If you are a Christian, (this is a question for Christians only), do you think evolution occurs?

  • Yes, evolution occurs.

  • No, evolution does not occur.

  • I'm not sure.


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SinoBen

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In the case of evolution it explains the diversity of life we see now and in the fossil record.

How about you explain to us using which ever theory of evolution you are defending to explain the origin of life.
 
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How about you explain to us using which ever theory of evolution you are defending to explain the origin of life.

There is only one scientific version of evolution.
And it doesn't address the origins of life. It addresses the origins of diversity.
 
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Evidence that only satisfies 'you' doesn't count.

Evidence that satisfy biologists, paleontologists, geneticists,...
In other words, evidence that satisfies those who actually understand what they are talking about.
 
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How about you explain to us using which ever theory of evolution you are defending to explain the origin of life.
The theory of evolution, as I noted, only deals with the diversity of extant life on earth.
 
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Assuming you believe that the impossible flood happened a few thousand years ago...

Your worldview is impossible, DogmaHunter. But, this is off topic and for another discussion.
 
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I would like to point out a few issues with your argument, you appear to be arguing on the premise that God exists, and therefore anything else is false.
No, I'm arguing God exists and anything 'making an attempt to compromise that' is false.

In addition to that 1 Corinthians 2:15 states that spiritual men cannot be judged, implying that all priests, no matter what bad things they do, should not be punished. Do you want priests to kill people and get away with it? The bible can not be true, in addition to the fact the bible states clearly the earth is flat, which it clearly is not, it is impossible and therefore god cannot exist.
Simply put, you're taking a misinterpretation and running with it. This verse is simply contrasting the believer and unbeliever. Unbelievers (natural men vs. spiritual) don't have access, nor do they have the Spirit-brought truth and insight through Christ to understand adequately and make judgments concerning why believers think the way they do. You should join a good bible-study group that correctly interprets the sricpture.

To conclude this fairly long post, I would ask you a simple question, what can you believe in if you can't believe your observations?
This is a real problem... trusting in yourself. Trust in God, you'll see things in a new way.
 
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I am curious if any Christians believe that evolution occurs (take careful note of the phrase, "evolution occurs" it means if it has happened or will happen, regardless of whether or not humans evolved from other primates). Please take the time to answer, thanks for any responses.


(For full disclosure I am atheist)

** Convenient definition of evolution for those unsure: Evolution is changes in a life form due to mutations in their genetic code, leading to the success or failure (or neither) of the mutation, leading to the mutated creature having more success mating, therefore passing on the improved gene or no success, leading to the gene not being passed on. Or to put it simply, changes in a life form over time. **
I'm not crazy about that definition, the definition I use is the change of alleles (traits) in populations over time. That should not be confused with the a priori (without prior) assumption of universal common descent. Two very different things.
 
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Evidence that satisfy biologists, paleontologists, geneticists,...
In other words, evidence that satisfies those who actually understand what they are talking about.
Again, science is a wonderful thing... until it is used to usurp God's glory. Therein lies the hoax and yes it is rooted deeply.
 
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Flat earthers disagree.
Just like you disagree with biologists and more educated christians about evolution.
True, scripture, information and even evidence is often misinterpreted by everyone, including biologists and the more educated Christians (thanks for reminding me of my lack thereof, and the reason I need to put my trust in God instead of myself).
 
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Do you understand the difference between "evidence" and "proof"?
It sounds like you don't.
Yes, I understand... evolutionists continually misinterpret the former and come up empty on the latter.
 
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I'm not crazy about that definition, the definition I use is the change of alleles (traits) in populations over time. That should not be confused with the a priori (without prior) assumption of universal common descent. Two very different things.
Yes, an a priori assumption of universal common descent would be unwarranted--if any scientist made such an egregious assumption.
 
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Again, science is a wonderful thing... until it is used to usurp God's glory. Therein lies the hoax and yes it is rooted deeply.

Which goes back to the question of who is perpetuating this hoax; a question you have yet to be able to answer.
 
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When they have to appeal to a massive, world-wide conspiracy encompassing literally millions of scientists, then they have already lost the argument and aren't worthy of serious consideration.

Also worth noting, that the people who make the "hoax" claim can never actually discuss the science.

Oh, I know, the whole idea is goofy as heck and really speaks to the desperate straits creationists find themselves in.

Still, it's interesting to probe to see what sort of responses one gets. :)
 
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Your worldview is impossible, DogmaHunter. But, this is off topic and for another discussion.
It's not off topic at all.

A flood story as you described it requires HYPER evolution on steroids...
To the point where no less then 20(!!) new species evolve every single day to get to all the diversity of species we know today.


So if you think evolution is "impossible", then the version of evolution you would be required to believe happened, would be "hyper impossible".

At least my worldview doesn't require evolution to progress at speeds thousands of times faster then what we empirically observe (not to mention - is biologically possible....)
 
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Again, science is a wonderful thing... until it is used to usurp God's glory. Therein lies the hoax and yes it is rooted deeply.

Unfalsifiable stories don't trump the evidence of reality.
No matter how hard you believe said stories.
 
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True, scripture, information and even evidence is often misinterpreted by everyone, including biologists and the more educated Christians (thanks for reminding me of my lack thereof, and the reason I need to put my trust in God instead of myself).

And off course, it is impossible that you might be misinterpreting scripture ha...
No, YOU are, off course, correct. And the majority of other christians is, off course, wrong.
 
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Yes, I understand... evolutionists continually misinterpret the former and come up empty on the latter.

So, you don't understand the difference. Why would you say such a thing otherwise?
 
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