is humbleness required for salvation ?

JESUSKiDtommy · Jan 19, 2019

Humble kids are easier to raise than the “I am going to do what I want regardless of what you want hoodlum kids we see now days. (BIBLE calls them stubborn and self willed)... Stands true for the physical world and it is also true in the Spiritual Kingdom” Problem is GOD has all these kids who see all these different things in HIS LIFE MANUAL and they just take off and run down the edge of the sword with some doctrine that seems perfectly logical to think in their mind without ever consulting GOD and they think they wont get cut, even with JESUS telling them that in order to enter the Kingdom we are to have hearts like humble little kids before HIM but they wont humble their heart to GOD enough for the SPIRIT to teach them anything and they are going to find out exactly what happens when somebody falls on the Spiritual SWORD of GOD that divides between those who care and those who do not because all they know to care about are their justifying doctrines that severely distract from and sometimes even abolish everything JESUS says about how we are to have hearts of compassion for others. These people don't realize which side they are on. They are blind leading blind who have no desire to be conformed into HIS image by practicing HIS teachings and growing in HIS LOVE, they can’t see themselves because they never humbled themselves before GOD to ask HIM to show them anything that they might need to see or change.... It is because they wont humble themselves that the pride of not believing and respecting GOD has them blinded and yet their ways seemeth right to them and they know it's not them that Proverbs 14:12 is talking to.
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There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
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Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
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But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
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JESUS is talking about HIS own WORDS... THOSE WORDS OF LIFE EVERYTHING HE TEACHES AND STANDS FOR
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Does it show that you are ashamed of what JESUS stands for in how you are to treat others? Do you deny HIM by having no effort what so ever to show HIS LOVE to somebody else who is just as undeserving of it as you are?
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Humbly start seeking HIM to conform you into who HE wants you to be.... That's what i have been doing for thirty years.

bèlla · Jan 19, 2019

I'm not the most humble person in the bunch. There are many who outpace me in this area. I just don't like the consequences of certain things. And counting the cost has saved my neck many times. I don't need to experience something to realize it's bad. I've learned a great deal from other people's mistakes.

But even so I have my temptations like the rest. The Holy Spirit is patient with me. And there are many occasions when we have dialogues like these...

Him: Don't do such and such.
Me: Verbally agreeing but still thinking about the act.
Him: Restating the issue a little stronger than before with a nod to its consequences.
Me: Pondering His words and knowing my desire is probably 5 out of 10 on this issue.
Him: Another restatement along with the spiritual detriment and the difficulty of its removal.
Me: Full stop. It isn't worth that price in this instance.

Truth be told it would never be worth a stronghold but I'm honest with Him nonetheless. I don't pretend the desire isn't there. Sometimes I like things that aren't best for me. But I know that sanctification is a process. It doesn't happen overnight.

There are things we put on the altar once and others we need to keep putting there again and again.

Basil the Great · Jan 19, 2019

If humbleness is required for salvation, then more than a few Christians might be in trouble.

redleghunter · Jan 19, 2019

In the perspective of how God exposed my sin leading to godly sorrow, yes humility before a Holy God is in that supernatural “formula.”

Remembering that moment of humility is of great importance in our walk in Christ.

When I hear people say “return to your first Love” quoting Revelation, I am reminded we return to the Cross and Christ. And that for mean returning in humility knowing the Finished Work of Christ and how He saved a wretch like me.

greenguzzi · Jan 19, 2019

The word is "humility", not "humbleness". Why invent a new (and ugly) word, when a perfectly good (and beautiful) one already exists?

And no, humility is not required for salvation. Because "...it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast."
Ephesians 2 (NIV)

If humility were required for salvation, then it wouldn't be a gift, and we could therefore boast.
The only thing needed from us for salvation is faith. (Faith is not a work, but humility is.)

worshipjunkie · Jan 20, 2019

greenguzzi said:
The word is "humility", not "humbleness". Why invent a new (and ugly) word, when a perfectly good (and beautiful) one already exists?

And no, humility is not required for salvation. Because "...it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast."
Ephesians 2 (NIV)

If humility were required for salvation, then it wouldn't be a gift, and we could therefore boast.
The only thing needed from us for salvation is faith. (Faith is not a work, but humility is.)

But true faith necessarily has humility. To admit we can't save ourselves, that nothing we do is good enough, that we need Jesus- to become like a little child reaching up to their Daddy- that takes humility. I would say without humility faith is not faith, but something else.

greenguzzi · Jan 20, 2019

greenguzzi · Jan 20, 2019

greenguzzi · Jan 20, 2019

worshipjunkie said:
But true faith necessarily has humility. To admit we can't save ourselves, that nothing we do is good enough, that we need Jesus- to become like a little child reaching up to their Daddy- that takes humility. I would say without humility faith is not faith, but something else.

True faith? That's a meaningless distinction. Faith is faith. There is no such thing as false faith. False faith isn't faith.

So we have faith. The Bible clearly teaches that faith is not from ourselves, it is the gift of God, and not by works. According to the Bible, we are incapable of faith without God's intervention.

If humility is a necessary component of faith, then - according the the Bible - humility is also a gift of God. Therefore is isn't something that we are required to provide for salvation, because it is something that God gives to us. If what you are saying is true, then humility is also a gift of God, so we are not required to have it, because we are given it.

I can't see how you can interpret the scriptures in any other way.

The tone of the original post suggested that humility was something that we had to muster for ourselves, in advance of God granting us faith. I thought they were saying that humility is a prerequisite of faith that we have to work towards all by ourselves. If so, then that is unBiblical. But maybe I misunderstood.

JESUSKiDtommy · Jan 20, 2019

LaBèlla said:
I'm not the most humble person in the bunch. There are many who outpace me in this area. I just don't like the consequences of certain things. And counting the cost has saved my neck many times. I don't need to experience something to realize it's bad. I've learned a great deal from other people's mistakes.

But even so I have my temptations like the rest. The Holy Spirit is patient with me. And there are many occasions when we have dialogues like these...

Him: Don't do such and such.
Me: Verbally agreeing but still thinking about the act.
Him: Restating the issue a little stronger than before with a nod to its consequences.
Me: Pondering His words and knowing my desire is probably 5 out of 10 on this issue.
Him: Another restatement along with the spiritual detriment and the difficulty of its removal.
Me: Full stop. It isn't worth that price in this instance.

Truth be told it would never be worth a stronghold but I'm honest with Him nonetheless. I don't pretend the desire isn't there. Sometimes I like things that aren't best for me. But I know that sanctification is a process. It doesn't happen overnight.

There are things we put on the altar once and others we need to keep putting there again and again.

JESUSKiDtommy · Jan 20, 2019

greenguzzi said:
True faith? That's a meaningless distinction. Faith is faith. There is no such thing as false faith. False faith isn't faith.

So we have faith. The Bible clearly teaches that faith is not from ourselves, it is the gift of God, and not by works. According to the Bible, we are incapable of faith without God's intervention.

If humility is a necessary component of faith, then - according the the Bible - humility is also a gift of God. Therefore is isn't something that we are required to provide for salvation, because it is something that God gives to us. If what you are saying is true, then humility is also a gift of God, so we are not required to have it, because we are given it.

I can't see how you can interpret the scriptures in any other way.

The tone of the original post suggested that humility was something that we had to muster for ourselves, in advance of God granting us faith. I thought they were saying that humility is a prerequisite of faith that we have to work towards all by ourselves. If so, then that is unBiblical. But maybe I misunderstood.

JESUSKiDtommy · Jan 20, 2019

greenguzzi said:
True faith? That's a meaningless distinction. Faith is faith. There is no such thing as false faith. False faith isn't faith.

So we have faith. The Bible clearly teaches that faith is not from ourselves, it is the gift of God, and not by works. According to the Bible, we are incapable of faith without God's intervention.

If humility is a necessary component of faith, then - according the the Bible - humility is also a gift of God. Therefore is isn't something that we are required to provide for salvation, because it is something that God gives to us. If what you are saying is true, then humility is also a gift of God, so we are not required to have it, because we are given it.

I can't see how you can interpret the scriptures in any other way.

The tone of the original post suggested that humility was something that we had to muster for ourselves, in advance of God granting us faith. I thought they were saying that humility is a prerequisite of faith that we have to work towards all by ourselves. If so, then that is unBiblical. But maybe I misunderstood.

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to my the kind of humility i practice (as far as prayer time) is to posture my heart to ask GOD to mold me, and even ask HIM to help me be as humble as HE wants me to be. And in my mind and my SPIRIT it is me doing the asking... but the enablement is from HIM.... It goes back to the marriage being as one things.... HE is head and we follow.... (humbleness off my knees when not in prayer) is being a help and blessing to anyone GOD puts in from of me to help as per my JESUS instructions.... and YES... it is HIS LOVE in me that motivates me unto good works.

JESUSKiDtommy · Jan 20, 2019

greenguzzi said:
True faith? That's a meaningless distinction. Faith is faith. There is no such thing as false faith. False faith isn't faith.

So we have faith. The Bible clearly teaches that faith is not from ourselves, it is the gift of God, and not by works. According to the Bible, we are incapable of faith without God's intervention.

If humility is a necessary component of faith, then - according the the Bible - humility is also a gift of God. Therefore is isn't something that we are required to provide for salvation, because it is something that God gives to us. If what you are saying is true, then humility is also a gift of God, so we are not required to have it, because we are given it.

I can't see how you can interpret the scriptures in any other way.

The tone of the original post suggested that humility was something that we had to muster for ourselves, in advance of God granting us faith. I thought they were saying that humility is a prerequisite of faith that we have to work towards all by ourselves. If so, then that is unBiblical. But maybe I misunderstood.

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If you don't know some people are following a false faith then you may be following one yourself since you don't think they exist. Plenty of deceived people adding leaven into the teachings of JESUS, those words of life.

JESUSKiDtommy · Jan 20, 2019

Basil the Great said:
If humbleness is required for salvation, then more than a few Christians might be in trouble.

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i thought that is what unless you become as little children you wont enter was talking about... hmmmm

greenguzzi · Jan 20, 2019

JESUSKiDtommy said:
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If you don't know some people are following a false faith then you may be following one yourself since you don't think they exist. Plenty of deceived people adding leaven into the teachings of JESUS, those words of life.

Yeah you got me there! A clear case of equivocation. Hehe ... No, not really. Read this foo..
Equivocation - Wikipedia

JESUSKiDtommy · Jan 20, 2019

greenguzzi said:
The word is "humility", not "humbleness". Why invent a new (and ugly) word, when a perfectly good (and beautiful) one already exists?

And no, humility is not required for salvation. Because "...it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast."
Ephesians 2 (NIV)

If humility were required for salvation, then it wouldn't be a gift, and we could therefore boast.
The only thing needed from us for salvation is faith. (Faith is not a work, but humility is.)

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You said "The word is "humility", not "humbleness". Why invent a new (and ugly) word, when a perfectly good (and beautiful) one already exists?"

If a man has to decide for me how i am to write what i write with exact and precise precision, and that man takes no note of what the content was trying to convey, it might seem that the man is a blind skeptic. Not an accusation mind you, because we just met but if you skim text looking for errors so you can correct people that's pride, if you just meant well to pass along what (you see) as right then that's fine too. But based on the BIBLE telling me to work out my own salvation... and how serious a thing that is... i don't think GOD is going to detract anything from the content of what i had to say, whether you understand it or not... And this isn't just a man who doesn't like to be corrected talking here..... It's a man that hopes you can actually BELIEVE what JESUS is saying when HE says that unless we become as little children we wont enter the kingdom... That means we have to have humility before HIM for HIM to teach and mold us... HE doesn't do it all automatic... and we don't either.... HE is the head and has made the provisions.... and if you don't seek you can rest assured you will not find.... My JESUS is no liar.

greenguzzi · Jan 20, 2019

JESUSKiDtommy said:
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to my the kind of humility i practice (as far as prayer time) is to posture my heart to ask GOD to mold me, and even ask HIM to help me be as humble as HE wants me to be. And in my mind and my SPIRIT it is me doing the asking... but the enablement is from HIM.... It goes back to the marriage being as one things.... HE is head and we follow.... (humbleness off my knees when not in prayer) is being a help and blessing to anyone GOD puts in from of me to help as per my JESUS instructions.... and YES... it is HIS LOVE in me that motivates me unto good works.

Yeah, sure. But what's your point?

greenguzzi · Jan 20, 2019

JESUSKiDtommy said:
and that man takes no note of what the content was trying to convey

Yeah, except I didn't. Maybe you got distracted and stopped reading. Don't blame for your laziness.

greenguzzi · Jan 20, 2019

JESUSKiDtommy said:
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If you don't know some people are following a false faith then you may be following one yourself since you don't think they exist. Plenty of deceived people adding leaven into the teachings of JESUS, those words of life.

Oh FFS. Make your point so we can disagree with you. Making vague platitudes is a waste of all our time.

JESUSKiDtommy · Jan 20, 2019

redleghunter said:
In the perspective of how God exposed my sin leading to godly sorrow, yes humility before a Holy God is in that supernatural “formula.”

Remembering that moment of humility is of great importance in our walk in Christ.

When I hear people say “return to your first Love” quoting Revelation, I am reminded we return to the Cross and Christ. And that for mean returning in humility knowing the Finished Work of Christ and how He saved a wretch like me.[/QUOTE

greenguzzi said:

Oh FFS. Make your point so we can disagree with you. Making vague platitudes is a waste of all our time.

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Uh let's see.... hmmmm i thought i had been clear... maybe you missed it... Plenty of deceived people adding leaven into the teachings of JESUS, those words of life.

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GODLY LOVE for others is so important

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