The Assurance of Baptism

Tree of Life said:

The one baptism that saves is Christian baptism. This does not mean that the waters of baptism save apart from faith. But this does mean that Paul views baptism as an integral part of salvation.

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The gospel is shown in 1 Cor 15:1-4 and no water is not added

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Tree of Life said:

The one baptism that saves is Christian baptism. This does not mean that the waters of baptism save apart from faith. But this does mean that Paul views baptism as an integral part of salvation.

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Wrong Paul said Christ sent him not to baptize but to preach the gospel 1 Cor 1. This shows that water baptism is not part of the gospel.

In case sone here don’t know the gospel consider this and look for water baptism there or any ordinance or mosaic law or circumcision or sabbaths etc. They are not there.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

They received this gospel by the hearing of faith and to continue in the faith they must keep it in memory.

To add to this gospel is to make another gospel and read Galatians 1 to see what that means

Tree of Life said:

Baptism is not part of the gospel message. It is a sacrament of the gospel. You might also notice that repentance is not listed in 1 Cor 15:1-4 and yet we view that as an essential response to the gospel.

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Show me the word “sacrament” in the bible

And repentance is not the gospel

Repent and believe the gospel

Repentance is not an ordinance or any such thing

ViaCrucis said:

And faith comes from?

-CryptoLutheran

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The holy spirit

jason_delisle said:

The holy spirit

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You're getting there. Keep going. When and where did we receive the Holy Spirit?

-CryptoLutheran

LoveofTruth said:

Show me the word “sacrament” in the bible

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It's in the same part where it mentions Bible Onlyism.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

You're getting there. Keep going. When and where did we receive the Holy Spirit?

-CryptoLutheran

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If you are meaning "we" as in "the Church"...At Pentecost.

jason_delisle said:

If you are meaning "we" as in "the Church"...At Pentecost.

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However, if we are talking about "we" as in both you and I, we received the Holy Spirit by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God. Not the physical act of water baptism.

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. (1 Peter 1:23)

Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created. (James 1: 16-18)

Note that we are not "Born Again" through water baptism, but by the Holy Spirit through the living Word of God because it was and is the Holy Spirit that inspired the written Word of God and it is the Holy Spirit that continues to illuminate its truth to those confronted with it. It is the Word of God, the Logos, through His word, logos that the Holy Spirit works by and with the Word in our hearts. The word of God is the sword of the Spirit (Ephesians 6:17; Acts 10:44; Ephesians 1:13)

Tree of Life said:

Weird view. We don't consider to be repentance a part of the gospel, but we do consider it to be a necessary response to the gospel. Just like baptism. If one does not repent and believe, the gospel has no saving power for that person.

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Repentance means a change of mind about the way we our going

God works by His light to reprove men and bring those who come to the light to this repentance.

ViaCrucis said:

It's in the same part where it mentions Bible Onlyism.

-CryptoLutheran

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I think you are possibly mistaken about what I believe
I posted this a while ago
The Rule of faith and practice is not scripture "alone"

jason_delisle said:

If you are meaning "we" as in "the Church"...At Pentecost.

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Yep, that's when the Spirit was poured out in fulfillment of what was said, "He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit". But when did we--as individuals--receive the Spirit?

-CryptoLutheran

LoveofTruth said:

You worded that wrong, he didn’t say baptizing and then teaching them he told them to teach all nations baptizing them. The spiritual teaching and preaching immersed them into the name...

Here is the correct text and wording

Matthew 28:19. “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”

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We baptize them with water BUT ONLY Jesus baptizes WITH the Spirit (and fire)

Light of the East said:

So what you are saying is that circumcision didn't do anything either when it was applied to baby boys?

How then do people get into the New Covenant without a ceremony of "covenant cutting?" Whenever a covenant was made in the Middle East, there was a rather protracted and detailed ceremony by which both parties entered into that covenant relationship with each other.

What ceremony has taken place of circumcision, which was, according to the OT, the way that one made covenant with God and entered into the Kingdom of God here on earth?

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No, I see it as a Covenant between GOD and the parents--especially the father. The father and mother is saying we will teach our son in your ways and according to your laws. In a way, when the child has children and follows the same procedures, they are then committing as adults although I feel they should make a personal commitment.

Infant baptism would serve the same purpose. This would not negate the need for the grown child to make their personal commitment to the 'New Covenant'.

Believing that Salvation occurs from an external act is living in delusion. The only Life that will be saved is Christ's. HE is the Alpha and the Omega--the Beginning and the End. In the End, their will be only one Life.

Tree of Life said:

We simply believe that the children of believers also have this assurance from God that they may draw upon in order to stay on the path.

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Parents do play an important part in teaching their children the correct path to follow. This should in no way imply that a child with atheistic parents can't have the same assurance from GOD as the child with Christian parents. The path may be more difficult; but this could result in a stronger commitment.

Pethesedzao said:

There are 3 main Baptisms

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Not according to Scripture.

-CryptoLutheran