Afraid of going to hell for knowingly sinning

Yes we all sin daily, knowingly and unknowingly. But there is only one sin and we are all guilty of it. Jesus brought about the Kingdom for those who do one thing, switch allegiance from the self driven will of man to to selfless will of God. Will we still stumble? Of course. We have two natures, one flesh, one spirit. But if we hate the fleshy nature and embrace the spirit one, we are on the right track regardless of stumbles along the way. Stumbles forgiven as you go towards God, not away from him.

Perhaps you don't get worked up when you stumble because you already subconsciously know this,.

Jensaiia said:

Ok so I have ocd severely and i need help. In galations 5:1-23 it basically said how if you have the spirit with you will overcome sins and all and sinners wont enter the kingdom of God. I like most my age, even other Christians, sin even though i know its technically a sin, like cussing, checking daily horoscopes, drinking and other things, but the problem is I dont like feel guilty over it or anything so I'm afraid it means I'm not saved and going to hell. I know everyone is a sinner and if we all were sent to hell for intentional sin we'd all be in hell, but I'm just worried because I'm not upset by it, and if I continue I'll go to hell. Please respond I panic about this. I'm not sure if I'm taking all these too literally which my ocd makes me do. But please if you respond please put like verses or something because my ocd doesn't stop when people say its fine forget about it which is what other ppl say.

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Hello, I also have very bad ocd and I struggle with sin too. I just want to let you know that Jesus really loves you and He can help you with everything. If you ever want to message me you can. God bless you and Jesus is Lord.

If you believe in Jesus, that is, you trust his sacrifice on the cross for payment for all your sins - past, present and future, you are saved and have eternal life.

Believe in Jesus and his sacrifice and you will have a guranteed place in Heaven and never need to worry ever again.

John 3:14-17
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

If you've already done this, just rest in the knowledge of God's love for you. If you aren't sure, seek to be sure. But remember, just like everything in Christianity you can't know 100% in your mind you're saved... just like you can't know 100% Jesus is the Messiah fully... we walk by faith. You may just have to come to a point where you need to have faith you are saved.

Also, you should stop reading horoscopes, they are evil. Getting drunk is not good either... scripture says not to get drunk.
Romans 13:13
Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

Remember though the good things or bad things you do after being saved are not things you do to keep being saved. Once you believe you are saved forever and should obey God out of love for him and a desire to please him, not to "keep yourself out of hell".

Lord Jesus saves. Pray and give your life to Him.

Hi @Jensaiia, it's very important for all of us to choose to take God at His word, no matter what we may be feeling at the time, and/or what our enemy is whispering in our ears (trying to convince us that we are 1. unworthy of being called a Christian and/or 2. not a Christian at all, as these two lies are perhaps our enemy's favorite ploys of all ).

Here are a couple of examples that come to mind:


So take those kind of thoughts you are having "captive" .. 2 Corinthians 10:5, and give them over to the Lord to deal with instead (again, always choosing to believe Him and the truth He has taught you, no matter what you are "feeling" and/or what our common enemy is trying to convince you of in the moment )

God bless you! (Numbers 6:24-26; Philippians 1:6, 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24)

Yours and His,
David
p.s. - James 4:7



*(save the one of course, but I don't believe that sin can be committed today, and it certainly cannot be committed by a Christian, so no worries about that)
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St_Worm2 said:

but I don't believe that sin can be committed today, and it certainly cannot be committed by a Christian, so no worries about that)

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Sin is putting the will of man before the will of God. The entire Christian movement broadsided Jesus and His Gospel of the Kingdom and returned itself in partnership with the secular government of the day. Two opposing governments pretending to be one. And you say sin (putting man's will before God's) can't be committed by a Christian? Hardly. They wrote the book for future generations on how to pull it off and have it both ways. Good thing they couldn't get rid of scripture which still exposes their lie.

timothyu said:

...you say sin (putting man's will before God's) can't be committed by a Christian?

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edit: You have misunderstood my post. I apologize if it was difficult to understand my meaning, but yes, Christians can commit sins and they can be forgiven of them

--David

St_Worm2 said:

Where did I say tha

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"but I don't believe that sin can be committed today, and it certainly cannot be committed by a Christian"

St_Worm2 said:

cannot be committed today, at least not by one who is born again and indwelt by the Holy Spirit anyway.

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I'm not sure your reasoning behind that. The HS was sent to keep those on the narrow path to the Kingdom and their ideals intact. What of those since and especially now who misrepresent the HS in an attempt to self justify their worldly actions, be they economic, political or the like. In effect not allowing the HS to guide them in the ways of the Kingdom, but using the HS to justify the ways of mankind.

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St_Worm2 said:

The sins you just mentioned can be forgiven, the blasphemy of the HS on the other hand is one, very specific sin (as I understand it anyway) which, once committed, can NEVER be forgiven.

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Yet what I just mentioned that you call sin IS blasphemy of the HS

timothyu said:

Yet what I just mentioned that you call sin IS blasphemy of the HS

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I will not discuss this further here (in this thread or on this board).

St_Worm2 said:

Sorry, I don't believe that it is

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Ok you don't believe changing the purpose of the HS is blasphemy. Understood.

(and the topic is about knowingly sinning)

This board is not meant for theological debate of any kind. On top of that, discussions about certain subjects tend to derail threads like this one (as I know you are aware), so I think it's a very good thing that CF has and enforces their rules on our various boards.

If you'd like to start a thread in GT or CT on the subject however, just let me know and I'll join in.

One last thing. Since I've seen you use it again and again in your posts (at least here of late anyway), I'd also like to see you start a thread (or perhaps write a blog?) defining/detailing your understanding of "The Gospel of the Kingdom" (IOW, I'd like to know exactly what you mean by it, because I've seen more than one definition being used for it both here and elsewhere over the years).

If you decide to do that (be it a thread or a blog) please let me know.

Thanks!

--David

St_Worm2 said:

This board is not meant for theological debate of any kind.

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Just your ideas with no debate?

The title of all of these particular boards is: Recovery (For support - no debate)

So you are correct, no debate of ideas is allowed here, yours or mine.

There are many other boards where discussion and debate is allowed however, as I just mentioned in my last post

Understood. I won't refer to your posts when I post.

I am glad that you posted on this topic. I too am struggling with these intrusive thoughts. They become so bad that they take over my life. I feel like the scriptures confuse me sometimes. On one hand they talk about how bad sinning is and why we should not commit sin. On the other hand they say Jesus has washed us of all of our sins by shedding his blood for us. I believe that Jesus shed his blood to cleanse us of our sins yet I still grapple with theses emotions. I will be praying for you and hope that you are able to find peace within your heart.

Jesus' death was a good example of how the will of man uses it's survival of the fittest logic. In order for the world of man to survive against the Kingdom they killed the messenger and the King. End of story right? Nope. God one upped them by not only restoring the King but opening the door to the oppressed of this world to jump ship to the Kingdom. So realistically, man's logic actually brought into reality what it sought to destroy. How can a self defeating mindset like this hope to continually rule over the world and survive?

Why then do people hang onto the self defeating will of man? It's not like we are using it like the beasts, in order to eat. If we reject the logic behind it will we still trip up? Of course.. we're still beasts ourself, but we have the nature to love others as ourselves so we have an alternative to strive for. Focusing on one defeats the other.

We trip as we go, but instead of flagellating ourselves, grin and say boy that was a stupid way of doing things. Unless you can laugh at yourself for being man's concept of human, you'll never be anything more.