How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

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As usual, you guys only tell half the truth. The half that YOU like. The REAL truth however is that Modern Seventh-day Adventism traces its origins back to the early 1800's to Mr. William Miller.

He concluded that Jesus would return in the year covering 1843-1844.
He INCORRECTLY interpreted the 2300 evenings and mornings to be years and counted forward from 457 BC when the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem was given (Dan. 9:24-25).

When his initial predictions failed, he adjusted his findings to conclude that Jesus would return on March 21, 1844, and then later on October 22, 1844. After these too failed, Miller quit promoting his ideas on Jesus' return and the "Millerites" broke up.

That is when Mrs. White came upon the scene and claimed to see in a vision of a narrow path where an angel was guiding Adventists. Subsequent visions resulted in interpretations of the three angels in Rev. 14:6-11 as being 1843-1844 as the hour of God's judgment; the fall of Babylon signified by Adventists leaving various churches, and admonitions against Sunday worship.

1849 - First paper, the Present Truth, was printed in Middletown, Conn.
1850 - First issue of the Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, printed in Maine.

TRUTH matters more than details my friend.
The SDA movement was based on the visions of Ellen G White.

Colossians 2:18
Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his (her) stand on visions he (she) has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind.
 
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"Real life" = Reality = Truth = Jesus = Scripture =God's Word

Same with Scripure - Eternally unchangeable.

So many object, even long time church goers.... so few believe Scripture...

"ignore the evidence!!" = ignore Scripture = reject Jesus = reject God


Seen this so often today , and over the last 15 years in churches and on this forum.
People are sometimes just unlearned, but other times outwardly and zealously rebellious against God and His Word and His people -
because
"The LIGHT has come into the world, and the world rejected the LIGHT (JESUS), because its deeds (hearts and minds?) are evil"
and they don't
want to be embarrassed.
They love, l o v e , the darkness instead of LIGHT (JESUS),
and they prefer the love of men, INSTEAD of God's Salvation !
You have the wrong set of commandments.

1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment.

Paul gave the Gentiles the commandments that Jesus instructed Paul to give.
 
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The SDA movement was based on the visions of Ellen G White.

Colossians 2:18
Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his (her) stand on visions he (she) has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind.


And this has what to do with the Sabbath being kept by the disciples, and first Christians? The SDA movement went into gear when Rachel Oaks, a 7th day Baptist, informed a group of men and women, of whom EGW was amongst them, of the 7th day Sabbath. She had her visions after that. Why are you not asking who told the 7th day Baptists? They arrived in America, from England, in 1665.
 
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You have the wrong set of commandments.
1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment.
Paul gave the Gentiles the commandments that Jesus instructed Paul to give.
The TORAH is written on our hearts - Yahweh did not write the wrong set, HE guarantees HE is RIGHT!
 
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Real history shows that there was never a Seventh-day Adventist meeting stating that Christ would return in 1844 ...

details matter.

The Seventh-day Adventist church was not started until 1861. Of the 50,000 or so "Millerites" in 1844 who thought Jesus was coming sometime in 1844 -- less than 1/10 of 1% (so then about 50 of them) split off to begin a movement that eventually became the Seventh-day Adventist church.

details matter.



And Ellen White rejected it.

And a Seventh-day Baptist by the name of Rachael Oaks studied with an Adventist minister - convincing him that the Ten Commandments "matter" and that the Sabbath commandment could not be "edited" the way so many people were imagining it to have been. That results in the first Sabbath keeping Adventist congregation.



Actual history.
The words (Writing) of the eye witnesses.

Try it.



Historic fact: William Miller was not a Seventh-day Adventist in 1818 and never became one.
Historic fact: the Seventh-day Adventist church did not organize untll 1861.

Details don't vanish simply because they are ignored.



Miller never taught that.
Try actual history.



Pure fiction. Miller never adopted the Sanctuary in heaven solution regarding the 2300 years to explain the Oct 22, 1844 event and the start of the Most Holy Place ministry of Christ.

He never was a Seventh-day Adventist.

Hint: When you want to oppose what some denomination teaches - learn the actual teaching, the real history, and refute the teaching that you believe to be in error. The option of "just make stuff up" about their history does not work.

The Seventh-day Adventist Church arose out of a movement started by William Miller, a Baptist preacher who predicted that Jesus would return to earth on October 22, 1844. When this failed to happen, many of his followers left, and the movement began to splinter.

The development of the SDA church stemmed from preachers in the early 1840's preaching from the prophecies of Daniel that the end of the world was imminent.
You are correct in that the actual name of SDA was not accredited until 1863 when Ellen White came to power and she filled the void left by Mr. Miller.

No one person can really be credited with formation of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, but James White, Ellen White and Joseph Bates played central roles.
 
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She never claimed that all Christians called themselves "Seventh-day Adventist" -- quote someone other than "you" to make your accusations.

Wrong!!!!!!

This research paper will, from official Seventh-day Adventist denominational publications, demonstrate that: 1 - In 1858, Ellen White wrote that believers must call themselves by the name, “Seventh-day Adventist.”

SUMMARY OF FINDINGS This research paper establishes the fact that individual believers and independent local church congregations in America were using the name “Seventh-day Adventist,” to identify themselves—before any denominational conferences, divisions, or even the world headquarters at the General Conference was organized.

The Origin and Adoption of
W M
9 2 3
DATE OF PUBLICATION: DECEMBER 1999
PART ONE OF TWO

SUMMARY OF FINDINGS This research paper establishes the fact that individual believers and independent local church congregations in America were using the name “Seventh-day Adventist,” to identify themselves—before any denominational conferences, divisions, or even the world headquarters at the General Conference was organized. This paper was prepared for presentation in legal cases in which this precedence of usage is disputed by the General Conference, with their claim that they, the General Conference, have a right, that is superior to that of the believers and individual congregations, to the use of that name—and therefore the right to authorize or forbid who can use the name. Historical records reveal that individuals and their independent congregations were using the name for at least two years prior to the establishment of a conference and three years before the organization of the General Conference.

This research paper will, from official Seventh-day Adventist denominational publications, demonstrate that:
1 - In 1858, Ellen White wrote that believers must call themselves by the name, “Seventh-day Adventist.”


2 - In 1860, two years after the prophet of the church had settled the matter as to what the name of their groups should be, a meeting of duly called representatives of believers officially voted that the name by which the believers would henceforth be called would be “Seventh-day Adventists.” That meant that this would also be the name by which their local congregations would be identified.

It was also agreed that this would be the name of a legal organization, to be established soon, that would own the publishing house which had so far been privately owned. This decision, to adopt the name “Seventhday Adventist,” would not, of course, have been made if a majority of the believers had not already been using that name.

3 - In 1861, the publishing work was incorporated under the Seventh-day Adventist name, and the first of several local (often equivalent to state) conferences was legally incorporated. 4 - In 1862, seven additional local conferences were formed. At the Michigan Conference annual meeting that year, it was agreed that the only way to form a General Conference was to go over the heads of the believers and their independent churches and try to get conference leaders to attend a meeting where a denomination could be formed. 5 - In 1863, leaders from six of the eight conference offices met and agreed to form a General Conference which should provide guidance to the churches in eight states. By 1865, eight state conference offices had agreed to come under the umbrella of the General Conference.

The following quotation is an excellent summary statement which shows the fivefold development:
(1) The name of the believers in 1860.
(2) The incorporation of the publishing house in 1861.
(3) The incorporation of the first conferences in 1861.
(4) The organization of the denomination and its headquarters in 1863.
(5) The establishment of other subsidiaries, other than the publishing work, in later years. “In a general meeting at Battle Creek in 1860
the Name, “Seventh-day Adventist”.

Source...…..YOUR OWN apologitic web site @ http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-T/Trademark-923.pdf

This is just too easy!
 
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And this has what to do with the Sabbath being kept by the disciples, and first Christians? The SDA movement went into gear when Rachel Oaks, a 7th day Baptist, informed a group of men and women, of whom EGW was amongst them, of the 7th day Sabbath. She had her visions after that. Why are you not asking who told the 7th day Baptists? They arrived in America, from England, in 1665.

1 - In 1858, Ellen White wrote that believers must call themselves by the name, “Seventh-day Adventist.”

http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-T/Trademark-923.pdf
 
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1 - In 1858, Ellen White wrote that believers must call themselves by the name, “Seventh-day Adventist.”

http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-T/Trademark-923.pdf




:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:Yah---"all believers"---not all Christians!

Why are you not asking who told the 7th day Baptists? They arrived in America, from England, in 1665.


So--it is obvious that you have ignored everything that you asked for--all the prove for 7th day Sabbath keepers other than SDA's. After constant rabbit holes about SDA history--are you done with it and are you going to start back on the 7th day Sabbath or since you have nothing to stand on, are still going on about the SDA history??
 
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And this has what to do with the Sabbath being kept by the disciples, and first Christians? The SDA movement went into gear when Rachel Oaks, a 7th day Baptist, informed a group of men and women, of whom EGW was amongst them, of the 7th day Sabbath. She had her visions after that. Why are you not asking who told the 7th day Baptists? They arrived in America, from England, in 1665.

The Seventh-day Adventist Church had its roots in the Millerite movement of the 1830s and 1840s, during the period of the Second Great Awakening.

After the Disappointment of October 22, 1844, when there was a scattering of believers and a confusion of beliefs, Joshua V. Himes, with Miller, Josiah Litch, Sylvester Bliss, and some other leaders, sought to hold all Adventist factions together; and for this purpose called a meeting at Albany, New York, on April 29, 1845.

The Albany Conference was only partially successful in its purpose, though Himes, and Miller for the four years he yet lived, were generally acknowledged as the leaders of the Adventists.
 
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The Seventh-day Adventist Church had its roots in the Millerite movement of the 1830s and 1840s, during the period of the Second Great Awakening.

After the Disappointment of October 22, 1844, when there was a scattering of believers and a confusion of beliefs, Joshua V. Himes, with Miller, Josiah Litch, Sylvester Bliss, and some other leaders, sought to hold all Adventist factions together; and for this purpose called a meeting at Albany, New York, on April 29, 1845.

The Albany Conference was only partially successful in its purpose, though Himes, and Miller for the four years he yet lived, were generally acknowledged as the leaders of the Adventists.

Thank you for informing everyone of stuff we all know!!


Why are you not asking who told the 7th day Baptists? They arrived in America, from England, in 1665.
 
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It seems like , just as the false churches and religions in history are exposed / fought against by / opposed by all who abide in Jesus Doing His Will, , , , , , , ,
so also the true groups , the followers of Jesus, in history are challenged, attacked, not welcome by the world. . . . . . .

Those who are true seek for that which is true = Jesus.

The world hates the light, hates Jesus, opposes and hates everyone who is seeking the truth.

The false churches and religions likewise oppose and hate everyone who is seeking the truth, and will do all that they can to PREVENT ANYONE from finding God's Kingdom.

Fighting , opposing, challenging the Adventists does not appear to be helpful for anyone, neither for "believers" regardless if they are among the "true group" (Ekklesia) or not, nor for unbelievers who it doesn't matter what they are associated with.

It doesn't matter what Ellen said centuries ago, does it ? Did she mix some things up? and/or did others mix up what she said ? So what.
It doesn't matter today. Almost everyone on earth is lost - let LIGHT SHINE while there is still LIGHT. Seek LIGHT (JESUS), (not, no definitely not any other kind of worldly / humanistic light, no - that is bad) . .

Again, it doesn't matter at all what Ellen said. Test everything, including everything anyone says today, or ever, when / if it comes up. Test as God Says, by Scripture, being constantly in prayer, always. Like the famous Bereans. Always. Always.
 
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The SDA movement was based on the visions of Ellen G White.

Until you read actual history. We don't see SDAs on this thread arguing for "proof via Ellen White" rather they are all "sola scriptura" Christians.

They seem to have no interest in derailing the thread topic off on to "let's talk more about Ellen White - not the Bible".
 
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The Seventh-day Adventist Church had its roots in the Millerite movement of the 1830s and 1840s, during the period of the Second Great Awakening.

After the Disappointment of October 22, 1844, when there was a scattering of believers and a confusion of beliefs, Joshua V. Himes, with Miller, Josiah Litch, Sylvester Bliss, and some other leaders, sought to hold all Adventist factions together; and for this purpose called a meeting at Albany, New York, on April 29, 1845.

The Albany Conference was only partially successful in its purpose, though Himes, and Miller for the four years he yet lived, were generally acknowledged as the leaders of the Adventists.

But never as "Seventh-day Adventists".

The Seventh-day Adventist church along with its doctrinal statements was not founded until 1861.

History matters.

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IF instead you are looking to pick a fight with those sunday-keeping pork-eating immortal-soul-believing, Ellen White disbelieving Millerites that were following Miller in 1845 ... none of them are here. You will have a difficult time finding one of those 50,000 still alive or still a Millerite.
 
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The Seventh-day Adventist Church had its roots in the Millerite movement

Ellen White had her roots in the United Methodist Church.
James White had his roots in the Church of the Brethren
William Miller had his roots in the baptist church

There was never any such thing as a "Millerite denomination" no churches, no organization and all of them still in their home church only expecting Christ to come soon.
 
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In 1858, Ellen White wrote that believers must call themselves by the name, “Seventh-day Adventist.”

She never claimed that all Christians called themselves "Seventh-day Adventist" -- quote someone other than "you" to make your accusations.

Wrong!!!!!!

What is "wrong" is making stuff up. If Ellen White was arguing for a certain POV she would need to publish it to the point of instructing/promoting her idea to (at the very least) the Seventh-day Adventist church of which she was a member.

I predict you will now show us that you are wrong in saying that Ellen White claimed that all Christians called themselves "Seventh-day Adventist"... and you will bait-and-switch into "there exists on planet Earth Christians that call themselves Seventh-day Adventist"

Or "at least someone called themselves a Seventh-day Adventist at least 1 year before 1861"

on October 1, 1860, in Battle Creek, Michigan, a group of individuals looking for the soon return of Jesus chose the name "Seventh-day Adventist" for themselves. Approximately 3,000 strong at the time, early Adventists were almost forced by circumstances to choose a name. First, there was the matter of the church not being able to own property because it was not legally incorporated. Second, what to answer when asked the denomination one belonged to? Also, numerous Adventist churches had already chosen different names for their congregations.

And so it was that 25 delegates met on an autumn day in a thriving Michigan town to address the issue of adopting a name. After a couple of days of discussion—having left other denominations the delegates were hesitant to form another body—the name Seventh-day Adventist was suggested by a man named David Hewitt, known to be the "most honest man" in Battle Creek. A lengthy discussion ensued, but the name was favorably voted 24-1.
Adventist Archives | About the Name <i>Seventh-day Adventist</i>

You have a "paper" claiming some Adventist began using the name in 1858 that David Hewitt suggested in that October 1860 meeting.
This research paper will, from official Seventh-day Adventist denominational publications, demonstrate that: 1 - In 1858, Ellen White wrote that believers must call themselves by the name, “Seventh-day Adventist.”


2 - In 1860, two years after the prophet of the church had settled the matter as to what the name of their groups should be, a meeting of duly called representatives of believers officially voted that the name by which the believers would henceforth be called would be “Seventh-day Adventists.” That meant that this would also be the name by which their local congregations would be identified.

It was also agreed that this would be the name of a legal organization, to be established soon, that would own the publishing house which had so far been privately owned. This decision, to adopt the name “Seventhday Adventist,” would not, of course, have been made if a majority of the believers had not already been using that name.

3 - In 1861, the publishing work was incorporated under the Seventh-day Adventist name, and the first of several local (often equivalent to state) conferences was legally incorporated.

"the name of THEIR group"

But you do not find any statement from Ellen White that all Christians use that name not in 1866 or 1861 or 1858.

SUMMARY OF FINDINGS This research paper establishes the fact that individual believers and independent local church congregations in America were using the name “Seventh-day Adventist,” to identify themselves—before any denominational conferences, divisions, or even the world headquarters at the General Conference was organized.

The Origin and Adoption of
W M
9 2 3
DATE OF PUBLICATION: DECEMBER 1999
PART ONE OF TWO

SUMMARY OF FINDINGS This research paper establishes the fact that individual believers and independent local church congregations in America were using the name “Seventh-day Adventist,” to identify

There is the "bait and switch" the research paper does not have anyone teaching that all Christians on planet earth call themselves "Seventh-day Adventist".

In fact that paper you quote flatly refutes your wild speculation .. it says "This paper was prepared for presentation in legal cases in which this precedence of usage is disputed by the General Conference, with their claim that they, the General Conference, have a right, that is superior to that of the believers and individual congregations, to the use of that name"

The paper is not arguing for a claim that anybody ever said "All Christians call themselves Seventh-day Adventist" it is argue that "there existed" individuals and some local congregations that were using that name before 1861. And this is in regard to a dispute about "ownership of the name".

Details matter.

History matters.

Your "every topic is Ellen White" agenda is not working.
 
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2 - In 1860, two years after the prophet of the church had settled the matter as to what the name of their groups should be, a meeting of duly called representatives of believers officially voted that the name by which the believers would henceforth be called would be “Seventh-day Adventists.” That meant that this would also be the name by which their local congregations would be identified.

It was also agreed that this would be the name of a legal organization, to be established soon, that would own the publishing house which had so far been privately owned. This decision, to adopt the name “Seventhday Adventist,” would not, of course, have been made if a majority of the believers had not already been using that name.

3 - In 1861, the publishing work was incorporated under the Seventh-day Adventist name, and the first of several local (often equivalent to state) conferences was legally incorporated.

you did the bait-and-switch from "ALL Christians called themselves Seventh-day Adventist" as if anyone ever said it... to "the name of THEIR GROUPS" and duly called representatives of their group meeting and voting to use the name.

Unmasking false claims and false accusations - easy
 
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Real history says that Adventist meetings and devotees of William Miller, was convinced that Christ would return on October 22, 1844.

Real history shows that there was never a Seventh-day Adventist meeting stating that Christ would return in 1844 ...

details matter.

The Seventh-day Adventist church was not started until 1861. Of the 50,000 or so "Millerites" in 1844 who thought Jesus was coming sometime in 1844 -- less than 1/10 of 1% (so then about 50 of them) split off to begin a movement that eventually became the Seventh-day Adventist church.

details matter.

Shortly after James and Ellen married, they studied a tract written by Joseph Bates titled Seventh-day Sabbath

And Ellen White rejected it.

And a Seventh-day Baptist by the name of Rachael Oaks studied with an Adventist minister - convincing him that the Ten Commandments "matter" and that the Sabbath commandment could not be "edited" the way so many people were imagining it to have been. That results in the first Sabbath keeping Adventist congregation.

I do not know where you get your information from,

Actual history.
The words (Writing) of the eye witnesses.

Try it.

In 1818 Miller announced to the world that in 25 years (March 1844) Jesus Christ would return to the earth.

Historic fact: William Miller was not a Seventh-day Adventist in 1818 and never became one.
Historic fact: the Seventh-day Adventist church did not organize untll 1861.

Details don't vanish simply because they are ignored.

. When Jesus did not return on October 22, 1844, the entire Millerite movement collapsed as his followers' Christian faith were destroyed. Miller revamped his doctrine to say that Christ had indeed returned, but that Miller had not understood that Christ first had to come to the "Heavenly Sanctuary," which He is now busy cleaning. Once Jesus has cleansed things up in heaven, He would be coming back to the earth.

Miller never taught that.
Try actual history.

The remnant that bought into this lie formed the Advent Church and in 1845 William Miller became its first president. The name was later changed to Seventh Day Adventists and after the death of Miller in 1849 a new false prophet came on the scene, this time a woman, Ellen G. White.

Pure fiction. Miller never adopted the Sanctuary in heaven solution regarding the 2300 years to explain the Oct 22, 1844 event and the start of the Most Holy Place ministry of Christ.

He never was a Seventh-day Adventist.

Hint: When you want to oppose what some denomination teaches - learn the actual teaching, the real history, and refute the teaching that you believe to be in error. The option of "just make stuff up" about their history does not work.
 
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In 1858, Ellen White wrote that believers must call themselves by the name, “Seventh-day Adventist.”

Later you appear to admit your wild claim is that in 1858 Ellen White thought all Christians called themselves Seventh-day Adventist and then your own document disproved your claim.
 
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Wrong!!!!!!

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The following quotation is an excellent summary statement which shows the fivefold development:
(1) The name of the believers in 1860.
(2) The incorporation of the publishing house in 1861.
(3) The incorporation of the first conferences in 1861.
(4) The organization of the denomination and its headquarters in 1863.
(5) The establishment of other subsidiaries, other than the publishing work, in later years. “In a general meeting at Battle Creek in 1860
the Name, “Seventh-day Adventist”.

Source...…..YOUR OWN apologitic web site @ http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-T/Trademark-923.pdf

This is just too easy!

On this "how to keep the Sabbath" thread -- you appear to be trying to prove that the name "Seventh-day Adventist" was attached to the SDA church in the 1860's and also that in 1858 Ellen White said this should be the name.

Your own link argues some individuals and some local congregations were said to be using the name in 1858.

AS IF that somehow sustains your wild claim that William Miller in 1845 called himself a Seventh-day Adventist or even had the distinctive beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists.

Is that your story?? If so I find your logic "illusive"
 
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But never as "Seventh-day Adventists".

The Seventh-day Adventist church along with its doctrinal statements was not founded until 1861.

History matters.

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IF instead you are looking to pick a fight with those sunday-keeping pork-eating immortal-soul-believing, Ellen White disbelieving Millerites that were following Miller in 1845 ... none of them are here. You will have a difficult time finding one of those 50,000 still alive or still a Millerite.
You said that history matters. I thought you rejected history?

You reject the history of the christian church!
 
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