Why do intellectually superior humans have around 7,000 distinct languages?

Justatruthseeker · Jan 19, 2019

You all are still arguing about radiometric dating when "God stretched out the heavens" and yet no one wants to take time dilation into account?

Not very scientific on either side. One is afraid science will prove them right, the other is afraid science will prove them wrong, and so everyone ignores clocks and decay rates slow in an accelerating universe.....

Justatruthseeker · Jan 19, 2019

JackRT said:
You mean like a worldwide flood?

73% of the earth's surface is sedimentary layers. Has more support for it than you got against it......

dad · Jan 19, 2019

JackRT said:
You mean like a worldwide flood?

No. The flood is sealed true because it is in Scripture. There are also the various flood stories carried down in the world. Jesus rose from the dead and He verified that the bible is to be very very very very very much believed.

Looking at the first civilizations like Greece and Egypt and Sumer we can also say that the flood and Babel really do make sense as the best explanation.

dad · Jan 19, 2019

Justatruthseeker said:
You all are still arguing about radiometric dating when "God stretched out the heavens" and yet no one wants to take time dilation into account?

Not very scientific on either side. One is afraid science will prove them right, the other is afraid science will prove them wrong, and so everyone ignores clocks and decay rates slow in an accelerating universe.....

How does that apply to what radioactive decay was or was not like specifically on earth?

Colter · Jan 19, 2019

dad said:
The OP title is a quote from answers in Genesis

"“Why do intellectually superior humans have around 7,000 distinct languages?” queries evolutionary biologist Mark Pagel. Pagel heads a team searching for an evolutionary explanation for our many languages. The biblical history of the dispersion from the tower of Babel indicates that diversity of language emerged from the area of “a plain in the land of Shinar.”

Tower of Babel

The simplest and best explanation for languages and where man started is the bible!

Another interesting fact is how major kingdoms started at Babel, Babylon was started about 13 years after the birth of Peleg according to AIG! Then Egypt some aprox 60 years after Peleg's birth! This makes sense since Egypt is further away. Then even further we have Greece, which the same article says got going about 160 years after the birth of Peleg. Finally, the article places the tower of Babel at the time when Peleg was five years old!

In the Days of Peleg

The best and most accurate answers are in the bible about creation and history.

AIG is the special Olympics of science.

Colter · Jan 19, 2019

dad said:
No. The flood is sealed true because it is in Scripture. There are also the various flood stories carried down in the world. Jesus rose from the dead and He verified that the bible is to be very very very very very much believed.

Looking at the first civilizations like Greece and Egypt and Sumer we can also say that the flood and Babel really do make sense as the best explanation.

The flood was invented by the Israelites and the Bible was written by religious men who were writing a childrens level book for the average bronze age sheep herder.

No other culture remembers great grandpa Noah or being related to the Jews in any way. Only the people who invented the flood myth seem to remember.

dad · Jan 20, 2019

Colter said:
AIG is the special Olympics of science.

You thought it was 'of' science? Now as far as AIG citing historical documents, that is a sound endeavor.

dad · Jan 20, 2019

Colter said:
The flood was invented by the Israelites and the Bible was written by religious men who were writing a childrens level book for the average bronze age sheep herder.

So Jesus was wrong to say Scripture was correct? You have the secret knowledge it is wrong? No. You sure don't.

The flood stories of the world can pre date Israel by the way. Israel came to exist way after Babel.

No other culture remembers great grandpa Noah or being related to the Jews in any way. Only the people who invented the flood myth seem to remember.

You thought that the peoples of the world who had fought God and rebelled and gone as far away from Him as they could would have some memory of their forefathers plunge into delusion and lies? No. If God thought the rejectors and haters could keep a good and true and honest record, He would not have bothered setting up a whole nation who specialized in doing that! We have the record and that record we know is true, not only because it was proven in thousands of ways, but because it was sealed by the blood and death and Resurrection of Jesus.

Bungle_Bear · Jan 20, 2019

Never mind

Colter · Jan 20, 2019

dad said:
So Jesus was wrong to say Scripture was correct? You have the secret knowledge it is wrong? No. You sure don't.

The flood stories of the world can pre date Israel by the way. Israel came to exist way after Babel.

You thought that the peoples of the world who had fought God and rebelled and gone as far away from Him as they could would have some memory of their forefathers plunge into delusion and lies? No. If God thought the rejectors and haters could keep a good and true and honest record, He would not have bothered setting up a whole nation who specialized in doing that! We have the record and that record we know is true, not only because it was proven in thousands of ways, but because it was sealed by the blood and death and Resurrection of Jesus.

If there had been a flood like the one the Hebrews invented, all the other cultures would have perished! There would be anyone to remember a flood! Do you think this stuff through????

It was the will of the devil that the message of Jesus be rejected and he be killed!

Jesus never said God wrote the scripture or that is was perfect. He selected some spiritual truths from the scripture but never endorsed the scripture as the infallible Word of God.

Jesus was a new beginning, we were to become like little children in trusting the new gospel. He warned us not to put the new wine into the old wineskins, or sew the new cloth onto the old.

It doesn't require any secret knowledge to figure out that the flood story is a vast exaggeration on the part of the Hebrew priest who were rewriting the history of the Israelites.

* God has never regretted anything he has done, is doing or will ever do!
* The flood didn't even work, the world is just as messed up as it ever was!

dad · Jan 20, 2019

Colter said:
If there had been a flood like the one the Hebrews invented, all the other cultures would have perished! There would be anyone to remember a flood! Do you think this stuff through????

Everyone else did perish but the 8 people on the ark. Other cultures are post flood.

It was the will of the devil that the message of Jesus be rejected and he be killed!

It was also the will of God, that He die and rise again and that His message be the only message on earth one day.

Jesus never said God wrote the scripture or that is was perfect.

Seems to me Jesus actually said this...

Mt 5:48 - ....as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. He also said this

Mt 5:17 - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

And this

Mt 5:18 -For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus confirmed Moses was real and that the law God gave him was valid, and went on to give us a new deal also.

He selected some spiritual truths from the scripture but never endorsed the scripture as the infallible Word of God.

Actually the new testament constantly points out how He fulfilled Scripture and how Scripture is from God and totally endorsed, lock stock and jot and tittle.

Jesus was a new beginning, we were to become like little children in trusting the new gospel. He warned us not to put the new wine into the old wineskins, or sew the new cloth onto the old.

The wine spoken of was not Scripture. He was talking to the rigid, made up minds of the killer Pharisees.

It doesn't require any secret knowledge to figure out that the flood story is a vast exaggeration on the part of the Hebrew priest who were rewriting the history of the Israelites.

It requires rejecting Jesus, so no thanks. I accept what He confirmed was true and sacred and protected by God.

* God has never regretted anything he has done, is doing or will ever do!

Yet He said He was not happy about the way man turned out after the fall.

* The flood didn't even work, the world is just as messed up as it ever was!

The flood was not meant to cure sin or solve the problems of man caused by sin. The flood was a way of dealing with the wicked, that got too wicked. Same thing with Sodom. Same thing with Pharaoh in Egypt. Basically the same thing in all history! One empire comes along, then later another wicked kingdom allowed to take over..etc. Good news though, He is coming to fix it all soon!

Colter · Jan 20, 2019

dad said:
Everyone else did perish but the 8 people on the ark. Other cultures are post flood.
It was also the will of God, that He die and rise again and that His message be the only message on earth one day.

Seems to me Jesus actually said this...

Mt 5:48 - ....as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. He also said this

Mt 5:17 - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

And this

Mt 5:18 -For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus confirmed Moses was real and that the law God gave him was valid, and went on to give us a new deal also.

Actually the new testament constantly points out how He fulfilled Scripture and how Scripture is from God and totally endorsed, lock stock and jot and tittle.

The wine spoken of was not Scripture. He was talking to the rigid, made up minds of the killer Pharisees.

It requires rejecting Jesus, so no thanks. I accept what He confirmed was true and sacred and protected by God.

Yet He said He was not happy about the way man turned out after the fall.
The flood was not meant to cure sin or solve the problems of man caused by sin. The flood was a way of dealing with the wicked, that got too wicked. Same thing with Sodom. Same thing with Pharaoh in Egypt. Basically the same thing in all history! One empire comes along, then later another wicked kingdom allowed to take over..etc. Good news though, He is coming to fix it all soon!

The flood was a way for the Israelites to attempt to connect their bloodlines to Adam and Eve. Being unable to do so they decided to exaggerate a locally known flood legend and expand it to drown the whole earth.

God allowed Satan to fool the whole world, he allowed the Jews to kill his Son. Allowing religious men to write inaccurate scripture is easy to believe.

Not happy with the way man turned out after the fall???? According to the story, he allowed the devil to fool the whole world. Your explanation doesn't hold water....no pun intended.

There is no record in Egypt of any Pharaoh following escaping slaves between divided walls of water and drowning. That's another exaggeration.

The Bible also erroneously taught that Jesus was "soon to return", another false teaching, that was 2000+ years ago.

While the Bible books reference many events that are true, it also contains much that is not true.

dad · Jan 20, 2019

Colter said:
The flood was a way for the Israelites to attempt to connect their bloodlines to Adam and Eve. Being unable to do so they decided to exaggerate a locally known flood legend and expand it to drown the whole earth.

Interesting anti Semitic conspiracy theory. Proof? I suspect you just make stuff up that suits your bias.

God allowed Satan to fool the whole world, he allowed the Jews to kill his Son. Allowing religious men to write inaccurate scripture is easy to believe.

No. God called us out of the world and ensured we need not be fooled.

Not happy with the way man turned out after the fall???? According to the story, he allowed the devil to fool the whole world. Your explanation doesn't hold water....no pun intended.

The world refers basically to the unsaved.

There is no record in Egypt of any Pharaoh following escaping slaves between divided walls of water and drowning. That's another exaggeration.

That makes sense, why would a proud nation advertise that they got the heeby jeebies knocked out of them?

The Bible also erroneously taught that Jesus was "soon to return", another false teaching, that was 2000+ years ago.

The bible also taught that many signs would precede that event. If He returned on your idea of time, He would have been a liar.

While the Bible books reference many events that are true, it also contains much that is not true.

Only man's ability to recognize what is true skews his understanding of the truth!

Colter · Jan 21, 2019

dad said:
Interesting anti Semitic conspiracy theory. Proof? I suspect you just make stuff up that suits your bias.

No. God called us out of the world and ensured we need not be fooled.
The world refers basically to the unsaved.

That makes sense, why would a proud nation advertise that they got the heeby jeebies knocked out of them?

The bible also taught that many signs would precede that event. If He returned on your idea of time, He would have been a liar.

Only man's ability to recognize what is true skews his understanding of the truth!

You asked for proof of the rewriting and exaggeration of the Bible by the Israelites. There has been much written by scholars about the errors and inconsistencies of the scriptures, but Bible worshipers are incapable of being honest about it.

I will include just a few:

How many fighting men were found in Israel?

Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

2 Samuel 24:9 (KJVA)
9And Jo´ab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men.
Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
- Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
- Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
  
  1 Kings 7:26 (KJVA)
  
  And it was a handbreadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths.
  
  2 Chronicles 4:5 (KJVA)
  
  And the thickness of it was a handbreadth, and the brim of it like the work of the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies; and it received and held three thousand baths.
  Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
  Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)
  
  Genesis 2:17 (KJVA)
  
  but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
  
  Genesis 5:5 (KJVA)
  
  and all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

dad · Jan 21, 2019

Colter said:
You asked for proof of the rewriting and exaggeration of the Bible by the Israelites. There has been much written by scholars about the errors and inconsistencies of the scriptures, but Bible worshipers are incapable of being honest about it.

I will include just a few:

How many fighting men were found in Israel?

Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

Basically here we have an account of men reporting to a king how many soldiers there were available.

Seeing how men behaved in the bible, I would not expect that they would all report things perfectly honestly to a king! Could the rules have changed to where they only wanted men of a certain age reported? There are many things we don't know, and I like that the bible simply tells it like it was! 'here is what the captain reported to the king'

That was not some message from God. That is a record in God's word of things man said and did.

Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

Click to expand...

Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)

Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

- "1 Kings 7:26, it is said to hold only two thousand baths. As this book was written after the Babylonish captivity, it is very possible that reference is here made to the Babylonish bath which might have been less than the Jewish. We have already seen that the cubit of Moses, or of the ancient Hebrews, was longer than the Babylonish by one palm; see on 2 Chronicles 3:3. It might be the same with the measures of capacity; so that two thousand of the ancient Jewish baths might have been equal to three thousand of those used after the captivity. The Targum cuts the knot by saying, "It received three thousand baths of dry measure, and held two thousand of liquid measure."
- 2 Chronicles - Chapter 4 - Adam Clarke Commentary on StudyLight.org
- Trying to instill doubt about things like this is really playing on ignorance.
  Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
  Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)
  Click to expand...
  Again, playing on ignorance of what death is all about.http://bibles.org/eng-AMP/2Chr/13/2
Straining at nats and swallowing camels.

Colter · Jan 21, 2019

dad said:
Basically here we have an account of men reporting to a king how many soldiers there were available.

Seeing how men behaved in the bible, I would not expect that they would all report things perfectly honestly to a king! Could the rules have changed to where they only wanted men of a certain age reported? There are many things we don't know, and I like that the bible simply tells it like it was! 'here is what the captain reported to the king'

That was not some message from God. That is a record in God's word of things man said and did.

"1 Kings 7:26, it is said to hold only two thousand baths. As this book was written after the Babylonish captivity, it is very possible that reference is here made to the Babylonish bath which might have been less than the Jewish. We have already seen that the cubit of Moses, or of the ancient Hebrews, was longer than the Babylonish by one palm; see on 2 Chronicles 3:3. It might be the same with the measures of capacity; so that two thousand of the ancient Jewish baths might have been equal to three thousand of those used after the captivity. The Targum cuts the knot by saying, "It received three thousand baths of dry measure, and held two thousand of liquid measure."

2 Chronicles - Chapter 4 - Adam Clarke Commentary on StudyLight.org

Trying to instill doubt about things like this is really playing on ignorance.

Again, playing on ignorance of what death is all about.

Straining at nats and swallowing camels.

I didn't think that you would be able to honest about these obvious errors.

Men wrote and rewrote the Bible. It became a fetish and an idol to Bible worshipers. Things like Noah's flood are not believed on face value, they are believed because they are in the fetish book.

Its better to approach the Bible through faith in God rather than God through faith in the Bible.

I don't "doubt God" I'm suspicious of the ridiculous stories written by the kind of church frauds that killed Jesus.

dad · Jan 21, 2019

Colter said:
I didn't think that you would be able to honest about these obvious errors.

Men wrote and rewrote the Bible. It became a fetish and an idol to Bible worshipers. Things like Noah's flood are not believed on face value, they are believed because they are in the fetish book.

Its better to approach the Bible through faith in God rather than God through faith in the Bible.

I don't "doubt God" I'm suspicious of the ridiculous stories written by the kind of church frauds that killed Jesus.

There is no error. There is doubts based on willful ignorance. I suspect that when we look at what men said, there were reasons they said it. God doesn't cover up the weaknesses and sins of man.

Colter · Jan 23, 2019

dad said:
There is no error. There is doubts based on willful ignorance. I suspect that when we look at what men said, there were reasons they said it. God doesn't cover up the weaknesses and sins of man.

Believing the flood story requires "willful ignorance". Its no different than the flat earth sect. If the flood story wasn't in the bible and someone just found it in a cave, then it would naturally be discounted for the laughing stock that it is. Much of the edited history of the Israelites was exaggerated. The actual secular history books that are cited by the scriptures vanished because the scripture authors destroyed them.

dad · Jan 23, 2019

Colter said:
Believing the flood story requires "willful ignorance".

Not true. Not only am I NOT ignoring God and Scripture and historical patterns of migration and population and legends of a flood, but I am not ignoring anything known to science whatsoever in any way.

What I am overruling and exposing and demanding people ignore is the feeble and utterly baseless fables of falsely called science.

Its no different than the flat earth sect.

Babel and the flood have zero to do with the deliquent misrepresentation of ancient wisdom that claims the bible and all men thought the world was flat. Utterly ridiculous and it would need to get a ladder to look up to an old wive's tale!

If the flood story wasn't in the bible and someone just found it in a cave, then it would naturally be discounted for the laughing stock that it is.

Too bad your dream scenario is wrong eh? The bible confirms the flood events six ways from Sunday.

The bible itself is confirmed a million ways.

Your rejection of Scripture for NO reason is tantamount to someone claiming spirits of any sort never existed and that all history is a lie.

Much of the edited history of the Israelites was exaggerated. The actual secular history books that are cited by the scriptures vanished because the scripture authors destroyed them.

We can add that to your stack of bizarre and twisted conspiracy theories I guess.

Colter · Jan 23, 2019

dad said:
Not true. Not only am I NOT ignoring God and Scripture and historical patterns of migration and population and legends of a flood, but I am not ignoring anything known to science whatsoever in any way.

What I am overruling and exposing and demanding people ignore is the feeble and utterly baseless fables of falsely called science.

Babel and the flood have zero to do with the deliquent misrepresentation of ancient wisdom that claims the bible and all men thought the world was flat. Utterly ridiculous and it would need to get a ladder to look up to an old wive's tale!

Too bad your dream scenario is wrong eh? The bible confirms the flood events six ways from Sunday.

The bible itself is confirmed a million ways.

Your rejection of Scripture for NO reason is tantamount to someone claiming spirits of any sort never existed and that all history is a lie.
We can add that to your stack of bizarre and twisted conspiracy theories I guess.

Its simple, after the Israelites lost Jerusalem and were taken into bondage once again, that dinged their national EGO. So they doubled down and went to the other extreme. They completely recast their secular history, converting it into a miraculous fiction. When they did that they left clues of what was there before as well as their own mistakes.

The people who put the Son of God through a trumped up trial and murder, people whose father was the devil, were quote capable of exaggerating their history as a people.

The Israelites are not a miraculous people.

Why do intellectually superior humans have around 7,000 distinct languages?

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