Does God allow abortions?

Deuteronomy 32:4

“He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.”

King James Version (KJV)

No iniquity. The penalty for sin is death.

SkyWriting said:

God controls every event in the Cosmos.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

QUOTE="Foxfyre, post: 73571099, member: 397806"]Apparently he does allow abortions since there are many hundreds of thousands of them in the United States alone every single year.

The question is does God approve of abortions? It is hard to make a case for that via the scriptures since apparently that was not part of the culture reflected in the Old and New Testament manuscripts. But believing that life begins with conception, and believing God has a purpose for each and every life, I can't believe he condones abortion or is happy about it.[/QUOTE
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He condemns it as murder, according to all His Word.

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I think some might interpret it that way. But you really can't use the Scriptures to make that specific case.

Obeying government takes precedence over scripture? Is this a troll? So Daniel should've bowed to Babylon's idols? Peter should've said, "We will not obey God but man"? The millions of Christians martyred by authorities we're wrong? The people who take the mark of the beast will be right?

Can the OP be so stupid? Grade A retardation right there.

SkyWriting said:

God controls every event in the Cosmos.

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No he doesn't. If he did, we wouldn't be able to screw things up as badly as we do.

Acts 5:27-29
27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that you should not teach in this name? and, behold, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Foxfyre said:

I think some might interpret it that way. But you really can't use the Scriptures to make that specific case.

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NEVER interpret His Word. He forbids that. (and punishes that).

Just BELIEVE His Word. Trust Him. Then, if anyone needs more wisdom, let them ask God who gives generously without remorse. Not double-minded though, who think sin is okay - no, no one double-minded ought to think they will receive anything from God.

Sam81 said:

Obeying government takes precedence over scripture? Is this a troll? So Daniel should've bowed to Babylon's idols? Peter should've said, "We will not obey God but man"? The millions of Christians martyred by authorities we're wrong? The people who take the mark of the beast will be right?

Can the OP be so xxxxxx? Grade A xxxxxxxxxxx right there.

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He has posted some serious health problems,
and that he uses mind-altering drugs.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

NEVER interpret His Word. He forbids that. (and punishes that).

Just BELIEVE His Word. Trust Him. Then, if anyone needs more wisdom, let them ask God who gives generously without remorse. Not double-minded though, who think sin is okay - no, no one double-minded ought to think they will receive anything from God.

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I'm sorry but I can't believe His Word without knowing what His Word actually says. What you say a passage says may be very different from what another sincere believer says it says. And it does require some interpretation, i.e reading it through the eyes of those who wrote it, to decide what the passage intends to say.

I look for what is intended by the passage to the best of my ability, trusting the Holy Spirit to lead me into all truth, because sometimes if I went by what other terrific Christians tell me a passage says, there would be so many different opinions about that as to keep me in a constant state of confusion.

Sam81 said:

Obeying government takes precedence over scripture? Is this a troll? So Daniel should've bowed to Babylon's idols? Peter should've said, "We will not obey God but man"? The millions of Christians martyred by authorities we're wrong? The people who take the mark of the beast will be right?

Can the OP be so stupid? Grade A retardation right there.

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all i can say is he needs our prayers. Words dont do any good it seems. He wont answer questions, so whats the point in continuing discussion?

Foxfyre said:

I'm sorry but I can't believe His Word without knowing what His Word actually says. What you say a passage says may be very different from what another sincere believer says it says. And it does require some interpretation, i.e reading it through the eyes of those who wrote it, to decide what the passage intends to say.

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That must be the most common mistake by far ever made in history by everyone who never knows what God means.

Since God REVEALS Salvation, and everything concerning SALVATION to little children... when God REVEALS SALVATION (or REVEALED) to you,
DO NOT DENY HIM.

When ABBA YAHWEH grants His Wisdom (Jesus is our wisdom, as written in Scripture), and when ABBA YAHWEH grants understanding of His Word, a sheer gift that is required to understand His Word,
accept HIS REVELATION, as His Word Says - do not deny Him.

And especially do not disobey Him .

This thread is just silly. Surely this is a troll. Not only is the premise wrong (that we should obey laws over the Bible), but even the false premise is wrong!

The "law" doesn't tell women to have abortions. So being against abortion is legal. Secondly, the law doesn't forbid people from trying to legally change existing laws.

Either this person is trolling or he/she rode the short bus to school!

There is likely , easily revealed , a spiritual reason, but not one that is permitted to be posted (according to forum rules).

SkyWriting said:

God plans and then executes every event and motion in the Cosmos.
There is no limit to the Fathers involvement in anything.

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You are right. God is sovereign in all that He allows to take place and is omnipresent in every womb and in every molecule of the abortionist's scalpel.

God often plans and unfolds His sovereign will through the evil actions of sinners for which they are responsible and will be judged.

God being God does not let sinners off the hook for the consequences of their sins - be those sins the crucifixion of Jesus Christ or the taking of the life of a child.

SkyWriting said:

We are obligated to do what is right in our heart. That still is light years from perfect, so we have the Grace of God for forgiveness.

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The heart is desperately wicked.

We are obligated to show ourselves approved, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

Having the grace for forgiveness should not be a factor in our choice to sin. We should not presume upon the grace of God.

Every man (and every woman) saved and unsaved will stand before God and give an account for what they have done in the flesh.

May I have an answer to my question as to the beginning of human life please?

SkyWriting said:

You be the judge:

1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

and now:
New York State Assembly Passes Third Trimester Abortion Bill

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He allows it as much as he allows any other sin

SkyWriting said:

Yup. Very hard to swallow.

Lets check it again:
1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.

Sure enough. "Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution"

Local law reins supreme.

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I guess you missed the part "sent by Him to punish those who DO EVIL"
If a government condones evil (abortion in this case) and doesn't punish it, are they SENT by God?
All authority comes from God but we are ultimately responsible for how we appropriate that authority (even Governments). There is choice involved even for authorities. Saul was chosen by God, did he always choose to do God's will?

You can't certainly believe that. The quoted scriptures don't relate to the issue. They affirm that all authority comes from God .

SkyWriting said:

Local law reins supreme.

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Practically and effectively = proves a troll = false teacher/ deceiver.
Or is there another reason for disobeying God so long ?

SkyWriting said:

Does God allow abortions?

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Hi Sky, yes, God 'allows' all kinds of sins to be committed by us (He gave us free will, after all), even horrible sins like murder (or in the case of abortion, the murder of the most innocent and helpless among us, and that for the sake of their mother's convenience alone more than 90% of the time).

Yours and His,
David

SkyWriting said:

God plans and then executes every event and motion in the Cosmos.

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No.
Unless you're saying that he plans the fires/earthquakes/terrorist attacks/rapes/thefts/drunken drivers that will kill many or destroy their lives.

SkyWriting said:

There is no limit to the Fathers involvement in anything.

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God KNOWS what is going on in the world; it doesn't mean he approves of, planned, or is actively involved in it.

It seems sky and linen are kind of trolls - posting the same troubles or heresies for many years without change - stirring up things without learning anything, "as if" on purpose - to cause dissension, or to get the weak to go for their scheme of things. No Christian group on this forum agrees with them (no, sky and linen are not 'together' , not openly anyway). Only both are similar in seeming unchanged in errors constantly, and trying to trap in their long-standing errors others who are or may be seeking God's Kingdom . It doesn't make sense to anyone since they both oppose Scripture Truth that all the Christian churches accept basically. Both oppose repenting of sin, as if it won't make any difference. (in common with the biggest false gospel spread around the world - opposed to Jesus: namely , don't worry whoever you are , just come to Jesus and your find no matter what you are doing, without repentance) Effectively both are telling the heresy of universalism in their posts for many years it looks like, on this forum and on other sites also (or used to be, a year or more ago). Many posters have tried gently and firmly, with Scripture and in line with Scripture, to repent from the heresy of ur, but it seems as if nothing matter to them - nothing and no one has been able to get through to them. (anyone? seen ANY hope in their posts ? )