No Animals, thus no Evolution, When God First Created Adam; Animals were added Later

No Evolution on the First Creation of Adam

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Genesis 1:20 The Fifth Day of Creation
Then God said: Let the water teem with an abundance of living creatures, and on the earth let birds fly beneath the dome of the sky. God created the great sea monsters and all kinds of crawling living creatures with which the water teems, and all kinds of winged birds. God saw that it was good, and God blessed them, saying: Be fertile, multiply, and fill the water of the seas; and let the birds multiply on the earth.

Evening came, and morning followed—the fifth day.

God Exists outside of the physical time, and the physical world, which He Created. God is Omni-Present to the whole of physical time, of Creation, which He Created. God can, and likely did, go back in physical time to adjust Creation. God likely even added the Fifth Day of Creation.

Did you ever wonder why plant life was created on Day Three of Creation, but animal life was Created on Day Five of Creation? Animals on earth, including dinosaurs, were an after thought, in God's thought, 'It is not good for the man to be alone', which happened only after Adam was already made. God only thought of introducing animals on earth, after Adam was already Created, on the Sixth Day of Creation. God went back to Creation Day Five, or, highly likely, added Creation Day Five, and re-Created the past of the universe, with animals, in it. God also Re-Created man as man and woman.

Dinosaurs should have lived, during the possible hundreds of millions of years passing in Creation Day Three, had they been in God's original plan. Earth had already been locked down to 24 hour days, and in our sun's orbit, on Day Four of Creation. Man was already Created on Creation Day Six of Creation. It is highly likely, that while, (possibly hundreds of millions of years), of plant life, lived and flourished during Day Three of Creation, Dinosaurs were only inserted into earth's recorded past of Creation Day Three, on Creation Day Five, by God. This is the first record of multiple realities.

God also put Adam into an unconscious state, and re-Created man as man and woman.

Now that is an All Powerful God!

Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man. So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.

The LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:

“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”
I talk about multiple realities, such as God re-Creating the universe with animals in it, in my thread: Scientific Proof That the Universe Does Not Exist without Conscious Man, Adam, to Observe it.
 

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Genesis 1:20 The Fifth Day of Creation
Then God said: Let the water teem with an abundance of living creatures, and on the earth let birds fly beneath the dome of the sky. God created the great sea monsters and all kinds of crawling living creatures with which the water teems, and all kinds of winged birds. God saw that it was good, and God blessed them, saying: Be fertile, multiply, and fill the water of the seas; and let the birds multiply on the earth.

Evening came, and morning followed—the fifth day.

God Exists outside of the physical time, and the physical world, which He Created. God is Omni-Present to the whole of physical time, of Creation, which He Created. God can, and likely did, go back in physical time to adjust Creation. God likely even added the Fifth Day of Creation.

Did you ever wonder why plant life was created on Day Three of Creation, but animal life was Created on Day Five of Creation? Animals on earth, including dinosaurs, were an after thought, in God's thought, 'It is not good for the man to be alone', which happened only after Adam was already made. God only thought of introducing animals on earth, after Adam was already Created, on the Sixth Day of Creation. God went back to Creation Day Five, or, highly likely, added Creation Day Five, and re-Created the past of the universe, with animals, in it. God also Re-Created man as man and woman.

Dinosaurs should have lived, during the possible hundreds of millions of years passing in Creation Day Three, had they been in God's original plan. Earth had already been locked down to 24 hour days, and in our sun's orbit, on Day Four of Creation. Man was already Created on Creation Day Six of Creation. It is highly likely, that while, (possibly hundreds of millions of years), of plant life, lived and flourished during Day Three of Creation, Dinosaurs were only inserted into earth's recorded past of Creation Day Three, on Creation Day Five, by God. This is the first record of multiple realities.

God also put Adam into an unconscious state, and re-Created man as man and woman.

Now that is an All Powerful God!

Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man. So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.

The LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:

“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”
I talk about multiple realities, such as God re-Creating the universe with animals in it, in my thread: Scientific Proof That the Universe Does Not Exist without Conscious Man, Adam, to Observe it.

The creation is heaven and earth no where in the Bible (or Genesis) is it stated God created a universe. Heaven does not equal sciences universe.

Dinosaurs are more than likely connected to the nephelium and the flood and not part of God's animal creation in Genesis 1.
So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

Why would God have the sabbath as a day of rest. if that day did not actual mean an actual day. Did God rest for millions of years. or does the Bible state that God rested on the 7th day. And a actual day is observed for the sabbath the last day of the week.

Also more than likely since we are not using Gods time piece, He created in the sky and instead we are using sciences created system for time. Our time keeping is not true and the actual new year could be at the end of September.
 
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Interesting. I'm now taking a class in Fish Biology. In yesterday's lecture, I was taught that the Devonian Age, which happened about 450 mya, was called the age of fishes. But most fishes were jawless. Today, only two species of jawless fish still exist: The hagfish and the sea lamprey.
In comparison to the literal 6 day creation, God created ALL the sea creatures and fish alongside with birds on Day 5. Both old earth and young earth science give proof that sea creatures existed before land animals. Adam was created on Day 6.
So marine animals, like fish, either way, did exist before Adam.
 
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Interesting. I'm now taking a class in Fish Biology. In yesterday's lecture, I was taught that the Devonian Age, which happened about 450 mya, was called the age of fishes. But most fishes were jawless. Today, only two species of jawless fish still exist: The hagfish and the sea lamprey.
In comparison to the literal 6 day creation, God created ALL the sea creatures and fish alongside with birds on Day 5. Both old earth and young earth science give proof that sea creatures existed before land animals. Adam was created on Day 6.
So marine animals, like fish, either way, did exist before Adam.

Hello SC,
Do you have proof that Animals lived hundreds of millions of years ago, rather than a record of fossils was created in our past, by God, once He did create animals, after Adam was made? Do you have proof that God lied about creating animals after He Created Adam?

Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man. So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.​
 
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False and unbiblical.

Hello Dadagast,
How are you reading Genesis 2?

Genesis 2:15
The LORD God then took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden, to cultivate and care for it. The LORD God gave the man this order: You are free to eat from any of the trees of the garden except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. From that tree you shall not eat; when you eat from it you shall die.

The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man.

So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.
LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:


“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”​
 
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Genesis 1:20 The Fifth Day of Creation
Then God said: Let the water teem with an abundance of living creatures, and on the earth let birds fly beneath the dome of the sky. God created the great sea monsters and all kinds of crawling living creatures with which the water teems, and all kinds of winged birds. God saw that it was good, and God blessed them, saying: Be fertile, multiply, and fill the water of the seas; and let the birds multiply on the earth.

Evening came, and morning followed—the fifth day.

God Exists outside of the physical time, and the physical world, which He Created. God is Omni-Present to the whole of physical time, of Creation, which He Created. God can, and likely did, go back in physical time to adjust Creation. God likely even added the Fifth Day of Creation.

Did you ever wonder why plant life was created on Day Three of Creation, but animal life was Created on Day Five of Creation? Animals on earth, including dinosaurs, were an after thought, in God's thought, 'It is not good for the man to be alone', which happened only after Adam was already made. God only thought of introducing animals on earth, after Adam was already Created, on the Sixth Day of Creation. God went back to Creation Day Five, or, highly likely, added Creation Day Five, and re-Created the past of the universe, with animals, in it. God also Re-Created man as man and woman.

Dinosaurs should have lived, during the possible hundreds of millions of years passing in Creation Day Three, had they been in God's original plan. Earth had already been locked down to 24 hour days, and in our sun's orbit, on Day Four of Creation. Man was already Created on Creation Day Six of Creation. It is highly likely, that while, (possibly hundreds of millions of years), of plant life, lived and flourished during Day Three of Creation, Dinosaurs were only inserted into earth's recorded past of Creation Day Three, on Creation Day Five, by God. This is the first record of multiple realities.

God also put Adam into an unconscious state, and re-Created man as man and woman.

Now that is an All Powerful God!

Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man. So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.

The LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:

“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”
I talk about multiple realities, such as God re-Creating the universe with animals in it, in my thread: Scientific Proof That the Universe Does Not Exist without Conscious Man, Adam, to Observe it.
How can you say things like. " He (God) likely did ". That is your assumption and adding to scripture! You may be misleading people!!!!! Not good! On your 5th day comments likely did go back!
 
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How can you say things like. " He (God) likely did ". That is your assumption and adding to scripture! You may be misleading people!!!!! Not good! On your 5th day comments

Hello harko,
How do you explain God creating animals and woman after Adam was already made and already placed in the Garden of Eden?
 
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Hello harko,
How do you explain God creating animals and woman after Adam was already made and already placed in the Garden of Eden?
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I cant because I wasn't there nor do I have any wish to fabricate
I wanted to know how you can say God can ........and LIKELY DID revisit!! Its not in scripture!
 
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I cant because I wasn't there nor do I have any wish to fabricate
I wanted to know how you can say God can ........and LIKELY DID revisit!! Its not in scripture!

Hello Harko,
Scripture tell us that the saints (sons of God) shouted for joy, as God brought Creation into existence. How can that be? Well, it seems, there is no restriction of physical time, which God Created, on the spiritual realm. Saints die, are judged by Jesus into eternal life, are eternally begotten of God, or 'born again', and then live for all eternity outside of physical time. God lives outside of physical time, which He Created, also.

JOB 38:7
Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who streched out the measuring line for it? Into what were its pedestals sunk, and who laid the cornerstone, While the morning stars sang in chorus and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Deuteronomy 32:8
When the Most High assigned the nations their heritage, when he parceled out the descendants of Adam, He set up the boundaries of the peoples after the number of the sons of God; While the LORD'S own portion was Jacob,His hereditary share was Israel.

Wisdom 5:5
See how he is accounted among the sons of God; how his lot is with the saints!
 
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It's possible when it reads "So the Lord God formed out of the ground all wild animals, and all the birds of the air," it does so referencing the fifth day of creation (edit: and sixth day of creation before man). Before any day of creation, I believe God had least a general idea and actually a plan for how the days of creation would go. This includes the creation of man, not wanting him to be alone; so in advance knowing He didn't want man to be alone, God created animals and knowing none would be suitable, Adam was made man for when Eve would be made woman.
 
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It's possible when it reads "So the Lord God formed out of the ground all wild animals, and all the birds of the air," it does so referencing the fifth day of creation. Before any day of creation, I believe God had least a general idea and actually a plan for how the days of creation would go. This includes the creation of man, not wanting him to be alone; so in advance knowing He didn't want man to be alone, God created animals and knowing none would be suitable, Adam was made man for when Eve would be made woman.

Hello Brotherly Spirit,
Are you telling me that you believe our OmniPotent God cannot go back in physical time?

Scientists think they can develop technology to go back in physical time. They will not be able to go back in time to before the technology is invented, but from then on. Also it is known that if you walk one direction, physical time bends into the past, walk the other way physical time bends into the future, a half a universe away. physical time bends even two or three hundred years into the future or past. Quantum physicists tell us that the capability for physical time is all hard wired into the quantum level of existence.
 
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Hello Brotherly Spirit,
Are you telling me that you believe our OmniPotent God cannot go back in physical time?

Scientists think they can develop technology to go back in physical time. They will not be able to go back in time to before the technology is invented, but from then on. Also it is known that if you walk one direction, physical time bends into the past, walk the other way physical time bends into the future, a half a universe away. physical time bends even two or three hundred years into the future or past. Quantum physicists tell us that the capability for physical time is all hard wired into the quantum level of existence.

No. I'm just considering the context with what's in the scriptures.
 
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No. I'm just considering the context with what's in the scriptures.
Hello Brotherly Spirit,
I am glad you agree that our Omnipotent God can go back in physical time.

What I see in the Book of Genesis, is our God's whole reason, and our God's whole focus, for making our huge universe, is the, love for God capable, man, He Creates on the Sixth Day of Creation. God is literally not going to rest until this is accomplished. God is thinking, that if man has God, what else could he desire? I see Adam as God's First Contact with intelligent life, other than Himself. God wants a relationship with man, and this is why God is building the universe in the first place. Is it not sentimental that it is God and man, working out the adjustments of the universe together, in their newly established relationship, that woman and animals then came into existence?

Adam is pretty excited to get his new gift from God, woman, after all.

Genesis 2:21
So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.

LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:

“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”

That is why a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife, and the two of them become one body.
 
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If The Messiah (Christ) does not return, eventually evolution will be taught and defended in Christianity (church) just as the globe earth, universe idea is now.

Hello d,

Good thing Jesus is Coming Soon!

Divine Mercy in My Soul
by St. Faustina​
I saw the Mother of God, who said to me, Oh, how pleasing to God is the soul that follows faithfully the inspirations of His grace! I gave the Savior to the world; as for you, you have to speak to the world about His great mercy and prepare the world for the Second Coming of Him who will come, not as a merciful Savior, but as a just Judge. Oh, how terrible is that day! Determined is the day of justice, the day of divine wrath. The angels tremble before it. Speak to souls about this great mercy while it is still the time for [granting] mercy. If you keep silent now, you will be answering for a great number of souls on that terrible day. Fear nothing. Be faithful to the end. I sympathize with you.” (Divine Mercy in My Soul, 635)

“Jesus looked at me and said, Souls perish in spite of My bitter Passion. I am giving them the last hope of salvation; that is, the Feast of My Mercy. If they will not adore My mercy, they will perish for all eternity. Secretary of My mercy, write, tell souls about this great mercy of Mine, because the awful day, the day of My justice, is near.” (965)
Jesus has us preparing for the next biblical, some may call it 'evolutionary', upgrade.

Recieving 'God's Seal' from Jesus, to Become His 'Elect', and Survive Armageddon
 
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Hello Brotherly Spirit,
I am glad you agree that our Omnipotent God can go back in physical time.

What I see in the Book of Genesis, is our God's whole reason, and our God's whole focus, for making our huge universe, is the, love for God capable, man, He Creates on the Sixth Day of Creation. God is literally not going to rest until this is accomplished. God is thinking, that if man has God, what else could he desire? I see Adam as God's First Contact with intelligent life, other than Himself. God wants a relationship with man, and this is why God is building the universe in the first place. Is it not sentimental that it is God and man, working out the adjustments of the universe together, in their newly established relationship, that woman and animals then came into existence?

Adam is pretty excited to get his new gift from God, woman, after all.

Genesis 2:21
So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.

LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:

“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”

That is why a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife, and the two of them become one body.

If God is all knowing and all powerful, what He's capable of is beyond my understanding. Even what we perceive as going back in physical time could be our limited perspectives. I believe God is outside time and space, but when interacting with us He's within it except remains beyond it. For example God could simultaneously exist in the past, present, and future. Being everywhere and everything, knowing and understanding it all.

Such a being as God in my mind would know the present and the future in the past. He would have both in mind as He created each day. Also I believe God is a being of His word and ensures it goes as planned, when it doesn't seem possible He finds a way unexpected to us. So though Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 accounts of the order of creation for man and animals seems contradictory, it's possible both are simultaneously true. Example is Genesis 2 having creation out of order could just be what God had known and considered before, but it happens to be mentioned/recorded after though it actually happened before.

Also my position on God and Evolution is He created the laws of the universe and the laws of nature. This includes evolution, which I believe is a tool or process He used/uses within the limited/finite realm of our existence.
 
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If God is all knowing and all powerful, what He's capable of is beyond my understanding. Even what we perceive as going back in physical time could be our limited perspectives. I believe God is outside time and space, but when interacting with us He's within it except remains beyond it.

Hello Brotherly Spirit,
So you are thinking it is only God's Child, Jesus Christ, who broke all of sciences rules, and not God the Father Himself, at Creation? Jesus did not, as you call it "when interacting with us He's within it", in regards to obeying the rules of science and nature. Jesus healed the sick, cured the lame, stopped the raging seas, turned water into wine, fed thousands of people with a couple fish and a few loaves of bread, and even raised the dead! Or maybe you question whether Jesus really could have acted outside the laws of physical nature, as scripture, and most Christians believe He did?

To show His compassion and Power, Jesus often turned to God's Almighty Power, on earth, in His relationship with His followers. I think God the Father did the same thing with His precious, love for God capable, intelligent and conscious of the tremendous Power God was using for him and his descendants, first man Adam. If God wanted to simply pull animals out of the ground and into existence, to show Adam how much He loved Him, why would God hold back on that? It is modern day atheist scientists, who get upset when they hear about our Omnipotent God's Power, and say that it is not fair for God to do such a thing.

God Created man to have a relationship with man. God used His tremendous Power, to help and please man, whom He had Created. Why do we want to pull this beautiful interaction between God and Adam out of the Bible, in order to please atheist scientists? We must thank God for His loving gift of our man and wife relationships. And our dogs and cats.

Genesis 2:15
The LORD God then took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden, to cultivate and care for it. The LORD God gave the man this order: You are free to eat from any of the trees of the garden except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. From that tree you shall not eat; when you eat from it you shall die.

The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man.

So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said:

“This one, at last, is bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

This one shall be called ‘woman,’

for out of man this one has been taken.”

 
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