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How does that look like? Can we know?

He is unchanging. I believe God knows the eternal future as well. And some how allowed and gave us free will.

Are these things too complex to grasp?

What is the human's scope of understanding?

Yes, God knows the future ... and it is called His foreknowledge. We have free will ... God does not interfere with the choices we make but He does know what our choices will be. This is how both are possible.
 
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Yes, God knows the future ... and it is called His foreknowledge. We have free will ... God does not interfere with the choices we make but He does know what our choices will be. This is how both are possible.
How can one know about something that does not exist yet. The only reality is "now". The past only exists in our memories, in books, and on film/video.

I believe that God knows of all the possibilities that can arise out of our decisions, and also knows what His plans are and how He is going to work them out. Jesus said not to plan for tomorrow, because we don't know what tomorrow will bring forth. No one knows, because tomorrow does not exist yet. And no one, including God can know what does not exist and therefore is unknowable.
 
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My mind can't even scratch it. And in a way, I'm thankful. I can barely even handle simple things.
If we stick to how God has revealed Himself in the Bible, we can't go wrong. He has revealed Himself as a Person who has a past, present and future. There are places in the Bible narrative where God was angry at the unfolding of events which He did not plan, and changed His mind for Abraham and Moses. Jesus was saddened when He found out that Judas was going to betray Him. We also see many instances of God's sadness over the rebellion and idolatry of Israel and Judah.

When we see how God behaves in certain circumstances, it certainly appears that he does not know every detail of the future and has changed His mind, and has gone to plan B when plan A didn't work.

But some try to go beyond the pages of the Bible and calculate 1 +1 = 3, as they try to describe the nature of God, and end up going into vain philosophy or even science fantasy to dream up a picture of God that is quite unlike the God of the Bible, and someone we could never know or fellowship with.
 
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How can one know about something that does not exist yet. The only reality is "now". The past only exists in our memories, in books, and on film/video.

I believe that God knows of all the possibilities that can arise out of our decisions, and also knows what His plans are and how He is going to work them out. Jesus said not to plan for tomorrow, because we don't know what tomorrow will bring forth. No one knows, because tomorrow does not exist yet. And no one, including God can know what does not exist and therefore is unknowable.

God is a supernatural being ... He spoke things into existence. We are human and are very very VERY limited compared to God. Humans are constrained by time ... God is not. Jesus said not to worry about tomorrow because tomorrow will take care of itself. In that ... if we are abiding in Him .... there is no reason to worry at all.

"And no one, including God can know what does not exist and therefore is unknowable."

Then what about all the prophecies? Many that were told hundreds and thousands of years before they happened?

Isaiah 46:10

Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure';

Bible Verses about Gods Omniscience

Psalm 147:5

Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20

in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:1-4

Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30

"But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4

He counts the number of the stars; He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13

And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

Psalm 139:1-3

O LORD, You have searched me and known me. You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar. You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21

Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9

"As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 40:28

Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth Does not become weary or tired His understanding is inscrutable.

Isaiah 46:9-10

"Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure';

1 Kings 8:39

then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24

And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
 
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How can one know about something that does not exist yet. The only reality is "now". The past only exists in our memories, in books, and on film/video.
... And no one, including God can know what does not exist and therefore is unknowable.

Hey Oscarr what is your definition of foreknowledge? I found your explanation contradictory here.

Overall I agree that God has revealed enough of Himself through the Bible.

Oh I'm adding the idea of God as being omniscient as well to consider.
 
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God is a supernatural being ... He spoke things into existence. We are human and are very very VERY limited compared to God. Humans are constrained by time ... God is not. Jesus said not to worry about tomorrow because tomorrow will take care of itself. In that ... if we are abiding in Him .... there is no reason to worry at all.

"And no one, including God can know what does not exist and therefore is unknowable."

Then what about all the prophecies? Many that were told hundreds and thousands of years before they happened?

Isaiah 46:10

Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure';

Bible Verses about Gods Omniscience

Psalm 147:5

Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20

in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:1-4

Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30

"But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4

He counts the number of the stars; He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13

And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

Psalm 139:1-3

O LORD, You have searched me and known me. You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar. You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21

Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9

"As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 40:28

Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth Does not become weary or tired His understanding is inscrutable.

Isaiah 46:9-10

"Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure';

1 Kings 8:39

then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24

And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
None of these Scriptures prove that God knows every detail of the future. The prophecies point to what He has planned for the future. His Omnicience covers everything that is knowable, and because the future doesn't exist yet, it is unknowable.

Depicting God as some type of being where He lives simultaneously in the past, present and future, is a New Age, pagan depiction of some god that is not the God of the Bible.
 
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Hey Oscarr what is your definition of foreknowledge? I found your explanation contradictory here.

Overall I agree that God has revealed enough of Himself through the Bible.
God knows everything that is knowable. This means that He knows the infinite possibilities of what could happen as the results of decisions made in the present, and He knows what He has planned for the future and works to fulfill them. A builder, when building a house has a good idea of what the house will look like from the plans and artists impressions of the finished product, but he won't know what the house will be really like until he views the finished product.
 
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None of these Scriptures prove that God knows every detail of the future. The prophecies point to what He has planned for the future. His Omnicience covers everything that is knowable, and because the future doesn't exist yet, it is unknowable.

Depicting God as some type of being where He lives simultaneously in the past, present and future, is a New Age, pagan depiction of some god that is not the God of the Bible.

I VEHEMENTLY disagree.
 
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I VEHEMENTLY disagree.
What then is the point of praying when God knows every detail of the future and nothing you can do or request can change it? Also, there is no point in witnessing to non-Christians because God knows exactly whether they are going to be saved or not, so you might as well leave them alone because they will either get saved or lost regardless of what you do or say. So that's evangelism out the window.
 
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How does that look like? Can we know? He is unchanging. I believe God knows the eternal future as well. And some how allowed and gave us free will. Are these things too complex to grasp? What is the human's scope of understanding

If God is eternal and immutable, then nothing he does is accidental or contingent, but predetermined. Our "free" will, as you might say, (although it is not truly free under the dominion of sin), somehow fits in his predetermined plan. How? I don't know, but it is compatible with each other. God not only knows the future, but perfectly decreed the events and outcome of the future.
 
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If God is eternal and immutable, then nothing he does is accidental or contingent, but predetermined. Our "free" will, as you might say, (although it is not truly free under the dominion of sin), somehow fits in his predetermined plan. How? I don't know, but it is compatible with each other. God not only knows the future, but perfectly decreed the events and outcome of the future.
We might as well give up prayer to change things then because we have no freedom of choice and we are just programmable robots.

The question is though. if God decided to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, why did He agree to change His mind if there were 10 righteous men living there? Why would God tell Abraham something that He did not intend to do? Wouldn't that be lying? We know that God is not a liar, so there is a contradiction, because if God knew the future and was not go to change anything, so why did He enter into negotiation with Abraham if it were cast in bronze that the cities were going to be destroyed no matter what. Why would God even consider Abraham's request if He has decreed the events as you say? Doesn't make sense.

How come God was prepared to destroy Israel and start a new nation from Moses and then changed His mind after hearing what Moses had to say to Him?

What about all the trouble He went through to set up the people in the land of Canaan and then allow it to be taken over by the Assyrians? What happened to change things? God's original intention was that the people lived in the promised land for ever. He decreed it! But it didn't happen. Why not? What happened to change things? Does God keep His promises or not?

How come God told Saul that his descendents would always be on Israel's throne, and yet they weren't? What changed God's mind about Saul?

If God knows exactly what the future will be, and has His decrees cast in bronze, then the actual events in the Bible contradict it. Is God double-minded then? Or is He creating the future from the decisions we make and the prayers we pray for ourselves and others?
 
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What then is the point of praying when God knows every detail of the future and nothing you can do or request can change it? Also, there is no point in witnessing to non-Christians because God knows exactly whether they are going to be saved or not, so you might as well leave them alone because they will either get saved or lost regardless of what you do or say. So that's evangelism out the window.

Prayer Binds Us to God

That's why we tell God what He already knows. He knows what we have need of before we ask, but we are definitely, specifically, unqualifiedly told to pray and to ask — not to impress or inform God, but to invite God, so that we might have that fellowship with Him, so that we might grow, and we would learn to depend upon Him.

Furthermore, Isaiah 55:11 says that the word of God will not come back empty without accomplishing what God desires. Romans 1:16 says that the gospel is the power of God to salvation. So, we need to share the word of God and proclaim the gospel. Both of these truths come about with the sharing of the word of God that has the ability to change people. Therefore, we are to share the gospel as much as we can because it is the power of the word of God that has effect on people.

He is using us to accomplish His will on earth .... He knows specifically in all detail what that is .... we do not.
We need to know ... not Him.

He is our creator ... it is about relying on Him, His will and not about ourselves. It is His will that all come to Him, but He gave us choice and He knows what those choices will be .... but does not control the choices made. Knowing the choices is very different from controlling the choices.

Matthew 24:36

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

He knows.
 
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Prayer Binds Us to God

That's why we tell God what He already knows. He knows what we have need of before we ask, but we are definitely, specifically, unqualifiedly told to pray and to ask — not to impress or inform God, but to invite God, so that we might have that fellowship with Him, so that we might grow, and we would learn to depend upon Him.

Furthermore, Isaiah 55:11 says that the word of God will not come back empty without accomplishing what God desires. Romans 1:16 says that the gospel is the power of God to salvation. So, we need to share the word of God and proclaim the gospel. Both of these truths come about with the sharing of the word of God that has the ability to change people. Therefore, we are to share the gospel as much as we can because it is the power of the word of God that has effect on people.

He is using us to accomplish His will on earth .... He knows specifically in all detail what that is .... we do not.
We need to know ... not Him.

He is our creator ... it is about relying on Him, His will and not about ourselves. It is His will that all come to Him, but He gave us choice and He knows what those choices will be .... but does not control the choices made. Knowing the choices is very different from controlling the choices.

Matthew 24:36

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

He knows.
What you are saying is quite correct in terms of God knowing everything that is knowable.

In terms of Matthew 24:36, The Father knows because He has planned it for a specific time. We don't know whether He originally planned it for sooner, and is delaying it because He wants to make sure that all the conditions line up. If the church had continued in the way He originally planned, then the Day would have come sooner. But the church went in a direction He did not plan and He has taken centuries to bring the church back to where He wants it to be. My belief is that He has not decided when Jesus is to come back yet.

Jesus is God as well, and if the Father knows the future, then so does He and the Holy Spirit. God is all three, then if you are saying that one member of the Trinity knows the future and the other two don't, then that is a contradiction. How can three members of the Trinity in absolute unity have secrets from each other? Doesn't make sense.
 
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We might as well give up prayer to change things then because we have no freedom of choice and we are just programmable robots.

I never suggested the removal of the will, but that it is by necessity inclined to and enslaved in sin, that nothing sound remains from it. We, as rational creatures, must and do have a personal will, the responsibility to do what is morally good, but its very nature is damaged and corrupted through the fall, and cannot at all fulfill that responsibility by necessity.

"The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5

"...for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth." - Genesis 8:21

I am also assuming that you believe that the liberty of our will can oppose the sovereign purpose of God. This is a foreign concept, contradicted by a great cloud of witnesses. You say that prayer is pointless for a sovereign God, but it is actually the opposite. If God is not in sovereign control of the affairs of this world, then what is the point of praying to someone who cannot violate the liberty of man's will? It would be pointless to pray for someone to be saved. It would be pointless to pray for someone at all. It would be pointless to pray for the outcome of any one thing, since it would require God to change the course of nature and violate the "freedom" of men's wills. Is man greater than God? We are not programmed, as you suggested, we have a will that is compatible with his sovereignty. This is clearly spelled out throughout Scripture. The greatest example of this truth is Christ. All the events leading up to, all the events surrounding, all the individuals participating (with their personal will), in his birth, life, ministry, and death were predetermined. The religious leaders, and Pontius Pilate, were used by the sovereign will of God, through their own conscious actions, to bring about his crucifixion. That's a paradox that you cannot explain otherwise. How can God predestine Christ's death and all the leading events up to that point, yet do so through the willful choices of sinful men who weren't aware of this? This is a mystery of the compatibility of God's sovereignty and man's responsibility. Christ wasn't an accident.

The question is though. if God decided to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, why did He agree to change His mind if there were 10 righteous men living there? Why would God tell Abraham something that He did not intend to do? Wouldn't that be lying? We know that God is not a liar, so there is a contradiction, because if God knew the future and was not go to change anything, so why did He enter into negotiation with Abraham if it were cast in bronze that the cities were going to be destroyed no matter what. Why would God even consider Abraham's request if He has decreed the events as you say? Doesn't make sense.

On the contrary, even though Abraham made these bold requests, it was already established that there wasn't at least ten men who were righteous. When we read of God "relenting" of a disaster, it is in reference to a change of events, rather than a change within the divine nature. God does not change, he does not make mistakes. Whenever we read, for an example, that he "regretted" that he made man, it is an anthropomorphic description of the change in his dealings with men.

"God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" - Numbers 23:19

It is the same as saying God's was provoked to anger, this is in relation to men, not to his divine character. He is impassible, he cannot undergo any sort of inner emotional change. He is perfect act of being, he cannot become something he wasn't before. When he was "provoked to anger," it is the language of his divine wrath exercising against a sin. He is wrathful toward sin. He does not change, it is us that place ourselves in a position where his wrath is exercised against sin, so that it seems as though he were provoked.

How come God was prepared to destroy Israel and start a new nation from Moses and then changed His mind after hearing what Moses had to say to Him?

I refer you to the comment above.

What about all the trouble He went through to set up the people in the land of Canaan and then allow it to be taken over by the Assyrians? What happened to change things? God's original intention was that the people lived in the promised land for ever. He decreed it! But it didn't happen. Why not? What happened to change things? Does God keep His promises or not?

Actually, we read that Moses prophesied of the events that would take place in the latter times regarding the captivity of Israel. This was by the determined plan of God.

My question in return is, why did Jacob pronounce blessings to his children, if the contingency of them could thwart them in Genesis 49? Or Joseph, when he told them that God will bring them again into the land of Canaan, requesting that after his death (430 years later) that they would carry it there, if there was contingency?

How come God told Saul that his descendents would always be on Israel's throne, and yet they weren't? What changed God's mind about Saul?

I mentioned this above. It is spoken of his dealings with men, and not a real change in the divine nature itself.

If God knows exactly what the future will be, and has His decrees cast in bronze, then the actual events in the Bible contradict it. Is God double-minded then? Or is He creating the future from the decisions we make and the prayers we pray for ourselves and others?

On the contrary, if God only knows the future, yet did not decree the events, then he changes, he learns, he is more mortal than divine. This leads to Open Theism.
 
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I never suggested the removal of the will, but that it is by necessity inclined to and enslaved in sin, that nothing sound remains from it. We, as rational creatures, must and do have a personal will, the responsibility to do what is morally good, but its very nature is damaged and corrupted through the fall, and cannot at all fulfill that responsibility by necessity.

"The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5

"...for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth." - Genesis 8:21

I am also assuming that you believe that the liberty of our will can oppose the sovereign purpose of God. This is a foreign concept, contradicted by a great cloud of witnesses. You say that prayer is pointless for a sovereign God, but it is actually the opposite. If God is not in sovereign control of the affairs of this world, then what is the point of praying to someone who cannot violate the liberty of man's will? It would be pointless to pray for someone to be saved. It would be pointless to pray for someone at all. It would be pointless to pray for the outcome of any one thing, since it would require God to change the course of nature and violate the "freedom" of men's wills. Is man greater than God? We are not programmed, as you suggested, we have a will that is compatible with his sovereignty. This is clearly spelled out throughout Scripture. The greatest example of this truth is Christ. All the events leading up to, all the events surrounding, all the individuals participating (with their personal will), in his birth, life, ministry, and death were predetermined. The religious leaders, and Pontius Pilate, were used by the sovereign will of God, through their own conscious actions, to bring about his crucifixion. That's a paradox that you cannot explain otherwise. How can God predestine Christ's death and all the leading events up to that point, yet do so through the willful choices of sinful men who weren't aware of this? This is a mystery of the compatibility of God's sovereignty and man's responsibility. Christ wasn't an accident.



On the contrary, even though Abraham made these bold requests, it was already established that there wasn't at least ten men who were righteous. When we read of God "relenting" of a disaster, it is in reference to a change of events, rather than a change within the divine nature. God does not change, he does not make mistakes. Whenever we read, for an example, that he "regretted" that he made man, it is an anthropomorphic description of the change in his dealings with men.

"God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" - Numbers 23:19

It is the same as saying God's was provoked to anger, this is in relation to men, not to his divine character. He is impassible, he cannot undergo any sort of inner emotional change. He is perfect act of being, he cannot become something he wasn't before. When he was "provoked to anger," it is the language of his divine wrath exercising against a sin. He is wrathful toward sin. He does not change, it is us that place ourselves in a position where his wrath is exercised against sin, so that it seems as though he were provoked.



I refer you to the comment above.



Actually, we read that Moses prophesied of the events that would take place in the latter times regarding the captivity of Israel. This was by the determined plan of God.

My question in return is, why did Jacob pronounce blessings to his children, if the contingency of them could thwart them in Genesis 49? Or Joseph, when he told them that God will bring them again into the land of Canaan, requesting that after his death (430 years later) that they would carry it there, if there was contingency?



I mentioned this above. It is spoken of his dealings with men, and not a real change in the divine nature itself.



On the contrary, if God only knows the future, yet did not decree the events, then he changes, he learns, he is more mortal than divine. This leads to Open Theism.
God knows everything? Jeremiah 19:5
 
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I never suggested the removal of the will, but that it is by necessity inclined to and enslaved in sin, that nothing sound remains from it. We, as rational creatures, must and do have a personal will, the responsibility to do what is morally good, but its very nature is damaged and corrupted through the fall, and cannot at all fulfill that responsibility by necessity.

"The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5

"...for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth." - Genesis 8:21

I am also assuming that you believe that the liberty of our will can oppose the sovereign purpose of God. This is a foreign concept, contradicted by a great cloud of witnesses. You say that prayer is pointless for a sovereign God, but it is actually the opposite. If God is not in sovereign control of the affairs of this world, then what is the point of praying to someone who cannot violate the liberty of man's will? It would be pointless to pray for someone to be saved. It would be pointless to pray for someone at all. It would be pointless to pray for the outcome of any one thing, since it would require God to change the course of nature and violate the "freedom" of men's wills. Is man greater than God? We are not programmed, as you suggested, we have a will that is compatible with his sovereignty. This is clearly spelled out throughout Scripture. The greatest example of this truth is Christ. All the events leading up to, all the events surrounding, all the individuals participating (with their personal will), in his birth, life, ministry, and death were predetermined. The religious leaders, and Pontius Pilate, were used by the sovereign will of God, through their own conscious actions, to bring about his crucifixion. That's a paradox that you cannot explain otherwise. How can God predestine Christ's death and all the leading events up to that point, yet do so through the willful choices of sinful men who weren't aware of this? This is a mystery of the compatibility of God's sovereignty and man's responsibility. Christ wasn't an accident.



On the contrary, even though Abraham made these bold requests, it was already established that there wasn't at least ten men who were righteous. When we read of God "relenting" of a disaster, it is in reference to a change of events, rather than a change within the divine nature. God does not change, he does not make mistakes. Whenever we read, for an example, that he "regretted" that he made man, it is an anthropomorphic description of the change in his dealings with men.

"God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" - Numbers 23:19

It is the same as saying God's was provoked to anger, this is in relation to men, not to his divine character. He is impassible, he cannot undergo any sort of inner emotional change. He is perfect act of being, he cannot become something he wasn't before. When he was "provoked to anger," it is the language of his divine wrath exercising against a sin. He is wrathful toward sin. He does not change, it is us that place ourselves in a position where his wrath is exercised against sin, so that it seems as though he were provoked.



I refer you to the comment above.



Actually, we read that Moses prophesied of the events that would take place in the latter times regarding the captivity of Israel. This was by the determined plan of God.

My question in return is, why did Jacob pronounce blessings to his children, if the contingency of them could thwart them in Genesis 49? Or Joseph, when he told them that God will bring them again into the land of Canaan, requesting that after his death (430 years later) that they would carry it there, if there was contingency?



I mentioned this above. It is spoken of his dealings with men, and not a real change in the divine nature itself.



On the contrary, if God only knows the future, yet did not decree the events, then he changes, he learns, he is more mortal than divine. This leads to Open Theism.
Your post is too long to deal with every point you are making. Our free will does not oppose the sovereignty of God. God does what He wants to do and responds to every situation in ways that He sees is right and good.

We choose to work with God in working out His plans and purposes. The Scripture says that the children of God are led by the Spirit. This means that we are being led by the Spirit all the time, because we are walking in the Spirit. This means that as we delight in the Lord, He directs our paths. This is the mystery between our free choice and God's direction. God knows the way we take. Because we choose freely to do what we see is the will of God for our lives, He is able to involve Himself with us through the agency of the Holy Spirit.
 
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