Border rancher: 'We’ve found prayer rugs out here. It’s unreal'

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A thought: It's better if a president doesn't suggest ways enemies can attack us in his speeches, public statements.

Why? Because some, or even many, of those those enemies didn't already think of some of those ways. When the president talks openly about some new way that is little or even not yet used, then some of our enemies may then think:
"ah!...never thought of that! I can try that!"
You mean like the secret that we have miles and miles of desert and wilderness anyone can walk across the border at? It's not a big secret.
 
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It is unreal, because it is not real. Muslims would not put prayer mats on other people's houses.

If that is happening, then it is Trump supporters who are doing these things.
A vast right wing conspiracy of Ranchers buying prayer rugs and placing them in rancher lands and cabins?
 
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Yes for two excellent reasons. First, if you are a devout Muslim you would need that prayer rug five times daily. Second, if you are engaged in a law breaking activity you certainly do not want to leave a trail behind you.

Muslim prayer maps are rather distinctive and would be pretty hard to mistake for anything else. Muslim travelers would use a smaller, more compact size. Some come with a compass actually sewn in. Amazon has a nice selection.

Amazon.ca: muslim prayer rugs
Or the jig is up you are found out and have to bug out on a moments notice...since you are not in your own country and on private property.
 
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Meaning there were other reports of rugs. Yet somehow everyone is making it up.
Where's the evidence of the rugs being left at the border? To date, not a single one has been produced.
 
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This has been going on for years and no photo documentation.
I just don't believe these people. They're probably seeing blankets and want to think that they're seeing prayer rugs.
The sites that spread these prayer rug stories are the same sites that spread stories about ISIS operating on the border.
There's a literally multibillion dollar global industry of selling make believe news to people who want to hear it because it affirms their world view.
I agree the title leads many to focus on the rugs. When in fact the article is making the point it is not only Mexicans and Central American refugees who are coming across the border. The article lists some stats from the US Border Patrol.
 
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You mean like the secret that we have miles and miles of desert and wilderness anyone can walk across the border at? It's not a big secret.
Do you think many people not from the Americas during the last 20 years have tried to walk across the southern border? That is, before Trump publized the idea?

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I was able to search up after several tries what appears to show numbers answering that:
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/f...ionwide-apps-sector-citizenship-fy07-fy17.pdf
And it does show that before Trump there were citizens from Asian and European, etc., doing illegal crossings over the southern border (though not very large numbers still enough to be a concern), so therefore it was already a valid concern before Trump.
Here's 2017 numbers:
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/f...p-apprehensions-citizenship-sector-fy2017.pdf
 
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Whether the report is true or not, all such reports are not new (Which means that there could be something to this report); In fact, I think it is ignorant to assume that there are not enemies of the United States who are not seeking to enter the US more easily via the Mexican border. Why do you think castles had walls back in the day? It was to keep enemies out. While we are to love and do good towards our enemies, I am not against a border wall, but I am against the idea of holding our own nation hostage (Where it's workers go without pay) at that expense of having one. Please keep in mind, I am not seeking to speak ill or evil of the President in any way here. I merely disagree with his decision respectfully (because it is unloving of his fellow neighbors by not giving them their due pay). In either case, I am praying for the president and our country. But I am praying more so for the Lord's return for His bride (that could come at any moment).
 
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Can we see pictures of these prayer rugs? Where exactly have they been found? Are the ranchers sure they can distinguish between Muslim prayer rugs and just rugs or other cloth items?

If these questions aren't answered, the story has no content.
 
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Russians, people from the Philippines, Czechoslovakia, Germany . . . according to an article I just read.

even if prayer rugs were found, being a Muslim doesn't equate to someone who has ill intent.
Possibly, Muslim radicals have allies working on the Net, trying to get us to believe that any and all Muslims want to kill infidels. If these allies of Muslim terrorist groups can get people to believe all Muslims are terrorists, this can help to get people to hate and reject the non-terrorist Muslims; and then, the terrorists hope, the hate and rejection will cause Muslims to join the terrorists. But my opinion is that a number of Muslims are not terrorists, and they know that anyone hating and rejecting them is not one who upholds the United States Constitution which guarantees equal rights to all American citizens. So, their strategy is clever but wishful, able to fool only people who don't know how to love.

They have ONE prayer rug, and they take it with them after each prayer.
What if the rugs belong to ones who are more in name only? Not all Muslims are all-out with it. There are reports of how the Taliban killed Afghans who were at a dancing girl party. Those might have been Muslims who were not radical or all about Sharia Law. A Mexican convert could be half-baked.

Even so > I would think they would have a photo. Also, how much does a Mexican border rancher take an interest in studying what a Muslim prayer rug looks like??

2,500 individuals that identified Islam as their religion.
If they are Muslim, I think likely they would bond with one another, and stay with and help each other. I'm not sure that one or two would leave the group to go off on one's own. If ones were to leave, may be they decided it was not for them, then they might drop a rug.

Possibly, I mean, a Mexican might join a Muslim group for the comradery. But then he or she might decide it's not for him or her. And the person who wants to leave might fear being treated badly by the ones in the Muslim group; so the person might flee over the border . . . for all I know. Then a rug might be dropped . . . after maybe being used for shelter from sun and the night cold??

Each human is unique. The real story of each person could be a book, I suppose :)

the 'Muslim Prayer Curtain' that Obama had installed in the White House.
Well, it seems the Sharia Law Muslims are for severe punishment of gays; I do not think Barack ever did much to make a problem for gay people.

people believe it offhand.
I think we can believe what we want to be true. Gullible people can believe exact opposite things, right? It might depend on their motives and what they wish to be true, or just who got to them first.

If that is happening, then it is Trump supporters who are doing these things.
Ah-hah! Yeah, someone could plant a rug, or save some time by just planting a report. But let's see some pictures.

Some come with a compass actually sewn in.
Oh-h . . . so they can know which direction is Mecca. They pray toward Mecca, I understand.

So . . . talking about the open border might alert certain people who did not know they could get in maybe without detection. But ones might not want to find out if they have the strength to make it through the heat. And nights in a desert can be quite cold, in case this applies.

Also, it can be that a terrorist operative might want to blend in to the American culture so he or she is not noticed while preparing for attacks or assisting those who will attack. So, crossing illegally could mean the person does not have proper ID and visas and other things for gaining credibility.

But a special-op trained attacker might not need to spend a lot of time going through blend-in measures.

It seems to me that the more local Mexican drug cartel people might have the most motivation and know-how for crossing.

So . . . I think . . . each person can speak for oneself about what he or she is doing or would do. It might be too lazy to say they all would do this or that, or someone has to be something because he or she said something.
 
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Do you think many people not from the Americas during the last 20 years have tried to walk across the southern border? That is, before Trump publized the idea?

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I was able to search up after several tries what appears to show numbers answering that:
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/f...ionwide-apps-sector-citizenship-fy07-fy17.pdf
And it does show that before Trump there were citizens from Asian and European, etc., doing illegal crossings over the southern border (though not very large numbers still enough to be a concern), so therefore it was already a valid concern before Trump.
Here's 2017 numbers:
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/f...p-apprehensions-citizenship-sector-fy2017.pdf
No doubt has been a concern. Still is because it is still happening.
 
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This sounds very much like the 'Muslim Prayer Curtain' that Obama had installed in the White House.
Which can be used as a good windbreaker outdoors and also fly and mosquito prevention....Nah there's no such thing as a Muslim prayer curtain.
 
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This is so ridiculous. How can anyone take this seriously? Do we not all know that animals need to move freely across this area?

This whole wall idea is a juvenile fantasy. A 2000-mile-long concrete or "steel slat" wall. Right.
 
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Stories about finding prayer rugs have been coming from the border for more than a decade and each time they have been discredited.

Actually the stories have been circulating for almost 30 years, there were articles about them when I lived there in the 80s/90s. ISIS members have been seen and or apprehended in S. American countries for a few years now so it's not a stretch that some of them may have came to this country thru our open southern border.
 
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I guess everyone is lying to us

More than some people care to admit.

I guess they don't mind the people they vote for doing what is good for themselves/campaign contributors and ignoring what is right for the country, this is more commonly called "Voting for your own demise"... go figure.
 
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Last time I checked it's not illegal to be a Muslim, or to own a prayer rug.
Nor is it illegal I guess for peaceful Muslims to carpet the border instead of building a wall. Who knows.
 
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No doubt has been a concern. Still is because it is still happening.
Therefore...due to tunnels, boats, small airplane, we need instead the more sophisticated monitoring. Making them go through a tunnel could make them harder to detect for a time if they got a new tunnel operating before we detect the tunnel. Put another way, a wall isn't the barrier against terrorists.

Also, since walls cause tunnels, then you'd end up empowering more 'coyotes' (smugglers) and because of the increased coyotes thereby wouldn't it cause more children to fall victims of trafficking?
 
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Why don't we just shut down 800000 people's paychecks and make some of them work for free? Then the economy can really tank and we'll be blissfully free of immigrants. But I guess those naughty Muslims might still want to pray in our uninhabitable desert...
 
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Can we see pictures of these prayer rugs? Where exactly have they been found? Are the ranchers sure they can distinguish between Muslim prayer rugs and just rugs or other cloth items?

If these questions aren't answered, the story has no content.


I'm sorry, but "rugs" aren't the point. I could take a photograph of a prayer rug in 5 minutes and make a fake article to convince people of an untruth the same as someone can do it without photographs.. photographs of rugs isn't proof something printed is either true or untrue.

Anything can be used as a prayer rug... It doesn't have to be specifically designed to pray on.

Terrorists know exactly how to get into this country if they want. While getting through the southern border is more expensive and a lengthier process (taking a longer amount of time), it's possible if you really want in to go that route.

I have first hand experience with a terrorist (a real potential terrorist, Taliban and Al-Qaeda supporter (before ISIS) ) telling me the government deporting him and barring him from reentry wouldn't stop him from coming back, he'd just go through the southern border illegally.

It's not a huge secret we don't have border security, it's no secret we have somewhere around 20 million people who have done it successfully before, some multiple times - the entire world knows and that includes our enemies.

So acting like we need proof it's happening via "pictures of prayer rugs" is silliness. Anyone can take a pic. I can do it now if you prefer - lol - or we can just have a conversation about the problem.
 
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