NYT Reveals FBI Retaliated against Trump for Comey Firing
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No. It happened after he was inaugurated.
President Donald Trump tried to order prosecutors at the Department of Justice to indict two of his political enemies — 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton and former FBI Director James Comey — this spring, according to the New York Times.
According to the Times report, then-White House counsel Don McGahn warned Trump not to issue the order, and had lawyers prepare a memo for Trump explaining what would happen if he tried to prosecute Clinton and Comey. One of those possibilities was, reportedly, the risk of impeachment.
Presidentially directed indictments against specific individuals would be a massive breach of the independence of the Justice Department; the general expectation that prosecutors are supposed to issue indictments based on an examination of the evidence at hand; and the democratic norm against prosecuting political opponents for political acts.
The president’s lawyers reportedly asked the Justice Department to investigate Comey last year, according to the Times’s Michael S. Schmidt and Maggie Haberman. That request was not successful. And McGahn’s memo appears to have discouraged the president from going further — for now.
But the Times reports Trump has “continued to privately discuss the matter, including the possible appointment of a second special counsel to investigate both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Comey” — suggesting he hasn’t given up.
https://www.vox.com/2018/11/20/18105462/trump-clinton-comey-order-justice
No point in denying it. He openly threatened to do it, and he was only stopped when an advisor told him that it an impeachable offense to try to use the Justice Department to settle personal grudges.
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I notice Pelosi and Schumer managed to get him to take responsibility for shutting down the government unless he got his way. Now, he's taking a beating as his approval sinks and the public blames him.
He's pretty easy to manipulate.
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Probable cause is the big roadblock here. Without it, there's really no point in trying.
Statute of limitations. Generally five years on federal crimes, although there are exceptions.
He had/has a remarkable number of criminals working for him. And there is evidence to indicate that he might well have committed crimes as well. That's what Mueller is sorting out now. Be patient; he'll get to the bottom of it.
They can't get Trump for "shady." Not a crime. But there are some others, that we'll just have to wait and see. Patience.
He and his daughter apparently used the inauguration funds to enrich him illegally. That's still being sorted out, but it looks serious for them right now:
The Trump inauguration is now being criminally investigated
The president has yet another investigation to worry about
https://www.vox.com/2018/12/13/18139886/trump-inaugural-committee-inauguration-investigation-sdny
That wasn't his own money. And he didn't use his own money to get elected. He even tried to get illegal contributions from foreign nationals.
Trump campaign solicits illegal foreign donations despite warnings
Trump campaign solicits illegal foreign donations despite warnings
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Sounds interesting. Show us his numbers. Checkable source. This is a guy who didn't know that a president couldn't just have someone he didn't like, investigated by the Justice Department. Now, ignorance isn't the same thing as stupidity, but they live in the same neighborhood. Show us what you've got.
Apparently, a big contribution from a Putin associate helped a lot.
Is Russian Money Behind Graham's Growing Defense of Trump?
Is Russian Money Behind Graham's Growing Defense of Trump?
He looked pretty timid when he was on the same stage with the boss:
He let Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer play him into taking the blame for shutting down the government. Pretty dumb on his part.
He's notorious for flying off the handle whenever he doesn't get what he wants. C'mon.
Trump is going to fulfill all his campaign promises[/quote]
He better get on the stick, then. He's way behind.
Imagine that...
He's got the adultery part pretty well, but everything else needs work.
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You guys don’t think politics is a dirty dirty business.
Why are people so quick to judge Trump on accusations?
I could accuse anyone of anything and Dem party is shady.
You guys can’t see that he is hated primarily because he’s not a lifetime politician and won’t play their game?
This is a witch hunt. Disney cartoon movie coming soon .....
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Apparently, not as dirty as Trump.
Because he has a history of dishonest and vindictive behavior.
The problem is that "E" word that keeps tripping up Trump apologists (evidence)
They merely look pure by contrast.
And here we thought it was because he betrayed three wives in turn, lies constantly, cheats his creditors, and boasts about getting away with sexual assault.
Maybe so...
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President Donald Trump tried to order prosecutors at the Department of Justice to indict two of his political enemies — 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton and former FBI Director James Comey — this spring, according to the New York Times.
According to the Times report, then-White House counsel Don McGahn warned Trump not to issue the order, and had lawyers prepare a memo for Trump explaining what would happen if he tried to prosecute Clinton and Comey. One of those possibilities was, reportedly, the risk of impeachment.
Presidentially directed indictments against specific individuals would be a massive breach of the independence of the Justice Department; the general expectation that prosecutors are supposed to issue indictments based on an examination of the evidence at hand; and the democratic norm against prosecuting political opponents for political acts.
There wouldn't be a problem for Putin or Kim Jong Il. But this is America, so he's completely unable to be the dictator he craves to be.
According to the Times report, then-White House counsel Don McGahn warned Trump not to issue the order, and had lawyers prepare a memo for Trump explaining what would happen if he tried to prosecute Clinton and Comey. One of those possibilities was, reportedly, the risk of impeachment.
Presidentially directed indictments against specific individuals would be a massive breach of the independence of the Justice Department; the general expectation that prosecutors are supposed to issue indictments based on an examination of the evidence at hand; and the democratic norm against prosecuting political opponents for political acts.
There wouldn't be a problem for Putin or Kim Jong Il. But this is America, so he's completely unable to be the dictator he craves to be.
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If there was any evidence at all, they would have wasted NO time indicting Trump. There are no indictments because there is no evidence. The Dossier was paid for by Hillary and the DNC. Even now, reports are that the Mueller report will be anti-climactic and not to expect much from it.
Trump has done nothing to be impeached over. But all of the evidence does point to Hillary and the DNC and Russian collusion there. In fact, the longer the investigation goes on the more we find out about how corrupt the DNC and Hillary are. She needs to be arrested, tried and imprisoned for the rest of her life. Just throw away the key and forget about her. And they need go down the line and investigate the rest of the Obama administration. They were the most scandalous administration in history.
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You are wrong on many counts.
First, there is no increasing evidence of Hillary and DNC collusion. We have all known and acknowledged the Clinton campaign part in funding the Steele dossier. That is old news and not illegal.
As for Mueller, he was appointed to look into the Trump campaign and Russian interference in the election. He has filed many indictments, obtained guilty pleas, and obtained guilty verdicts.
The Mueller indictments so far: Lies, trolls and hacks
In the US, you need permission from the grand jury to file and indictment. And, you don’t go to the grand jury until you have all the evidence. Mueller’s grand jury was just extended for 6 months. He would not have requested this extension if he did not anticipate requesting more indictments.
As for indicting Trump himself, there is legal debate as to whether a sitting president can be indicted. This leaves impeachment. Until earlier this month, we had a Republican controlled House that never considered impeachment. Now we have a Democrat controlled House. While there are a few individuals calling for impeachment, the leadership has indicated that they will wait for the Mueller report and also perform their own investigations.
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No, that's not right. It took Mueller years to get an airtight case against Gotti. Organized crime takes a little more time to sort out. Be patient; after all, he's already nailed a good number of criminals in the Trump organization.
Originally, it was commissioned by a right-wing anti-Trump group. The key issue is that many of the claims in the dossier have since been verified, and none so far have been proven false. Would you like me to show you that?
Might end up that way, but the revelations yesterday indicate otherwise. And nailing a half-dozen crooks among Trump's underlings is a good result in any case.
Might be so. But he's acting very oddly for an innocent man. And his people are now saying he's committed crimes, so that's a problem for him.
The republicans spent years and tens of millions of tax dollars to show something. And when they were done, there was nothing. Not one indictment. Nothing.
See above. Reality can be harsh, but it has the virtue of being true. Learn to adapt to it.
Trump wanted to give those orders. He was dissuaded after being told that such a move would be an impeachable crime.
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Rhetoric? If rhetoric was all, then you’d have a great point. But there is more than rhetoric involved. There is also conduct. There is conduct and rhetoric. The rhetoric is reflective of possible motive, intent, desire, for the conduct.
The President was criminally investigated for obstruction of justice. The “rhetoric” and Trump’s “conductor” justified this criminal aspect.
It’s unclear Trump was investigated for “espionage” by the FBI. He was, however, subject of a counterintelligence investigation by the FBI and this aspect is as far off reservation as the Federalist suggests.
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He's also said that in a government shutdown the president is responsible and must get everyone in a room and be a leader? Do you think that refusing to negotiate is being a leader? Do you think that failing to listen to the will of the people is being a leader?
Where did you get this idea?
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