Willing or not to stand with Trump on the wall? Why? POLL

Mountainmanbob said:

Please track our local poll held right here on site top of this thread.

In the past I have found them to be pretty close to the General Public out there.

And that's amazing!

M-Bob

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Hi MM,

I don't understand it. How anyone could look at the poll at the top of this thread and say that its in line with the General Public out there. First of all, other than other polls, how in the world would you even have a vapor of a clue what the General Public feels on issues? What? You go around your neighborhood and knock on doors? You send flyers out to everyone in your city? Enlighten me please how you know what the feelings of the General Public are other than through the published polls? If, you are counting on the published polls as your understanding of how the General Public feels on this matter, I'd recommend you go in for an eye examination. There's something wrong with your ability to read.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

miamited said:

Hi MM,

I don't understand it. How anyone could look at the poll at the top of this thread and say that its in line with the General Public out there.

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...it's not. Asking people on this forum doesn't give him a random sample of the general population. A real survey generally needs to be a random sample.

Mountainmanbob said:

Please track our local poll held right here on site top of this thread.

In the past I have found them to be pretty close to the General Public out there.

And that's amazing!

M-Bob

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You think an unscientific poll on a conservative religious forum is representative of the country as a whole?

Hi queller

Queller said:

You think an unscientific poll on a conservative religious forum is representative of the country as a whole?

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I'm not sure I'd go so far as to consider CF a 'conservative' religious forum, but yes, I agree that you can't expect, on any religious forum, to think that you're getting the general public's opinion of something. I would even contend that on a forum site with only a few thousand members where less than 100 have participated in a poll that you'd even get the consensus of agreement of the members of the given site.

But, I've been around long enough now to understand that some people will/want to believe anything.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

miamited said:

Hi queller

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to consider CF a 'conservative' religious forum,

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You think a website where you're not even allowed to argue in support of same-sex marriage isn't a conservative religious website?

Mountainmanbob said:

True, usually this one leans to the left.
M-Bob

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What in the world makes you think that?

Mountainmanbob said:

Poll results still split right down the middle in support for the wall.

Restores faith in the goats.
Trump's reelection after the wall will assure that, "goats get to keep eating fat on the hog."

M-Bob

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And still completely unrepresentative of society as a whole.

Mountainmanbob said:

Wouldn't necessarily call it conservative religious.

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Why not?

Regarding that action -- it's not bible like (approved).
Actually called out as a very no no.
M-Bob

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And this site bans discussion of it. That's fine, they own the site, that's their prerogative. But it is certainly evidence that this site leans to the conservative, religious side of the aisle.

Queller said:

You think a website where you're not even allowed to argue in support of same-sex marriage isn't a conservative religious website?

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Hi queller,

No, sorry, that's just a christian website.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Mountainmanbob said:

Actually, I would call it leans towards obedience to God's Word in the Bible.

Bible believers understand what I'm saying.

I understand many support that other position -- just don't understand why?

I've been to abortion recovery classes. They ain't real pretty.

M-Bob

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I agree it leans towards obedience to God's Word. It proves my point.

I have no idea what abortion has to do with anything.

miamited said:

Hi queller,

No, sorry, that's just a christian website.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

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And Christians, as a whole, don't tend to be conservative and religious?

Queller said:

And Christians, as a whole, don't tend to be conservative and religious?

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Hi queller,

Well, I likely misunderstood your post then, if you mean that all christian websites generally run conservative. I would agree that usually, based on what's allowed in the world at large, that christian sites do run to the conservative side of what's understood as acceptable behavior. I thought that you were comparing this christian sites to other christian sites, and in that regard, I'm not sure I'd qualify CF as particularly conservative. Some religious sites, I'm sure, run more conservative. There are factions of the muslim faith where it's considered 'conservative' that women have few rights as compared to their men folk. Certainly most hasidic jewish sites are likely more conservative than CF.

I would also point out that here on CF you actually find the gamut of practices and understandings of the christian faith that run from starkly conservative to openly liberal in their various theologies.

So, you may chalk this up to misunderstanding the intentions of your post.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Willing or not to stand with Trump on the wall? Why? POLL

If "THE WALL" was as necessary as Trump and his supporters would have us believe, why wasn't it their first priority when this President took office in January 2017 - 2 years ago?

Despite having majorities in both the House and Senate for the past 2 years, the Republicans dithered around trying to repeal and replace Obamacare and then proceeded to pass a $1 trillion "middle class" tax cut - that only benefitted their wealthy "donors!"

Apparently "THE WALL" only became a priority once after the Republicans lost their majority in the House - based on their legislative record, the GOP wasn't any more convince that it actually served a useful purpose than the Democrats.

I wonder what Mainstream American Christians true motive in wanting this wall and in trusting in Trump? Do you sit back and truly ask what Jesus feels about this wall and this issue as a whole? Just to state I am not against border security. No country is really in support of open borders. I am for looking at the whole picture and asking what solves the issue at hand. Rarely is a problem black and white. What are the contributing issues? And what does God want me to see in this?

Earth18 said:

I wonder what Mainstream American Christians true motive in wanting this wall and in trusting in Trump?

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It's a simple red team v. blue team game. If you're on the red team then you support it and justify it at any cost. The fact that many red team members are willing to not only have workers work without pay but also to use those worker's property as the main bargaining chip seems to show this sort of motivated reasoning.