Concerned about some of the fruits of my wife's spirit

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so it wasn't a bonus vacation from company

if you knew that, why did you go as that added cost?
would think your wife and mgr may possibly lose their jobs
and if they don't, the company is lax in keeping track

that would never get by anyone where my husband works
when he travels, he works nonstop and has to write up everything done and acct for all expenses
Heck no it wasn't a bonus vacation. And I doubt they would lose their jobs because apparently this is normal. Yes I did add to it and the whole time I felt uneasy but I am imperfect too. I prayed about my uneasy feeling and that's what got me to repent to God my part of the inappropriate expenditure and caused me to worry about the fruits of my wife's spirit.
 
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"only acting Christian to make me and church friends happy"

yes that would be acting fake
who can do that 24/7 and why would she "pretend" to make you and church friends happy

certainly wouldn't be living an authentic life
Unfortunately these days the bar is set very low to call yourself a Christian. I don't know what part of the world you live in but here in the southern us if you toe the Republican line ,tough on crime, one nation under God , anti abortion, anti drug, practically everyone around you would consider you Christian. That doesn't mean you have accepted the free gift. It is quite possible to keep the law of the land and even that of Moses your entire life yet not really have the spirt, Jesus made very clear that the scribes and pharisees were such people. If you think about it the bar that is set today for the stuff you have to do to be considered Christian by outward appearance is pretty much at the same level of what you have to do or not do to avoid being tossed into the clink. So maybe acting was not the right word but I believe it is quite possible to do things and live in a way that make you appear Christian to your avwragw America 24/7 ,without actually accepting the holy spirit.
 
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well you can certainly sit down with your wife and discuss your concerns and pray together
That was one of my first questions, is this worth discussing? And should I be the one doing it or should it be some one in the church women's group?
 
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@Balia Pait , I see you have upset a lot of people here. Are you OK? If sounds like you hold a lot of animosity to certain members of this forum and it is clear they hold an equal amount of animosity towards you. Do you know any of the people you have called out on here IRL? I am guessing no, some one posted that it seems like your MO is taking swipes at various fundamentalist stereotypes. Do you do this because you have been hurt before by someone or ones in Christ's name? If so you should know that people are imperfect and people do bone headed hurtful things often times with the best of intentions. You seem extremely intelligent and it seems like you are fairly well versed in philosophy and scripture. Maybe instead of playing these childish games with people you might want to discuss your theories and philosophy with others as intellectual equals. We may learn a lot from each other when we respect each others as equals. I am open to chat if you ever feel inclined to. You can pm me if you so choose.
 
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You are such a bully! Like I said before, Christians picking on other Christians I Love it!. I knew I pegged you and @snoochface right. I knew eventually you and @snoochface’s zeal to expose trolls will cause you to start picking on poor schmoes who can’t solve their own problems. Tell me how far off I am, you desire to expose then mock trolls so that the rest of schlubs on this forum can tell you just how delightfully witty and persnickety you are? You post your “conversations with a 9yearold” so everyone can ooh and aaah over how precocious your little girl and by extension how smart her daddy must be? Then there is your post about the value of the faith of “some people you know”

Would anyone other than you make something of my response there? Like say the person posting it was legit, wouldn't my reply make no sense at all? How would making someone momentarily scratch their head in confusion constitute bullying? But you, however, would know exactly what I mean :)
 
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That was one of my first questions, is this worth discussing? And should I be the one doing it or should it be some one in the church women's group?
If you can't talk to your wife and if she won't open up to you then maybe some pastoral counselling would benefit. Keep trying!
 
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You sure have a lot of time on your hands...lol

Seriously my only thought was “there he goes again” :)
Do you have some history with that other person? Do you want to talk about it? There seems to be a whole lot of animosity between you two.
 
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I'd echo what other posters have said - you should pray about it (and for her) and talk to her in a loving (and unless needed, non-confrontational) way.

The behaviour sounds questionable, especially on the company end.

Talk to her, and go from there. My prayers will be with you.
 
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This is why I’ve never been a fan of “high school sweetheart” marriages. People change. Knowing someone since 9th grade doesn’t mean that he/she won’t ever change. I understand OP your desire to “correct,” but in the end, if it’s overdone, you sound more like a dad than a partner. Just something to consider.
 
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This is why I’ve never been a fan of “high school sweetheart” marriages. People change. Knowing someone since 9th grade doesn’t mean that he/she won’t ever change. I understand OP your desire to “correct,” but in the end, if it’s overdone, you sound more like a dad than a partner. Just something to consider.
We weren't highchool sweethearts. We went to the same high school but had almost nothing to do with each other back then. Back in high school we maybe had a hand full of classes together but we weren't really even friends. We became friends junior year of college after she started attending the church that my campus Christian group was attached to. We didn't really date until some time in senior year.
You are correct people change. Back in highchool and the first part of college she was a wild one. She was almost always in trouble. She joined our youth group sometime in junior year of college and really calmed down and straightened out. She went from being on academic probation and almost being kicked out of school to a solid B student and then onto being a senior Geologist at an energy company. This is all great and every one is happy for her. So she definitely changed for the better. However, what bothers me is I am worried about is if her change is a result of not wanting to be tossed into a jail cell, or if her change is the result of accepting the spirt.
Also why is there such a negative connotation for a partner wanting to correct the behavior of the other? Some times correction is well warranted when the behavior is potentially harmful, dangerous or criminal.
 
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I'd echo what other posters have said - you should pray about it (and for her) and talk to her in a loving (and unless needed, non-confrontational) way.

The behaviour sounds questionable, especially on the company end.

Talk to her, and go from there. My prayers will be with you.
I am not as much worried about the behaviors in and of them selves. I am worried if the behavior is indicative of her not being truly saved.
 
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We weren't highchool sweethearts. We went to the same high school but had almost nothing to do with each other back then. Back in high school we maybe had a hand full of classes together but we weren't really even friends. We became friends junior year of college after she started attending the church that my campus Christian group was attached to. We didn't really date until some time in senior year.
You are correct people change. Back in highchool and the first part of college she was a wild one. She was almost always in trouble. She joined our youth group sometime in junior year of college and really calmed down and straightened out. She went from being on academic probation and almost being kicked out of school to a solid B student and then onto being a senior Geologist at an energy company. This is all great and every one is happy for her. So she definitely changed for the better. However, what bothers me is I am worried about is if her change is a result of not wanting to be tossed into a jail cell, or if her change is the result of accepting the spirt.
Also why is there such a negative connotation for a partner wanting to correct the behavior of the other? Some times correction is well warranted when the behavior is potentially harmful, dangerous or criminal.

I don't disagree. Jesus ''corrected'' people all the time, but he was blameless. You are here gossiping about your wife to a bunch of online strangers, can you see the error in that? It's one thing to ask questions and get some general answers or ideas about marital issues, but you are basically insulting your wife by pointing out all her flaws to all of us. I doubt she'd appreciate it, and she'd be right to ''correct'' you.
 
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This is a matter to take to God. Let Him be the One to guide you through your walk of faith. Work our your own salvation, but also do not turn a blind eye to those who may be false christians. Pray for her. :yellowheart:
 
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This is a matter to take to God. Let Him be the One to guide you through your walk of faith. Work our your own salvation, but also do not turn a blind eye to those who may be false christians. Pray for her. :yellowheart:
So we talked and she is of the opinion that there lots of Christians do lots of questionable things, which honestly she has a point. She told me that as long as there are Christians out there worse than her she should be fine.
She actually brought up a very very interesting point that I have not really ever heard from any one before. She said that she recognizes that God is the infinite creator, omniscient and holds power over the entire universe both known and unknown. The fact that the next closes star from our sun is a distance away measured in light years, the physical universe must be of an incomprehensible vastness, so if God is the creator and sovereign of this inconceivable vastness he must be of an even grander magnitude. As such it would be extremely prideful to think that he is particularly concerned over what we little people do in or day to day lives.
 
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I don't disagree. Jesus ''corrected'' people all the time, but he was blameless. You are here gossiping about your wife to a bunch of online strangers, can you see the error in that? It's one thing to ask questions and get some general answers or ideas about marital issues, but you are basically insulting your wife by pointing out all her flaws to all of us. I doubt she'd appreciate it, and she'd be right to ''correct'' you.
I respect what you say but I disagree with you. I don't see it as gossip since my wife does the things she does out in the open. And I disagree that one needs to be blameless in order to offer correction, if that are the case there would be no criminal justice system, law enforcement or a department of corrections. To me it seems like it is a common theme these days amongst Christians and non Christians alike, that it is unacceptable for men to criticize any behaviors of a woman.
 
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