires.

What do you think about this?

Hello and welcome to CF!

By 'space' I think you mean all the unknown reality around and through us and throughout all the Universe, that which in physics we'd call 'physics' (physics is simply the laws of nature, how nature works, and thus all that happens from those laws is the Universe we see, and including what we can't see also).

There is suggestive language at times in the Bible that seems to be suggesting that God maintains this Universe. (or maintains it's intergrity, being, underlying law or action, or foundation)

That is, this physics, then.

What you've called 'space' in your post.

Many think that in the beginning when God created the Universe (the 'heavens') He did so with a Word (the big bang resulting possibly to this Word). And this is already suggestive also in a way that He maintains (or continues) this....universe/reality/physics, it being His Word of creation realized. Further, we read in Revelations that He will replace this heaven and Earth with a new heaven and new Earth, again suggesting He can sweep away the old (as if just to suddenly undo or remake?), and replace it!

Albion · Jan 21, 2019

TimMcCollum said:
And this is the obvious answer, but how can it be that a physical something can be colorless?

Air seems to be.

TimMcCollum · Jan 21, 2019

Albion said:
Okay, but I think the rest of us here just don't see any very good reason to equate the third person of the Trinity with space.

When you can look into Space, and thank God for It, you will see. Until then, it's just words on paper. Peace to you my friend.

Radagast · Jan 21, 2019

TimMcCollum said:
Can it be that Space is the Holy Spirit?

No. Why would you think that? Space is created. Space is not God. Space is not one of the Persons of the Trinity.

TimMcCollum · Jan 21, 2019

Halbhh said:
Hello and welcome to CF!

By 'space' I think you mean all the unknown reality around and through us and throughout all the Universe, that which in physics we'd call 'physics' (physics is simply the laws of nature, how nature works, and thus all that happens from those laws is the Universe we see, and including what we can't see also).

There is suggestive language at times in the Bible that seems to be suggesting that God maintains this Universe. (or maintains it's intergrity, being, underlying law or action, or foundation)

That is, this physics, then.

What you've called 'space' in your post.

Many think that in the beginning when God created the Universe (the 'heavens') He did so with a Word (the big bang resulting possibly to this Word). And this is already suggestive also in a way that He maintains (or continues) this....universe/reality/physics, it being His Word of creation realized. Further, we read in Revelations that He will replace this heaven and Earth with a new heaven and new Earth, again suggesting He can sweep away the old (as if just to suddenly undo or remake?), and replace it!

You may begin to see what I mean when I say that Space is the one thing that allows everything. It is the zero that allows an infinite infinities. You are right in saying that it dictates "physics" (I quote because we as humans still don't know or fully understand these phenomena.) To believe it doesn't have any theological significance is missing so much, in my opinion.

TimMcCollum · Jan 21, 2019

Albion said:
Air seems to be.

But even the molecules that make air give off a small amount of energy, color.

TimMcCollum · Jan 21, 2019

Radagast said:
No. Why would you think that? Space is created. Space is not God. Space is not one of the Persons of the Trinity.

Imagine the universe, with all the matter inside. Where all the planets, stars, and energy they produce reside. Take the matter away, what remains? Even the energy can't continue to gain or elicit more energy. There is nothing left, Space. Now imagine the universe with all the matter inside and take Space away. What remains?

How could God not have value in Space? It touches everything. It's one thing, one "solid" piece of something that allows everything. Think before you jump to conclusions, no offense.

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