All living former presidents refute Trump's claim they privately voiced support for border wall

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All living former presidents refute Trump's claim they privately voiced support for border wall
All four living ex-presidents have publicly rebuffed President Trump’s claim that they privately gushed about the need for a massive wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.

Trump made the questionable remark during a raucous press conference in the White House Rose Garden on Friday while defending his refusing to reopen the government without Congress first earmarking at least $5 billion for a behemoth barrier on the border.
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But he clearly guaranteed he would have a wall, and ones voted for him. So, I see that half the voters, about, have approved of him. I do not mean he is right, but simply that he was voted in and the wall was a guarantee he made.

Of course, I hear no one complaining how he has not kept his guarantee that the first thing he would do in office would be to have Hillary indicted. As far as I know, he has not done that. And I am not saying he should.

But he got voted in after clearly stating these guarantees. So, technically those who voted him in have approved, I would say, of him doing these things.

Or, a number of us knew he might not be able to, and some number of us voted for what they considered the lesser of two evils.

One of my first thoughts, when Donald ran, was he might be hoping to keep financial things from changing. Possibly, he sees that his business interests and the culture his family knows would go down as things changed away from how the American economy has been operating.

And in order for his higher level of life to continue, he needs for there to be some number of lower-paid Americans to do work and pay for his products. If Americans are too underpaid, they won't use his casinos lavishly or do and buy whatever he might want to make money by selling.

And it is possible, in my mind anyway . . . so take this, of course, with a grain of salt . . . that the middle class in the United States can serve as a buffer so ones very low income can't rise to take down the upper class. There still are enough resources to maintain a happy middle class which can provide soldiers and police to safeguard the lifestyles of the well-to-do.

And, oh . . . the wall would mean business for somebody.

And he did not identify as Republican, I think it was reported. But he was first taking down Republican candidates so he could have the Republican bloc of votes assured. So, it might not make any real difference if past Republican or Democratic presidents approved of his wall. But if he can borrow some credibility from them, fine; but he is not concerned with what they think, if they do not back him.

But he is having a time discovering how checks and balances can work. Checks and balances are still employed and need no pay, could we say? :)
 
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So, it might not make any real difference if past Republican or Democratic presidents approved of his wall. But if he can borrow some credibility from them, fine; but he is not concerned with what they think, if they do not back him.(snip)
Okay...so lying about them and claiming they said something they never said is just fine as long as President Trump wants to do it? :scratch:
tulc(is just making sure that's what you meant there) :wave:
 
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It's becoming increasingly clear that Donald Trump can't distinguish between things he wants to be true, and things that are true. No one in his right mind would lie like that, knowing it was absolutely certain that he would be exposed as a liar.

There's something really wrong with him. And he's got the nuclear codes.
 
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And he did not identify as Republican, I think it was reported. But he was first taking down Republican candidates so he could have the Republican bloc of votes assured. So, it might not make any real difference if past Republican or Democratic presidents approved of his wall. But if he can borrow some credibility from them, fine; but he is not concerned with what they think, if they do not back him.

Okay...so lying about them and claiming they said something they never said is just fine as long as President Trump wants to do it? :scratch:
I am honored that Tulc found my post important enough to comment on it!

lololololololol

But this does not mean Tulc finds my comment to be correct; so let's see >

I do not mean it is ok for Donald to lie. I would say it might be ok with him, but I do not know what is really going on with him. Once, he said he saw thousands of Palestinians dancing with joy on rooftops in New Jersey when the Twin Towers were attacked. But the media had been showing Palestinians celebrating in Palestine, not in New Jersey.

So, I am considering it possible he somehow crossed things up in his mind, between Palestine and New Jersey rooftops. And he apparently invented that Barack had no birth certificate, but that appeared to be debunked. And then he does not deal openly and obviously with how he is either lying or crossed-up, somehow.

I don't know if he knows what he is doing, at times.

It appears to me that even highly educated humans are capable of believing untrue things and they are not lying on purpose. So, I am open about what is really going on with Donald.

A lie detector duel between Hillary and Donald might have been interesting.
 
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(snip)

But this does not mean Tulc finds my comment to be correct; so let's see >
Actually, I was looking for clarification for what you said, I didn't want reply until I understood your point. :)

I do not mean it is ok for Donald to lie. I would say it might be ok with him, but I do not know what is really going on with him. Once, he said he saw thousands of Palestinians dancing with joy on rooftops in New Jersey when the Twin Towers were attacked. But the media had been showing Palestinians celebrating in Palestine, not in New Jersey.

So, I am considering it possible he somehow crossed things up in his mind, between Palestine and New Jersey rooftops. And he apparently invented that Barack had no birth certificate, but that appeared to be debunked. And then he does not deal openly and obviously with how he is either lying or crossed-up, somehow.

I don't know if he knows what he is doing, at times.

It appears to me that even highly educated humans are capable of believing untrue things and they are not lying on purpose.
Thanks for clarifying, it saves a lot of trouble if everyone is clear on what people's points are. :wave:

So, I am open about what is really going on with Donald.
Fair enough.

A lie detector duel between Hillary and Donald might have been interesting.
True, but in all honesty as much as President Trump lies and with no apparent ability to know what's real and what's not I don't think a lie detector would be very useful. A fact checker, checking everything they say for accuracy? Now that would be interesting. :oldthumbsup:
tulc(likes facts a lot) ;)
 
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True, but in all honesty as much as President Trump lies and with no apparent ability to know what's real and what's not I don't think a lie detector would be very useful. A fact checker, checking everything they say for accuracy? Now that would be interesting. :oldthumbsup:
tulc(likes facts a lot) ;)
Well, then, if you have both, you can see if the facts check, and then see if the lie detector says he knows he is lying or he has the ability to create what he wants to be true without knowingly lying. Also, I have read what I would say are reasonable ways to fool a lie detector.

I know how I used to think and say things which now I would not say are true. I was convinced.

And we all can do this, possibly. How many times have you believed a weather report?

Some people have more ability to believe, than others. So, I don't know how much Donald is able to believe versus lie.

In any case, this is part of why there are checks and balances.

Yes, ones have believed innocent people were guilty. They had what appeared to be obvious evidence, sometimes, it is reported. And these may have been everyday in-their-right-mind people.

I have been able to be convinced that someone did what the person did not do. Then I would find out I did it. DOH! And then I knew I could do this, but still did it.

So, fact checking . . . can be a game of when we have the facts correct and when our wishfulness or my paranoid capability sneaks in a thing or two.

Have you read how the Jewish leaders were fooled by rigged evidence > Joshua chapter nine ?

There can be a slant to the reporting, what we are told and what not. It can get "objective" when ones are talking about Donald, but how objective is the filtering system? Is it just as objective and with an effort to be complete when the reporters are talking about the ones they favor? Possibly, everyone is doing it. Both parents can be wrong when there is a divorce.

And what might be going on? Possibly, Donald knows all this keeps attention to him, so ones are not getting informed about other potential candidates.

There are people who say it is ok to kill unborn people and to turn people into eunuchs. But such people are being presented as being honest and ones who care about people . . . while Donald is treated like he is the only dirtbag to be found.

I think a genuine leader will make a point of pointing out how he or she can be wrong, so we don't go along with him or her while the person is mistaken and the wrong way. So, we will see who makes a point of pointing at how he or she can be wrong, versus always pointing at or insinuating how others are claimed to be wrong.
 
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No one in his right mind would lie like that, knowing it was absolutely certain that he would be exposed as a liar.
I assumed he made his promise to make Mexico pay for the wall and has not kept the promise. But I just saw a quote claiming he says his trade negotiations with Mexico have resulted in billions of trade money for the United States . . . enough to pay for the wall.

So, I see his point, if he means that Mexico is paying enough for the wall, maybe indirectly, by letting billions of trade go to the U.S.

So, in case this is true, I have assumed wrongly that he did not keep his promise. So, this can be an example of how I might suppose he is lying, when he did what he said he would but not the way I would see.

It is possible to misunderstand people.

But did he keep his promise to have Hillary indicted, as the first thing he would do when voted into office?

I think there are things we do not understand.

I am not saying he does not use lying. What is happening is he is getting attention. And at times, along with what people are claiming are lies, he gets in reported statements which are not so obviously lies, and they can at least seem reasonable . . . in spite of other things which seem more obviously crazy.

Possibly, there is a strategy to this > tell lies which are obvious, so you get attention, then when you have people's attention to let you speak for yourself, switch to saying what is at least more credible.

There are people who say it is ok to kill unborn people, to change people into eunuchs, and that humans come from monkeys; but then they say oh look at how humanitarian we are because we did something for some group of people. So, ones can do major anti-love stuff, but cover it up by doing some bribe things.

So, ones do use such tactics, not only in some one political group. And they point at each other.

A thing is, though, now it seems to me, that most of the finger pointing is only at Donald, which means he is getting all that attention. And now he can make some more credible or seemingly credible statements, now that he has the attention.
 
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I assumed he made his promise to make Mexico pay for the wall and has not kept the promise. But I just saw a quote claiming he says his trade negotiations with Mexico have resulted in billions of trade money for the United States . . . enough to pay for the wall.

But that's money that goes to companies and citizens. Unless he decides to tax it sufficiently to pay for the wall, he can't use it.

So, I see his point, if he means that Mexico is paying enough for the wall, maybe indirectly, by letting billions of trade go to the U.S.

Nope. Just another story he tells. It's a lie.

So, in case this is true, I have assumed wrongly that he did not keep his promise. So, this can be an example of how I might suppose he is lying, when he did what he said he would but not the way I would see.

Trump people prefer to call them "alternative facts." "Lie" is such a harsh word.

But did he keep his promise to have Hillary indicted, as the first thing he would do when voted into office?

He tried. He was dismayed and angered to learn that a president can't just have someone jailed if he wants to.

I think there are things we do not understand.

The problem is that Donald Trump has many things he doesn't understand. His idea of making America great, is having the power to jail anyone who annoys him.

But you're right about him craving attention. His huge and delicate ego can't stand being ignored.
 
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Thank you for taking the time to comment on what I offered. I know I do not know for sure what is really going on.
But you're right about him craving attention. His huge and delicate ego can't stand being ignored.
Well, if all he is doing is make plays for more and more attention > there will be even more than what we have seen, already.

But I have considered there is a strategy to this. He has had a well-to-do lifestyle including his wives and children, and it depends on America having various middle class citizens giving him business. And it seems that middle class people have been getting fewer jobs due to outsourcing and they might be spending less money which Donald would get. So, I have considered that his plan as President is to get more money making stuff going back on U.S. soil so citizens keep giving him money for his lifestyle to continue with his family.

So, in case this is true, he is not only about attention.
 
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Democrats were all in favor of a wall.... but they were lying, as usual.
"While House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., now says that “a wall is an immorality,” back in 2013, she supported a bill that required the construction of 700 miles of border fencing. (Trump has called for a wall of “anywhere from 700 to 900 miles” long.) The bill negotiated by the Gang of Eight, which included current Democratic leaders Sens. Charles Schumer, N.Y., and Dick Durbin, Ill., declared that “not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary [of Homeland Security] shall establish ... the ‘Southern Border Fencing Strategy,’ to identify where 700 miles of fencing (including double-layer fencing) ... should be deployed along the Southern border.” source
 
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Democrats were all in favor of a wall.... but they were lying, as usual.
"While House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., now says that “a wall is an immorality,” back in 2013, she supported a bill that required the construction of 700 miles of border fencing. (Trump has called for a wall of “anywhere from 700 to 900 miles” long.) The bill negotiated by the Gang of Eight, which included current Democratic leaders Sens. Charles Schumer, N.Y., and Dick Durbin, Ill., declared that “not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary [of Homeland Security] shall establish ... the ‘Southern Border Fencing Strategy,’ to identify where 700 miles of fencing (including double-layer fencing) ... should be deployed along the Southern border.” source

I find it amusing when people who support the wall keep bringing up the same old arguments - particularly those that try and paint Democrats as hypocrites but do nothing to explain why the wall is necessary.

The important thing about the 2013 bill is that it was comprehensive. It was not just a wall bill. It wasn’t even wall+DACA. It had many facets to it. Trump’s demand has none of these.
Senate passes immigration bill

As a side note, the 32 senators who votes against it were all Republicans and the Republican Speaker of the House never brought it for a vote. By you logic, that means Republicans were against the wall before they were for it.
 
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I find it amusing when people who support the wall keep bringing up the same old arguments - particularly those that try and paint Democrats as hypocrites but do nothing to explain why the wall is necessary.
I was pointing out that the party leaders on the left are nothing but liars.
Frankly, Democrats pose the greatest threat to America. They party weaponized government against their political enemies. The entire leadership should be prosecuted under RICO. Why do we need a wall? Because criminals and economic parasites are costing us $450 billion per year.
 
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By you logic, that means Republicans were against the wall before they were for it.
Many Republicans disgust me. 45 of them retired and made the most deplorable person in America Speaker of the House. When they are in power they apologize for it and don't have the guts to lead. You don't negotiate with the Pelosi's of the world. You expose their lunacy and defeat them. Democrats commit treason and then investigate Trump for collusion, which is not, in fact, a crime. Frankly, I have no respect for a party whose leaders are people like Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren. There is no class and decency left. It's anti-American socialists who want foreigners to come and vote. It's not a political party. It's a crime famiy.
 
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I was pointing out that the party leaders on the left are nothing but liars.
Frankly, Democrats pose the greatest threat to America. They party weaponized government against their political enemies. The entire leadership should be prosecuted under RICO. Why do we need a wall? Because criminals and economic parasites are costing us $450 billion per year.

Many Republicans disgust me. 45 of them retired and made the most deplorable person in America Speaker of the House. When they are in power they apologize for it and don't have the guts to lead. You don't negotiate with the Pelosi's of the world. You expose their lunacy and defeat them. Democrats commit treason and then investigate Trump for collusion, which is not, in fact, a crime. Frankly, I have no respect for a party whose leaders are people like Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren. There is no class and decency left. It's anti-American socialists who want foreigners to come and vote. It's not a political party. It's a crime famiy.

You really need to lay off the Fox News / Rush Limbaugh Koolaid and get yourself a good tinfoil hat.

Democrat treason? I think not.
Socialists? Not really.
Want illegals to vote? No.
RICO prosecution? Laughable.

You can disagree with their policies without demonizing them all.
 
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You do know there are lots of videos out there of ex pres. saying they were for border security? They even voted for the money to be there but it never got used properly.

Everyone (or everyone that matters) wants border security. Former presidents and Democrats in Congress have supported a physical barrier. The key difference is, they supported a physical barrier as part of a comprehensive border security plan.

The main objection is vague calls for a "wall" without any real plan, just campaign slogans.
 
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