What is your gift of the Holy Spirit?

Francis Drake said:

The title of "the rock" is used regularly as a title of God and Jesus. For you to grasp hold of it and make it something else is demeaning to Jesus himself, reducing him to no greater than a man's personal revelation.

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I understand what you are getting at and yes Jesus is the Messiah, the gate to the sheepfold and King of the Kingdom, the Son of God and the Father is the source of all. However, using something regularly as a title of God and Jesus was determined by man, an alteration. Is it not you who is avoiding God's truth, the rock that the Gospel of the Kingdom is built upon, by making it about God rather than His truth? Avoiding the truth while promoting the truth giver?

timothyu said:

I understand what you are getting at and yes Jesus is the Messiah, the gate to the sheepfold and King of the Kingdom, the Son of God and the Father is the source of all. However, using something regularly as a title of God and Jesus was determined by man, an alteration. Is it not you who is avoiding God's truth, the rock that the Gospel of the Kingdom is built upon, by making it about God rather than His truth? Avoiding the truth while promoting the truth giver?

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Again I say, one rock or stone does not make a building complete.

Pethesedzao said:

What gift or gifts has the Spirit given you??

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I don't know if you would call it a gift but I am a follower of the Gospel of the Kingdom. The path which Jesus said the HS would be sent to help keep us on. I speak of the Kingdom rather than follow man's attempts to divert thinking back to the world of man.

An obvious gift perhaps would be discernment, that is separating the will of man from the will of God, separating scriptural fact from theological fiction and tradition, understanding the difference between the divisiveness between man is not the same as the divisiveness between the world man has created and the Kingdom, for both follow separate wills.
So perhaps my gift if I have one from the HS would be the same as that of the earliest followers, The Way, who were seen as rebellious to the world of man (actually called haters of mankind) yet free thinkers, which is the only way to overcome the traditions and rules of man both in life and religion (the blind leading the blind), in order to pursue God, the learning and wisdom of which never ends in this life, unless we let man and this world stifle it.

timothyu said:

I don't know if you would call it a gift but I am a follower of the Gospel of the Kingdom. The path which Jesus said the HS would be sent to help keep us on. I speak of the Kingdom rather than follow man's attempts to divert thinking back to the world of man.

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Just as when Jesus walked with the disciples,
whatever the Father directed them to DO, they DID, ... ... ...

SAME TODAY, for all who are walking with Jesus. (as always has been)

Pethesedzao said:

Again I say, one rock or stone does not make a building complete.

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It is not the building that hold itself together, but the cornerstone upon which it is built. Only rocks complementary to that cornerstone will form the original church Jesus spoke of. Man has built many copycat buildings.

Francis Drake said:

Some would say that as the Holy Spirit had not yet fallen, Peter could not be operating in one of the gifts of the spirit.

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The HS was prevalent all through the OT. The HS has served many purposes. The purpose of the HS in the NT impregnated Mary and was later sent by Jesus to guide people on their path to the Kingdom.

timothyu said:

It is not the building that hold itself together, but the cornerstone upon which it is built. Only rocks complementary to that cornerstone will form the original church Jesus spoke of. Man has built many copycat buildings.

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I am referring to a spiritual house not made with hands

timothyu said:

I don't know if you would call it a gift but I am a follower of the Gospel of the Kingdom. The path which Jesus said the HS would be sent to help keep us on. I speak of the Kingdom rather than follow man's attempts to divert thinking back to the world of man.

An obvious gift perhaps would be discernment, that is separating the will of man from the will of God, separating scriptural fact from theological fiction and tradition, understanding the difference between the divisiveness between man is not the same as the divisiveness between the world man has created and the Kingdom, for both follow separate wills.
So perhaps my gift if I have one from the HS would be the same as that of the earliest followers, The Way, who were seen as rebellious to the world of man (actually called haters of mankind) yet free thinkers, which is the only way to overcome the traditions and rules of man both in life and religion (the blind leading the blind), in order to pursue God, the learning and wisdom of which never ends in this life, unless we let man and this world stifle it.

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Yes, there is the Gift of Discernment...

Pethesedzao said:

I am referring to a spiritual house not made with hands

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I understand but those of the will of man have a different concept of spirit than those of the will of God. The will of God will prevail over the will of man.

timothyu said:

I understand what you are getting at and yes Jesus is the Messiah, the gate to the sheepfold and King of the Kingdom, the Son of God and the Father is the source of all. However, using something regularly as a title of God and Jesus was determined by man, an alteration. Is it not you who is avoiding God's truth, the rock that the Gospel of the Kingdom is built upon, by making it about God rather than His truth? Avoiding the truth while promoting the truth giver?

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The will of a new creation becomes one with the will of God.

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timothyu said:

The HS was prevalent all through the OT. The HS has served many purposes. The purpose of the HS in the NT impregnated Mary and was later sent by Jesus to guide people on their path to the Kingdom.

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Jesus was the first one to be baptized with the Holy Spirit

timothyu said:

The HS was prevalent all through the OT. The HS has served many purposes. The purpose of the HS in the NT impregnated Mary and was later sent by Jesus to guide people on their path to the Kingdom.

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Jesus said, you shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has fallen upon you; and you shall be...

Pethesedzao said:

The will of a new creation becomes one with the will of God.

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Loving all neighbours as self?

Pethesedzao said:

Jesus was the first one to be baptized with the Holy Spirit

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OK.. three

timothyu said:

I understand what you are getting at and yes Jesus is the Messiah, the gate to the sheepfold and King of the Kingdom, the Son of God and the Father is the source of all. However, using something regularly as a title of God and Jesus was determined by man, an alteration.

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A truly astonishing deception, the claim that a regular title of Jesus was determined by man!

Is it not you who is avoiding God's truth, the rock that the Gospel of the Kingdom is built upon, by making it about God rather than His truth? Avoiding the truth while promoting the truth giver?

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It is not me, but scripture that makes "The Rock" about God in Christ Jesus and rather than the revelation of an imperfect man.

Psalm95v1Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation.

Psalm62v11.....Truly my soul waits upon God: from him comes my salvation.
2He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved.
(Take note, "he only is my rock..." ie. there can be no other rock!)

2Sam22v47"The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be my God, the Rock, my Savior!

Psalm89v26He shall cry unto me, Thou art my Father, My God, and the rock of my salvation.
27I also will make him my first-born, The highest of the kings of the earth.

Psalm19v14May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.

Isaiah26v4Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD, the LORD himself, is the Rock eternal.

There are hundreds of scriptures that show God or Jesus as the title holder of the Rock. Every time you claim that the title belongs to a man or his revelation, you are robbing Christ and giving glory to another.

Francis Drake said:

It is not me, but scripture that makes "The Rock" about God in Christ Jesus and rather than the revelation of an imperfect man.

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Not about God but about His truth.

timothyu said:

Not about God but about His truth.

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Same thing. Here's what I said above-
"There are hundreds of scriptures that show God or Jesus as the title holder of the Rock. Every time you claim that the title belongs to a man or his revelation, you are robbing Christ and giving glory to another."

I've adjusted it just for your benefit-
Every time you claim that the title of "The Rock" belongs to a man or a particular truth he holds, you are robbing Christ and giving glory to another.

But you just don't get it do you.

From end to end in scripture, the title of "the Rock" belongs to Christ alone. You in your pride are fighting for the right to use it elsewhere on the basis of a complete mistranslation of one verse.
The fact that your verse contradicts the rest of scripture should surely send alarm bells ringing, and indicate you might have got something askew there?

My gift of discernment has really been kicking in lately. I'm astonished by it and can only know it's from the Holy Spirit! Also, I don't get "chills" like I used to but rather a warm feeling that makes me feel like I'm melting into a puddle. lol

*LILAC said:

My gift of discernment has really been kicking in lately. I'm astonished by it and can only know it's from the Holy Spirit! Also, I don't get "chills" like I used to but rather a warm feeling that makes me feel like I'm melting into a puddle. lol

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Blessings in Christ Jesus. Keep your eyes(spiritual eyes) open and be alert, perhaps a spiritual battle is right around the corner, or perhaps even now. Extra sensitivity, or as you say (really kicking in) usually proceeds a spiritual battle. It is a way of being fully equipped when combined with the full armor of God.

Francis Drake said:

Same thing. Here's what I said above-

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Not the same. Just as with Jesus. Everyone focusses on Jesus/God but ignores His Gospel of the Kingdom. Subtle but completely changes Christianity. Even what is called Satan knows God, but refuses to acknowledge the will of God. Man follows that thinking in most of Christianity

Francis Drake said:

Every time you claim that the title of "The Rock" belongs to a man or a particular truth he holds, you are robbing Christ and giving glory to another.

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I don't know who says that but I don't.
I said the Rock is that truth comes from God, not man. That is what Jesus said. (for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven) This is what He was referring to in context when He said, upon this rock I will build my church

Again subtle twists in theology take Christianity in an entirely different direction than what Jesus spoke and allow church institutions to set themselves up in alignment with the secular governments of man, contrary to Jesus' teachings.