Does God allow abortions?

Strong in Him · Jan 16, 2019

High Fidelity said:
Numbers 5:11-31.

That's got nothing to do with abortion; it seems to be a way of testing whether or not a woman has been unfaithful. It doesn't even say that the woman is pregnant.

SkyWriting · Jan 16, 2019

Foxfyre said:
And within that same principle, if I believe abortion to be wrong, to be a sin, I should not be required to perform one regardless of the race, religion, ethnicity, et al of the person wanting it.

If you are trained to offer abortions, you may only discriminate for health reasons.

SkyWriting · Jan 16, 2019

Foxfyre said:
I said nothing about discriminating against anybody. So yes, ANYBODY who comes into my shop to buy whatever I have for sale should be able to buy that product. But I should not have to make a special product that would offend me for that same person.

If you offer special products, you must make those products without discrimination for who gets them or their purpose, which is not in your control anyway. In particular Christians, and their stupid large gaudy offensive wasteful expensive weddings.

SkyWriting · Jan 16, 2019

Matt Evans said:
Personally if a law came out which requires me to violate any of God's laws (and there will come a time when this happens) then I for one will happily disobey the government ! It's open to interpretation
and I guess that will all depend on whose laws your value most, God's laws or those of man !

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities...not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

SkyWriting · Jan 16, 2019

aiki said:
If God's will diverges from that of the "local government," it is obvious that God's will is the one His children are to follow. Would you have followed the Nazi government in Germany, murdering Jews, gypsies, and the mental deficient in concentration camps? Or would you have obeyed God rather than men?

From the scriptures, it says to obey government first.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities...not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

aiki · Jan 16, 2019

SkyWriting said:
From the scriptures, it says to obey government first.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities...not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

This is neither the First and Great Commandment nor the second. (Matthew 22:36-39) And Scripture says that we are to obey God rather than men. (Acts 5:29)

1213 · Jan 16, 2019

SkyWriting said:
Pro Life Agencies do not fund or adopt unwanted children, not even to stop them from being murdered, becasue of the cost involved. When presses they say "Why should I pay for other peoples lack of responsibility." To save a life perhaps?

I think it could be good, if they could be adopted by people who anyway would like to adopt baby.

Foxfyre · Jan 16, 2019

SkyWriting said:
If you are trained to offer abortions, you may only discriminate for health reasons.

A doctor is trained to DO abortions, not offer them. He must know the procedure which is the same for D&Cs for uteral infections or if termination of a pregnancy is medically necessary. He should never be required to do an abortion for the convenience of the mother or as a means of birth control or any other frivolous reason.

Foxfyre · Jan 16, 2019

SkyWriting said:
If you offer special products, you must make those products without discrimination for who gets them or their purpose, which is not in your control anyway. In particular Christians, and their stupid large gaudy offensive wasteful expensive weddings.

I dislike the gaudy weddings too, but do not judge those who can afford them and want them.

And I should have every right to determine what special products I will offer. If I as a Christian want to offer hot cross buns for Easter, I will sell the buns to anybody--Christian, Jew, Hindu, Atheist or whatever who wants them, but that does not extrapolate to me having to decorate buns with a KKK for the local Klan meeting. If I decorate a cake with dogs and such for the reception after the dog show, that does not extrapolate to me having to decorate a cake with fighting dogs for Michael Vick.

Freedom of conscience should be freedom in ALL matters of conscience.

buzuxi02 · Jan 16, 2019

SkyWriting said:
And yet you claim "Polygamy is only lawful for Jews and Muslims."
Which laws are you applying, or not, to whom?

Torah and Shariah law allows for polygamy if there is an excess of women and if its financially feasible for the man. Christians are forbidden from practising polygamy regardless.

buzuxi02 · Jan 16, 2019

Foxfyre said:
The kings given to the Hebrews/Israelites/Jews at their request, as described in the Bible, were divinely appointed. There was no command to obey the Egyptian Pharoah or Nebuchadnezzer. If Moses' mother had obeyed the Egyptian decree, there would have been no Moses. If Joseph and Mary had submitted to Herod, Baby Jesus would have never become an adult.

The NT rules of God appointed rulers were speaking of the Roman rulers. One does not have to obey any specific ruler but during those days monarchs were universally considered a divine appointment and by extensions their appointments. Paul would not use such language today. He may say to obey laws but today he would not say God has placed a politician in that position.
We vote today, it's all man made appointments, nothing of God about them.

RDKirk · Jan 16, 2019

kiwimac said:
There is no biblical oppostion to abortion and that is simply because a foetus was not considered human until birth.

OTOH, people who knew the apostles figured it out very quickly.

Pedra · Jan 16, 2019

SkyWriting said:
Only if they live in that jurisdiction. Officially, the Mormon church is opposed.

See Genesis 4:19
Genesis 16:1-4
Genesis 29:18-29

That is completely false and nothing in the Bible teaches that.

SkyWriting · Jan 16, 2019

buzuxi02 said:
Christians are forbidden from practising polygamy regardless.

Is that the first covenant or the second?

SkyWriting · Jan 16, 2019

Pedra said:
That is completely false and nothing in the Bible teaches that.

The Bible doesn't include Genesis?

SkyWriting · Jan 16, 2019

buzuxi02 said:
The NT rules of God appointed rulers were speaking of the Roman rulers. One does not have to obey any specific ruler but during those days monarchs were universally considered a divine appointment and by extensions their appointments. Paul would not use such language today. He may say to obey laws but today he would not say God has placed a politician in that position.
We vote today, it's all man made appointments, nothing of God about them.

What mechanism did God actually use to set up monarchs that none of us are aware of?

ItIsFinished! · Jan 16, 2019

SkyWriting said:
From the scriptures, it says to obey government first.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities...not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

SMH...

SkyWriting · Jan 16, 2019

Foxfyre said:
I dislike the gaudy weddings too, but do not judge those who can afford them and want them.

And I should have every right to determine what special products I will offer. If I as a Christian want to offer hot cross buns for Easter, I will sell the buns to anybody--Christian, Jew, Hindu, Atheist or whatever who wants them, but that does not extrapolate to me having to decorate buns with a KKK for the local Klan meeting. If I decorate a cake with dogs and such for the reception after the dog show, that does not extrapolate to me having to decorate a cake with fighting dogs for Michael Vick.

Freedom of conscience should be freedom in ALL matters of conscience.

As long as you do not discriminate for illegal reasons, you may keep your business licence.

SkyWriting · Jan 16, 2019

ItIsFinished! said:
SMH...

My case is stronger.

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2:1-2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1:5
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21:1
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29:2
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28:1-68
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11

ItIsFinished! · Jan 16, 2019

SkyWriting said:
My case is stronger.

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2:1-2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1:5
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21:1
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29:2
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28:1-68
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11

Actually it isn't whatsoever.

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