MJ Only Matthew 5:18

DennisTate said:

I personally believe that every word in Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 will be fulfilled within a number of decades or centuries....... and I believe that some Messianic Jews will follow the examples of many in the first century.




So why don't more of us support the Orthodox Jewish community in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple?

In my own case I am guilty of flip flopping back and forth on the issue and I now feel that I was guilty of fearing the coming of the anti-Messiah Antiochus type person more than I wanted to see the fulfillment of Zechariah chapter 14 and the full fledged taking over of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in the affairs of mankind....... and to raise up King David for Israel..... which I assume means the First Resurrection.

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tampasteve said:

True, but after the Temple was built scripture and Tradition tells us that most of the requirements must be fulfilled at the Temple, and pilgrimages for Holy Days are also at the Temple - even Yeshua recognized this by his going to the Temple on numerous occasions.

Historically speaking though, sacrifices continued past 70 AD in the alternative temple at Leonopolis until its destruction in 73 AD. But even when it was around the Jewish people in the area did not consider it a replacement for the Temple in Jerusalem and still made pilgrimages to the main Temple for sacrifice.

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tampasteve said:

Quite possibly. It is also believed that it was destroyed under Vespasian by Lupus and Paulinus. The remains of the temple have been found, there was also an earlier temple at Elephantine, but that predates the Leonopolis temple.

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tampasteve said:

True, but after the Temple was built scripture and Tradition tells us that most of the requirements must be fulfilled at the Temple, and pilgrimages for Holy Days are also at the Temple - even Yeshua recognized this by his going to the Temple on numerous occasions.

Historically speaking though, sacrifices continued past 70 AD in the alternative temple at Leonopolis until its destruction in 73 AD. But even when it was around the Jewish people in the area did not consider it a replacement for the Temple in Jerusalem and still made pilgrimages to the main Temple for sacrifice.

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tampasteve said:

The second Temple did not have the arc. You build a Temple because G-d said to, because there should be an Earthly place for the Jewish people to have direct communication and access to G-d physically and not just through prayer and so they can fulfill the requirements of Torah. Abraham did not have the full Torah. He may have had the Oral Torah passed down from Adam, but not the full Written and Oral Torah as was given to Moshe. There was a time when the Jewish people sacrificed elsewhere (there are many references in scripture), but once the Temple was built that was it. Yeshua verifies this practice by calling the Temple his "Father's house", going on prescribed times and feasts, etc. If Yeshua did not approve and thought one could just go anywhere he would have done so.

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Mercy74 said:

The first temple built by King Solomon was the most glorious, it was in the heart of King David for the L-rd to have a permanent dwelling place. The first temple housed the ark of the covenant. The glory of the L-rd filled the temple (tabernacle), no one could enter therein, not even Moses (Exodus 40:34 and 2 Chronicles 5:14). Did the glory of the L-rd fill the second temple without the ark of the covenant?

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tampasteve said:

Perhaps not in the same way that it did in Solomon's Temple. However, the purpose of the sacrifices, the altar as a way to draw near physically to G-d was the same. Further, Yeshua legitimized it by calling it "my Father's house", continuing to go to the Temple on the prescribed days, etc, which had to be at the Temple (Deut 12:13-14). The Apostles legitimized it by participating in the sacrificial system, even after the resurrection, etc.

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tampasteve said:

Perhaps not in the same way that it did in Solomon's Temple. However, the purpose of the sacrifices, the altar as a way to draw near physically to G-d was the same. Further, Yeshua legitimized it by calling it "my Father's house", continuing to go to the Temple on the prescribed days, etc, which had to be at the Temple (Deut 12:13-14). The Apostles legitimized it by participating in the sacrificial system, even after the resurrection, etc.

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tampasteve said:

Perhaps not in the same way that it did in Solomon's Temple. However, the purpose of the sacrifices, the altar as a way to draw near physically to G-d was the same. Further, Yeshua legitimized it by calling it "my Father's house", continuing to go to the Temple on the prescribed days, etc, which had to be at the Temple (Deut 12:13-14). The Apostles legitimized it by participating in the sacrificial system, even after the resurrection, etc.

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tampasteve said:

Wonderful scriptures, would you please elaborate to me how you believe they relate? I just want to make sure I am not missing anything or misinterpreting how you read them.

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tampasteve said:

Wonderful scriptures, would you please elaborate to me how you believe they relate? I just want to make sure I am not missing anything or misinterpreting how you read them.

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tampasteve said:

Wonderful scriptures, would you please elaborate to me how you believe they relate? I just want to make sure I am not missing anything or misinterpreting how you read them.

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