What's the best system of government for Christianity?

timothyu said:

That was basically the MO of the Church in the middle ages and what happened verifies your post. Freedom of choice for will of man or will of God works best. The same freedom God offers us. You see here how freedom is not acceptable to some. More to lose?

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Did God promote freedom in ancient Israel when he set up that physical institution with all the rules for dealing with people outside the law?

step_by_step said:

While I see what you're saying, I think this response is incredibly rude. Refrain from making assumptions about how people feel. You don't know that they think they're better than you and you're making some lofty accusations about their character when you don't know them at all.
Keep the judgement to yourself.

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Clearly you haven't read enough of their posts. They absolutely do think they are better than us because they think Christ's teachings are some esoteric mystery only the few (but them of course) understand. They just seem humble because it's part of the whole "holier than thou" act.

☦Marius☦ said:

Did God promote freedom in ancient Israel when he set up that physical institution with all the rules for dealing with people outside the law?

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Choice between the will of man and will of God goes from cover to cover. Adam and Eve chose not to listen to God. The House of Israel chose not to listen to God in their time with Moses. They didn't listen when Jesus died. They didn't listen when church joined State. They don't listen today. Yet all had the freedom to do so.

☦Marius☦ said:

because they think Christ's teachings are some esoteric mystery only the few (but them of course) understand.

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I have said over and over (and over) will of man vs will of God. Quite simple. No mystery.

☦Marius☦ said:

Clearly you haven't read enough of their posts. They absolutely do think they are better than us because they think Christ's teachings are some esoteric mystery only the few (but them of course) understand. They just seem humble because it's part of the whole "holier than thou" act.

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I see that now. But I still think that we should try to love each other and keep things civil, even if we can't agree with one another. This thread has taken a different turn

☦Marius☦ said:

Clearly you haven't read enough of their posts. They absolutely do think they are better than us because they think Christ's teachings are some esoteric mystery only the few (but them of course) understand. They just seem humble because it's part of the whole "holier than thou" act.

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Exactly

step_by_step said:

This thread has taken a different turn

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How can one ask a question about governments and God and expect only one half of the equation to respond? Retaliation came swiftly towards those who voted for God. That is the turn that was taken.

timothyu said:

They don't serve Christianity. Christianity serves them (think religious right votes) and has done so since the Church aligned itself with the State 1700 years ago, broadsiding everything Jesus taught about separation between the Kingdom of God and the world of man. Two opposing systems aligning. Which one broadsided Jesus and changed the Gospel to suit?

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So you are saying no system of government in particular is favorable to the advancement of Christianity?

To answer the OP, I would say the best form of government available for the left hand kingdom is a constitutional republic with a system of checks and balances similar to the US system. Of course that will only work for a group of people that respect the rule of law otherwise best one could hope for is some form of benevolent despotic rule.

I would also point out that while monarchies historically supported christianity through state churches (Like England, Sweden, etc) those are the same churches that have become essentially apostate and whose membership is literally dying. The mixing of altar and throne never seems to work out in the long run for the church.

timothyu said:

Retaliation came swiftly towards those who voted for God.

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That is a lie, plain and simple. What we objected to was your post insulting all of us because you acted as if you were a better christian and your still acting that way and it is very insulting. You could have said Theocracy but instead you used vague language so you could look better than us. In effect you insinuated that those of us who thought differently than you are not Christians

Chris V++ said:

So you are saying no system of government in particular is favorable to the advancement of Christianity?

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See in Scripture what Yahweh said to all His People when they wanted to be like other nations (other governments), blatantly disobeying HIM.

To seek other government, besides Him, HE SAYS IS REBELLION AGAINST HIM.

Chris V++ said:

So you are saying no system of government in particular is favorable to the advancement of Christianity?

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Not saying that at all. God has used rebellious man to forward His scriptures to this present day, in effect using the will of man against itself just as it once used God to forward it's own agenda 1700 years ago. Jesus' ignored Gospel of the Kingdom hass survived to this day for those seeking God to find, safely tucked out of sight in plain view with the Christian religion of man. Scriptures remained unchanged within man's ever changing theology.

What has been advanced is the Gospel of the Kingdom, not Christianity. Christianity needed no government of man to be forwarded. It became a government of man and forwarded itself.
God always knew the religion would end up serving the purposes of man. He took advantage of the fact.

Luke 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. 27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. 28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. 29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Notice how the weak in faith, without knowledge of Scripture , attack the ways of Scripture, Scripture which is all inspired by God.

Tutorman said:

In effect you insinuated that those of us who thought differently than you are not Christians

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We are all Christians but of opposing sides, man's will and God's will. Same as it was in the Jewish synagogues and the Temple

Athanasius377 said:

The mixing of altar and throne never seems to work out in the long run for the church.

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The kingdom and world of man were never meant to align period. Opposing systems, and one an escape from the other.

step_by_step said:

I see that now. But I still think that we should try to love each other and keep things civil, even if we can't agree with one another. This thread has taken a different turn

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If this was an isolated incident it wouldn't be a problem, except when it's month after month on every single thread yet they bring it back to this.. for once this subject was semi related to what they go on about

timothyu said:

How can one ask a question about governments and God and expect only one half of the equation to respond? Retaliation came swiftly towards those who voted for God. That is the turn that was taken.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

Notice how the weak in faith, without knowledge of Scripture , attack the ways of Scripture, Scripture which is all inspired by God.

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Oh wow. Well at least you've stopped try to act like you think everyone who disagrees with you is weak in faith.

timothyu said:

The kingdom and world of man were never meant to align period. Opposing systems, and one an escape from the other.

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How is that possible when the world was created by God, the kingdom is in the hearts of men, and men will be residing in the future kingdom. Once again gnosticism.

Athanasius377 said:

To answer the OP, I would say the best form of government available for the left hand kingdom is a constitutional republic with a system of checks and balances similar to the US system. Of course that will only work for a group of people that respect the rule of law otherwise best one could hope for is some form of benevolent despotic rule.

I would also point out that while monarchies historically supported christianity through state churches (Like England, Sweden, etc) those are the same churches that have become essentially apostate and whose membership is literally dying. The mixing of altar and throne never seems to work out in the long run for the church.

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Western monarchies you mean

☦Marius☦ said:

How is that possible when the world was created by God, the kingdom is in the hearts of men, and men will be residing in the future kingdom. Once again gnosticism.

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Not so. Ever since the Garden man put our will before God's. The kingdom is in the hearts of men but they have to let it override the will of man that is also in there. Animal nature learning to become of spirit. The is why the Gospel of the Kingdom can take any abuse and it never ruffles a feather. BTW those residing in the future Kingdom, as taught by Jesus , will be those who repented of the will of man and allowed themselves to be changed. More questions and less attacks and it may become clear. We all started out under the will of man after all so we know how diffiecult Jesus' Gospel can be. It's the upside down Kingdom .