Bible condones poisoning yourself with ethanol?

Fish14 said:

I drank that horrendous, lethal poison for the second time in my life last night. It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! First it felt kind of good, but memorizing that, it was more about losing self-control than being happy. I possibly lost my reputation by sending drunken messages to everyone, in the morning I will see! Or maybe I will stay at home due to hangover. I wish there was a worlwide prohibition for the next thousand years or so because no one needs to drink that anti-life, anti-happiness, Satanic psychoactive narcotic poison. At least 50 000 000 000 life years, or 50 BILLLION, have been lost directly due to this chemical during the history of mankind, and much more because of lost productivity and thus less charity to help poor countries in birth control and food security.

Now why does the Bible have verses such as these:

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine...

Ecclesiastes 9:7
...drink your wine with a joyful heart...

In John 2:3-11, our beloved God turns jarfuls of delicious water into disgusting wine. Why?

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Because some people's opinions differ from yours?

Fish14 said:

I drank that horrendous, lethal poison for the second time in my life last night. It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! First it felt kind of good, but memorizing that, it was more about losing self-control than being happy. I possibly lost my reputation by sending drunken messages to everyone, in the morning I will see! Or maybe I will stay at home due to hangover. I wish there was a worlwide prohibition for the next thousand years or so because no one needs to drink that anti-life, anti-happiness, Satanic psychoactive narcotic poison. At least 50 000 000 000 life years, or 50 BILLLION, have been lost directly due to this chemical during the history of mankind, and much more because of lost productivity and thus less charity to help poor countries in birth control and food security.

Now why does the Bible have verses such as these:

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine...

Ecclesiastes 9:7
...drink your wine with a joyful heart...

In John 2:3-11, our beloved God turns jarfuls of delicious water into disgusting wine. Why?

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I'll just weigh in. I agree with the bible. Old people drink sometimes to deal with the pains of getting old. And alcohol can be less destructive to one's life then say pain meds from a doctor. But alcohol can also be destructive if abused. The bible talks also about not being a drunkard or drinking to riot level: Galatians 5:21, 1 Corinthians 6:10, Ephesians 5:17-19.

Of course drinking alcohol is evil. As soon as Christ had finished turning the water into wine, he rebuked the people for being drunk, and gave a sermon on the evils of drinking.

Fish14 said:

Oh no, I feel a bit like vomiting again! Bye, I will close Christian Forums and focus on my breathing so I won't vomit.

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Sounds like you drank out of control. Yes that may be a problem then.

Fish14 said:

...why does the Bible have verses such as these:
1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine...

Ecclesiastes 9:7
...drink your wine with a joyful heart...

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Well, I believe these two verses are not referring to the kind of wines of today and it was a diluted wine that was very low in alcoholic content and it would not intoxicate as easily like today's wines. According to various historical sources, the Israelites used to mix water with their wine so as to dilute the potency of the alcoholic content. Only barbarians (Gentiles) would drink strong undiluted wine. In fact, in most Gentile cultures of the world, wine is consumed in an undiluted state.

1 Timothy 5:23 is more like a medical prescription for an upset stomach because the water was most likely contaminated and it needed to be purified. Paul was not prescribing this to all believers but this was a special case for an upset stomach. For cough medicine is only taken to help a cough. But you can actually be impaired to drive a motor vehicle if you take a certain amount of cough syrup.

Also, 1 Timothy 5:23 is proof that they mixed wine with water in those days. They diluted the wine so it would not get them drunk as skunks like today's wines.

You said:

In John 2:3-11, our beloved God turns jarfuls of delicious water into disgusting wine. Why?

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I believe Jesus made unfermented (non-intoxicating) wine (Note: I will give you Scriptural reasons in my next post).

The word "wine" instantly conjures up the idea of alcoholic wine in people's minds because of our party like culture. But this is not how the Dictionary defines it.

Websters 1913 Dictionary:

Wine:
The expressed juice of grapes, esp. when fermented; a beverage or liquor prepared from.grapes by squeezing out their juice, and (usually) allowing it to ferment.

A liquor or beverage prepared from the juice of any fruit or plant by a process similar to that.for grape wine; as, currant wine; gooseberry wine; palm wine.

Source:
Wine | Definition of Wine by Webster's Online Dictionary
(Please click on the link)

1828 Webster’s Dictionary defines the word “must” as “new wine-wine pressed from the grape, but not fermented.” Note that the unfermented grape juice is here explicitly called “new wine.”

The 1759 Nathan Bailey’s New Universal English Dictionary of Words and of Arts and Sciences offers the following definition for “wine”: “Natural wine is such as it comes from the grape, without any mixture or sophistication. Adulterated wine is that wherein some drug is added to give it strength, fineness, flavor, briskness, or some other qualification.”

The etymology of the word "wine":
"Old Irish fin, Gaelic fion. Essentially the same word as vine.

Fish14 said:

I drank that horrendous, lethal poison for the second time in my life last night. It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! First it felt kind of good, but memorizing that, it was more about losing self-control than being happy. I possibly lost my reputation by sending drunken messages to everyone, in the morning I will see! Or maybe I will stay at home due to hangover. I wish there was a worlwide prohibition for the next thousand years or so because no one needs to drink that anti-life, anti-happiness, Satanic psychoactive narcotic poison. At least 50 000 000 000 life years, or 50 BILLLION, have been lost directly due to this chemical during the history of mankind, and much more because of lost productivity and thus less charity to help poor countries in birth control and food security.

Now why does the Bible have verses such as these:

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine...

Ecclesiastes 9:7
...drink your wine with a joyful heart...

In John 2:3-11, our beloved God turns jarfuls of delicious water into disgusting wine. Why?

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I am a non-drinker so I would certainly have no problem with more people taking up that lifestyle.


The Bible does mention beer and wine. I'm not sure that everyone realizes that the Bible tells us nothing about distilled liquor, or fortified wine, because distillation of alcoholic beverages had not been invented yet. Distilled liquor was invented by the Arabs in north Africa in the 11th century AD. It spread to Europe by the 13th century.

It does look like many of the destructive effects of alcohol consumption can be linked to distilled beverages like whiskey and vodka.

Fish14 said:

I drank that horrendous, lethal poison for the second time in my life last night. It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! First it felt kind of good, but memorizing that, it was more about losing self-control than being happy. I possibly lost my reputation by sending drunken messages to everyone, in the morning I will see! Or maybe I will stay at home due to hangover. I wish there was a worlwide prohibition for the next thousand years or so because no one needs to drink that anti-life, anti-happiness, Satanic psychoactive narcotic poison. At least 50 000 000 000 life years, or 50 BILLLION, have been lost directly due to this chemical during the history of mankind, and much more because of lost productivity and thus less charity to help poor countries in birth control and food security.

Now why does the Bible have verses such as these:

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine...

Ecclesiastes 9:7
...drink your wine with a joyful heart...

In John 2:3-11, our beloved God turns jarfuls of delicious water into disgusting wine. Why?

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Wine and the Bible:

(A Five Point Summary):


A. The Three Types of Wine in the Bible:

Among the saints and various cultures, wine in Biblical Times was Mixed with Water. This would be one of the three types of wine mentioned in the Bible.

Here is a list of the three types of wine mentioned in Scripture:


I believe the wine during Bible times that the Old Testament saints drank was Wine Type #2, whereby it was a wine mixed with water and was lower in alcoholic content (Which was the wine seen at the Wedding of Cana before Christ made Wine Type #3, which was non intoxicating grape juice or unfermented wine); In other words, the wines commonly drank by the OT saints was not like the strong wines of today; And Jesus made grape juice that made was considered the “best wine.” Wines of today (By wine tasters) are considered the best by their taste and not how much they can intoxicate you.

Wine mixed (diluted) with Water Verses:

Revelation 14:10 says,
“The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb”
(Contrast this with Psalms 75:8)

1 Timothy 5:23 says,
"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."

Proverbs 9:2 (NIV) says,
"She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine; she has also set her table."

Proverbs 23:31 - Do not look at wine when it is red.

John 19:34 - Blood and water mingled together from Christ's side; And Scripture essentially says the wine in the Lord's supper is representative of Jesus's blood (See Matthew 26:27-29). The water is representative of the Scriptures (See Ephesians 5:26). We are told to abide in Christ and abide in His words (See John 15:7).

Isaiah 1:22 CJB
“Your silver is no longer pure, your wine is watered down.”

Pure silver, which would be too soft to be durable, is mixed with 5-20% copper in an alloy known as sterling silver.

How silver is made - material, making, history, used, processing, industry

If one were to take note: One has to mix copper in silver in order for it to be durable so as to be used. Just as one must use water in their mixture of wine to drink it more safely like an Israelite.

So the idea here is that the silver (mixed with copper) they use has become so dross (or watered down it is then cheap. Just as the wine (mixed with water) is diluted even more whereby it is cheap wine to the Israelite.

Wine could be carried in an undiluted state within leather skin like bottles and then later mixed with water for use. Timothy was told to use a little wine in his water because of the infirmities in his stomach. Paul was telling him to use Biblical wine so as to resolve a medical issue.

Extra Biblical Sources on how wine was mixed with water:

2 Maccabees 15:39, Talmud, and Justin Martyr, etc.


B. The Nature of Alcohol:

Alcoholic wine is a product of decay and death. God creates things that are full of life and things that are good. If you were to take alcohol and put it in a cup and then put some dirty coins in there, the alcohol would clean the coins. If you were to put a small piece of fruit or meat in the alcohol, it would dry it out. The alcohol has no understanding of being outside your body or inside your body. Soon as it enters the body, it does the same thing. It seeks to dry out things and to destroy your living tissue. But it is a good thing we have an immune system that can fight back so as to survive. In other words, alcohol is a very minor poison that your body can counter effects of whereby you will not die. But the abuse of this poison can easily kill you because of its harmful effects.


C. Six Biblical Reasons Why Jesus's Miracle Was Unfermented Wine (Fresh Grape Juice):

In fact, if Jesus made alcoholic wine He would have broken Scripture in a number of places and he would have encouraged future generations of alcoholics to have the green light that it is okay to drink (Whereby they would slip back into drinking themselves to death). Anyways, here are 6 reasons in the Bible that make it absolutely clear that Jesus could not have made intoxicating wine.


Therefore, Jesus did not create alcoholic wine as a part of His miracle in John 2; And nor did He even drink the Biblical wine that OT saints drank which was mixed with water and lower in alcoholic content. Jesus drank with his disciples of the fruit of the vine at the Last Supper. The fruit of the vine is what the Scriptures say He drank (Matthew 26:29). The fruit of the vine is grape juice! --- Not fermented intoxicating alcohol! That would be like calling an orange smoothie drink in being like the fruit of the orange!

D. Wine, Knowledge, and Our Conscience:

I believe the consumption of alcohol can only be used for medical reasons (like to ease pain, to purify water, etc.). However, the apostle Paul does not tell us to tempt the LORD and drink known poisons for social reasons. For Alcohol is a poison and many Christians today do not realize this fact. In the Old Testament, drinking strong wine (for social reasons) would have been a grievous sin.

Let's say you are enjoying a nice glass of wine at your local restaurant when you are approached by a fellow believer in Christ who says, "I am offended to see you drink that wine." "My brother used to look up to you for spiritual strength and now he has fallen back into alcoholism because of your public drinking here." What should you think, say or do?

Also, let's say a new believer is baptized and becomes a member of your church. While an unbeliever, he continuously abused drugs and alcohol. Upon becoming a Christian, he vowed to the Lord that he would never use drugs or alcohol ever again. The church (of which he is now a member) uses wine as a part of the Lord's Supper. What happens if this person stumbles back into alcoholism because of their use of alcoholic wine in the Lord's supper? What should the elders think, say or do at this point? Should they continue to use alcohol in the Lord's supper knowing it could make more alcoholics to potentially stumble again?

Jesus calls you to pick up your cross and to deny yourself in everything in your life. For we are supposed to be holy and separate from the world and not be associated with the unfruitful works of darkness. We are to dedicate our lives to Jesus in all things for our love for Him. Not out of some sense of legalism, but out of love. Love for God (Jesus) and love for your fellow brother.


E. The 20 Warnings Against Alcohol in the Bible:



Source Used:
75 Bible References on Drinking Alcohol
(Please take note that I only agree with the Scripture that they posted; This does not mean I am in agreement with the author's other beliefs on other topics).

The Nature of Alcohol (Continued) (It is a Poison):

In my putting away of alcohol, I have come to do deep studies on it and have come to the conclusion that it is a mild poison and a highly addictive drug that can control a person's life.

A study in the UK says that even moderate drinking can cause brain damage.

Even moderate drinking can damage the brain, claim researchers

In 2011, 2.5 million people died from alcohol related reasons.

https://www.ncadd.org/blogs/in-the-news/2-5-million-alcohol-related-deaths-worldwide-annually

The Bible warns against strong intoxicating beverages:

Wine is a mocker (Proverbs 20:1). Strong drink is raging (Proverbs 20:1). Whoever is deceived by it is not wise (Proverbs 20:1). Wine bites like a serpent and stings like an adder (Proverbs 23:32). Do not look upon wine when it is red in the cup and when it moves itself aright (Proverbs 23:31). You have not eaten bread, neither have you drunk wine or strong drink: that you might know that I am the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 29:6). Who has woe? who has sorrow? who has contentions? who has babbling? who has wounds without cause? who has redness of eyes? (Proverbs 23:29). They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. (Proverbs 23:30).

"What is Wrong with a Friendly Glass of Beer?"

Author Unknown

I was speaking to a teenager at a high school conference and one fellow came up to me and said, "Now, Doc, I don't drink, and I don't intend to drink, but actually, what is wrong with a friendly glass of beer?"

I said, "Do you know anything about the chemistry of alcohol?"

"No," he said, "I don't."

I said, "Alcohol is one of the greatest blessing God ever gave us."

"Is it? I thought it was just a curse," he said.

"No, it is a great blessing. The two reagents on a chemist's reagents rack which he uses as solvents are alcohol and water. Alcohol dehydrates and it dissolves. It is a marvelous thing. The photographic industry, tinctures, dyes, medicines, all kinds of things make use of alcohol.

There are about 19 kinds of commercial alcohol which brilliant chemists have developed, and we produce them by the tons. The kind of alcohol you drink is one type (ethyl), and the kind you put in your radiator is another kind (methyl). But all alcohols are poisons. In the body, they are going to cause ill effects. The reason is that they dehydrate and they dissolve.

Have you got a little imagination? Let us do a little chemical experiment here in your imagination. Let us take 16 bottles. In the first eight let us put alcohol and in the last eight let us put water. Over here we will see that alcohol dissolves, and here that it hardens.

Take, for example, some kind of fat and put it on water. It will just float around. What if we put fat in alcohol? Shake it up and it will dissolve. Take some resin, put it in alcohol, shake it up and it will dissolve. It goes to the bottom of water and stays. What happens to camphor? It floats on the water. Put it in alcohol and it will dissolve. We have fat, resin, and camphor. They will dissolve in alcohol. Put a green leaf in alcohol and it will take the color out. Now put these things in water and nothing happens. Now shift over here. Put a little bit of bread in alcohol. What will happen? It will get hard. Put a piece of meat in alcohol. What will happen? It will get hard, it dehydrates, it takes the water out of the meat.

Now this dehydrating and dissolving are the characteristics of alcohol which make it a great blessing. But, friends, when it goes down your gullet, it does not know if it is inside or outside. As soon as it gets in there it begins to work in the same way. It is not affected by gastric juices. It is absorbed through the walls of the stomach into the bloodstream and all your nerves and your brain are bathed with it. Every nerve has fatty substance called lipoid and the moment alcohol touches it, what happens? The alcohol dissolves it. When you dissolve the covering and insulation of the nerves, it is just like a telephone exchange with the insulation off. You do not get the message through to the proper source. This is why men stagger. They call for their right leg to act and the left leg gets the message. When alcohol goes into the heart of the nerves, that happens to be like the white of an egg. Alcohol cooks it. Alcohol is a great harm to the human body and mind because of these two properties of dissolving and dehydrating. Furthermore, alcohol is a narcotic, a deterrent of normal body functions. It is poison which adversely affects our judgment and self-control. It is, we believe, a harm to our offspring because it poisons the life-giving cells."

We talked for half an hour; and finally the teenager said, "Sir, that's the first time I have ever had an intelligent answer as to why I shouldn't drink beer. Thank God you told us."

....


"Alcohol is a very effective dissolving agent. It dissolves families, marriages, friendships, jobs, bank accounts, and neurons, but never problems."


Author Unknown.

Fish14 said:

I drank that horrendous, lethal poison for the second time in my life last night. It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! First it felt kind of good, but memorizing that, it was more about losing self-control than being happy. I possibly lost my reputation by sending drunken messages to everyone, in the morning I will see! Or maybe I will stay at home due to hangover. I wish there was a worlwide prohibition for the next thousand years or so because no one needs to drink that anti-life, anti-happiness, Satanic psychoactive narcotic poison. At least 50 000 000 000 life years, or 50 BILLLION, have been lost directly due to this chemical during the history of mankind, and much more because of lost productivity and thus less charity to help poor countries in birth control and food security.

Now why does the Bible have verses such as these:

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine...

Ecclesiastes 9:7
...drink your wine with a joyful heart...

In John 2:3-11, our beloved God turns jarfuls of delicious water into disgusting wine. Why?

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I keep a box of wine in the fridge all the time. This allows me to have about half a glass a day after work without it going bad. On the week ends I have two glasses in a day at most.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

1 Peter 4:7
The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.

1 Peter 1:13
Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:6
So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober.

Titus 2:2
Older men are to be sober-minded, dignified, self-controlled, sound in faith, in love, and in steadfastness.

Romans 12:3
For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.

1 Timothy 5:23
(No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.)

Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

Proverbs 31:6
Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress;

Psalm 104:15
And wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man's heart.

Fish14 said:

Now why does the Bible have verses such as these:

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Maybe because alcohol isn't as wickedly horrible as you think? And I say that as a recovering addict who hasn't touched the stuff in over 30 years.

Dude, get a grip on yourself.

Fish14 said:

I drank that horrendous, lethal poison for the second time in my life last night. It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! First it felt kind of good, but memorizing that, it was more about losing self-control than being happy. I possibly lost my reputation by sending drunken messages to everyone, in the morning I will see! Or maybe I will stay at home due to hangover. I wish there was a worlwide prohibition for the next thousand years or so because no one needs to drink that anti-life, anti-happiness, Satanic psychoactive narcotic poison. At least 50 000 000 000 life years, or 50 BILLLION, have been lost directly due to this chemical during the history of mankind, and much more because of lost productivity and thus less charity to help poor countries in birth control and food security.

Now why does the Bible have verses such as these:

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine...

Ecclesiastes 9:7
...drink your wine with a joyful heart...

In John 2:3-11, our beloved God turns jarfuls of delicious water into disgusting wine. Why?

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Many Christians make this drug out to be like it is no big deal at all. Sure, there are many who can drink responsibly, but what of those who don't? What if those who do drink responsibly influence those who have a problem drinking? Also, even moderate use of alcohol is scientifically proven to shrink the brain. I sure do no want a shrunken brain. Maybe others might want that, but that is on them. This drug does nothing to give you any kind of nutrition, and it destroys lives in many ways.

The Bible says we are to be sober minded in several places. The first glass of alcohol a person consumes makes them less sober minded than they were before.

People do not realize this, but alcohol is technically a mild poison that your immune system has to fight against. We pretty much live in a feel good culture, so if you speak against what makes others feel good, then you are attacking their fun. But just because something is fun or enjoyable does not mean that is correct or a Godly thing to do.

Side Note:

I think if people were to watch a video on the car accidents that are caused by alcohol, or if they seen their own family members destroy their own lives with it, or they see how alcohol has destroyed a person from the inside out physically, they would not want to have anything to do with this deadly drug. Oh, and yes. It is a drug and it is not a food. No nutritional value is found in alcoholic beverages of today. It's why most alcoholic beverages do not have nutrition labels on them.

Jason0047 said:

D. Wine, Knowledge, and Our Conscience:

I believe the consumption of alcohol can only be used for medical reasons (like to ease pain, to purify water, etc.). However, the apostle Paul does not tell us to tempt the LORD and drink known poisons for social reasons. For Alcohol is a poison and many Christians today do not realize this fact. In the Old Testament, drinking strong wine (for social reasons) would have been a grievous sin.

Let's say you are enjoying a nice glass of wine at your local restaurant when you are approached by a fellow believer in Christ who says, "I am offended to see you drink that wine." "My brother used to look up to you for spiritual strength and now he has fallen back into alcoholism because of your public drinking here." What should you think, say or do?

Also, let's say a new believer is baptized and becomes a member of your church. While an unbeliever, he continuously abused drugs and alcohol. Upon becoming a Christian, he vowed to the Lord that he would never use drugs or alcohol ever again. The church (of which he is now a member) uses wine as a part of the Lord's Supper. What happens if this person stumbles back into alcoholism because of their use of alcoholic wine in the Lord's supper? What should the elders think, say or do at this point? Should they continue to use alcohol in the Lord's supper knowing it could make more alcoholics to potentially stumble again?

Jesus calls you to pick up your cross and to deny yourself in everything in your life. For we are supposed to be holy and separate from the world and not be associated with the unfruitful works of darkness. We are to dedicate our lives to Jesus in all things for our love for Him. Not out of some sense of legalism, but out of love. Love for God (Jesus) and love for your fellow brother.


E. The 20 Warnings Against Alcohol in the Bible:

20 Warnings That Speak Against
The Alcoholic Beverage Itself.
(That is not specifically or
exclusively talking about drunkenness)

Passages For the Old Testament Saint:

1) Deuteronomy 29:5-6
- God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.
(The reason for this action was taken so as to show how they knew God).

2) Deuteronomy 32:33
- Enemy's wine is like the poison of serpents vs. Israelite's pure blood of the grape (verse 14).

3) 1 Samuel 1:14-15
- Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.

4) Proverbs 4:17
- Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.

5) Proverbs 20:1
- Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

6) Proverbs 23:31
- God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.

7) Proverbs 23:32
- Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.

8) Proverbs 23:35
- Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning.
(It also says Alcohol is habit forming).

9) Proverbs 31:4-5
- Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment.

10) Ecclesiastes 2:3
- The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not.
(c.f. Ecclesiastes 12:8)

11) Ecclesiastes 10:17
- A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.

12) Isaiah 5:22
- There is a woe unto them who mix strong drinks.

13) Jeremiah 35:2-14
- The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.

14) Daniel 1:5-17
- Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends.

15) Hosea 4:11
- Intoxicating wine seduces the heart.


Passages For the New Testament Saint:

16) 1 Timothy 3:2-3
- Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.

17) 1 Timothy 3:8
- Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.

18) 1 Timothy 3:11
- Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.

19) Titus 1:7-8
- A bishop is not to be given to wine.

20) Titus 2:2-3
- The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.
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Source Used:
75 Bible References on Drinking Alcohol
(Please take note that I only agree with the Scripture that they posted; This does not mean I am in agreement with the author's other beliefs on other topics).

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I can do a face palm, as well.
But that does not mean that your understanding on alcohol is correct.

So you don't think alcohol is a known poison and it does not destroy lives quickly and easily (unlike food)? Can you get drunk in eating a hamburger then get into a car accident because your judgment was impaired?

Can you get into a drunken rage and hit your family members by eating a cheese burger? Or is that alcohol?

Jason0047 said:

So you don't think alcohol is a known poison and it does not destroy lives quickly and easily (unlike food)? Can you get drunk in eating a hamburger then get into a car accident because your judgment was impaired?

Can you get into a drunken rage and hit your family members by eating a cheese burger? Or is that alcohol?

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If it is abused, yes it's wrong and dangerous but that goes with nearly everything including eating too much burgers. I don't get why you exaggerated so much about alcohol intake based on examples of what happens when it's abused.

Taking alcohol moderately is scientifically healthy as it is good for the heart. In fact if I have a cold it is one of the best things to take. I have not read anything about drinking moderately shrinking the brain, where did you get that lol? Being overly religious is dangerous too you know, especially when you just start flinging and over exaggerate things as wrong/sins. To think, Jesus' first miracle as well as the whole Holy Communion involves Alcohol.

Cis.jd said:

If it is abused, yes it's wrong but if not then it's normal.

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Alcohol is habit forming and can lead to potential horrible addiction and destruction of your life and the lives of others.
Alcohol is technically a poison and your immune system has to fight off it's deadly side effects.
There is no nutritional value in strong intoxicating beverages.
So no. It is not normal to consume it for social reasons or for pleasure.

You said:

You'd think that if it was so evil as you've exaggerated then it wouldn't have been Jesus first miracle.

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Not the same beverage. If you were to look at the dictionary, wine is defined as either unfermented or a fermented type fruit juice. There are six reasons according to the Bible that Jesus made unfermented wine and not an intoxicating fermented wine.

Anything abused opens different dangers. Eating too much hamburgers is obviously bad, you can higher your risk of cancer, prone to choke, get a huge bad tummy.. etc etc. I don't get why you exaggerated alcohol taking based on the potential it has once abused because by that logic you are forced to write off everything as dangerous.

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No. Not the same thing. If you have one too many alcoholic beverages and then you drive, you can get into a car accident and take people's lives. If you had one too many hamburgers and then drive, that is not going to happen. So no. Not the same thing. Not even close.

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Taking alcohol moderately is scientifically healthy as it is good for the heart, I have not read anything about drinking moderately shrinking the brain, where did you get that lol?

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A study in the UK says that even moderate drinking can cause brain damage.

Even moderate drinking can damage the brain, claim researchers

In 2011, 2.5 million people died from alcohol related reasons.

https://www.ncadd.org/blogs/in-the-news/2-5-million-alcohol-related-deaths-worldwide-annually

Again, this is not a stray accident of somebody choking on a burger, etc. and dying. Alcohol can impair judgment and destroy lives for all who partake of this deadly drug.

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Aside from the health benefits there is nothing about it to take so negative serious that you need to apply your scriptural views on it. To think, Jesus' first miracle as well as the whole Holy Communion involves Alcohol.

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The Bible says it was the "fruit of the vine" for the beverage used in the Lord's supper (Luke 22:18). The fruit of the vine is fresh juice of the grape and not fermented decayed liquid. Fermented wine is a partially changed substance (alcohol) and it is no longer the pure fruit of the vine anymore. Such a substance could not really be called the "fruit of the vine."

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I drank that horrendous, lethal poison for the second time in my life last night. It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!

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If it's horrendous, disgusting and a lethal poison, why did you drink it?

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Now why does the Bible have verses such as these:

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine...

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It was advice to Timothy - water supplies were not as healthy as they are today, so wine was probably a safer option.
It's not a command that has to be obeyed, however.

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In John 2:3-11, our beloved God turns jarfuls of delicious water into disgusting wine. Why?

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1. It probably wasn't delicious water. The jars could have been collecting rainwater, or were filled with water from an outside well, without any purification. Never mind whatever dust/clay residue was at the bottom on the jars.
2. It was a wedding. Jewish celebrations and hospitality were very important. Even today, I doubt anyone would host a wedding and plan to serve water only - if the hosts were tee total, they'd still serve juice/non alcoholic wine as an alternative. Clearly, those who were there did not believe that wine was disgusting.

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I drank that horrendous, lethal poison for the second time in my life last night. It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! First it felt kind of good, but memorizing that, it was more about losing self-control than being happy. I possibly lost my reputation by sending drunken messages to everyone, in the morning I will see! Or maybe I will stay at home due to hangover. I wish there was a worlwide prohibition for the next thousand years or so because no one needs to drink that anti-life, anti-happiness, Satanic psychoactive narcotic poison. At least 50 000 000 000 life years, or 50 BILLLION, have been lost directly due to this chemical during the history of mankind, and much more because of lost productivity and thus less charity to help poor countries in birth control and food security.

Now why does the Bible have verses such as these:

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine...

Ecclesiastes 9:7
...drink your wine with a joyful heart...

In John 2:3-11, our beloved God turns jarfuls of delicious water into disgusting wine. Why?

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And, Jesus drank. The 'teachers of the law' accused him for this, saying he was an alcoholic. Despite the many miracles he were doing, which were invariably good. They had to find something, to excuse themselves for denying him.

I had one supposed minister tell me Jesus did not drink. Apparently, he never read the gospels.

At least, you are admitting that it is condoned.

'It isn't what you put into your mouth which defiles you. It is what comes out of your mouth which defiles you. What comes out of your mouth, comes from your heart.'

I do not know what all you said or did, but it sounds like you may be having a troubling time.

I often feel foolish after drinking, because drinking makes you foolish. Foolish is not meaning one is a fool, however. Love can make a person, foolish, for instance. And Paul described the cross as 'the foolishness of God', saying, 'the foolishness of God is higher then the greatest wisdom of men'.

You are judging yourself, when you still have some alcohol in your system. Not the best time to judge yourself.

'Put the past behind you, and keep moving forward.'

Many people abuse sex.

Doesn't make it bad. God made it and it's good.

Also doesn't mean I should not sleep with my wife.

It's all about CONTEXT.

Incidentally, a whiskey AND a pipe / cigar. That's what I'm talking about. And listening to a bit of rock and roll.

Now we're REALLY grating the legalists!

Fish14 said:

I drank that horrendous, lethal poison for the second time in my life last night. It is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! First it felt kind of good, but memorizing that, it was more about losing self-control than being happy. I possibly lost my reputation by sending drunken messages to everyone, in the morning I will see! Or maybe I will stay at home due to hangover. I wish there was a worlwide prohibition for the next thousand years or so because no one needs to drink that anti-life, anti-happiness, Satanic psychoactive narcotic poison. At least 50 000 000 000 life years, or 50 BILLLION, have been lost directly due to this chemical during the history of mankind, and much more because of lost productivity and thus less charity to help poor countries in birth control and food security.

Now why does the Bible have verses such as these:

1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine...

Ecclesiastes 9:7
...drink your wine with a joyful heart...

In John 2:3-11, our beloved God turns jarfuls of delicious water into disgusting wine. Why?

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the potential to abuse something doesn't inherently condemn responsible use and/or healthy use. your remark of God turning water into "disgusting wine" exposes your bias. There are many who think quite differently, apparently, Jesus was one of them too.