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Bible details should be taken seriously. Christ came and said "salvation is of the Jews" John 4 - but the Jews failed to take the OT texts about the coming Messiah "seriously" enough to pay attention "to the details".
Clearly they set a bad example in that regard. Let's not follow their example.
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Dan 7
The Ancient of Days
9 “I kept looking
Until thrones were set up,
And the Ancient of Days took His seat;
His vesture was like white snow
And the hair of His head like pure wool.
His throne was ablaze with flames,
Its wheels were a burning fire.
10 “A river of fire was flowing
And coming out from before Him;
Thousands upon thousands were attending Him,
And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;
The court sat,
And the books were opened.
11 Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking;...
The Son of Man Presented
13 “I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
Dan 7:
21 I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them 22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.
Your argument that humans do not have CCTV view of everything that happens in heaven and that this is somehow the fault of SDAs -- can hardly be taken seriously.
If your argument is that were such an event as described in Daniel 7 to happen in heaven - then surely God would tell us by placing it in the bible instead of just telling SDAs, is hard to take seriously since Daniel 7 is already in the Bible.
Please be serious.
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Details in Daniel 7
1. the judgment of vs 9-10 happens after the fall of the 4th empire in the list given in Daniel 7. So then after the fall of pagan Rome - which is long after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D -- and before the second coming
2. The judgment of Daniel 7 involves "judgment passed in favor of the saints"
3. Persecution of the saints on Earth continues until that judgment completes.
4. The second coming happens after the judgment completes.
5. Myriads and myriads in the courtroom in heaven -- the court sits, the books are opened and judgment takes place.
Clearly they set a bad example in that regard. Let's not follow their example.
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Dan 7
The Ancient of Days
9 “I kept looking
Until thrones were set up,
And the Ancient of Days took His seat;
His vesture was like white snow
And the hair of His head like pure wool.
His throne was ablaze with flames,
Its wheels were a burning fire.
10 “A river of fire was flowing
And coming out from before Him;
Thousands upon thousands were attending Him,
And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;
The court sat,
And the books were opened.
11 Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking;...
The Son of Man Presented
13 “I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
Dan 7:
21 I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them 22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.
I am sure that 1844 is a banner date for SDAs. They accepted the 1844 date and ran with it. Made it into the invisible (to human eyes) beginning of the investigative judgement. A transition where the resurrected Jesus Christ went from the Holy to the Most Holy in the heavenly temple and there, in the heavenly most holy,
Your argument that humans do not have CCTV view of everything that happens in heaven and that this is somehow the fault of SDAs -- can hardly be taken seriously.
If your argument is that were such an event as described in Daniel 7 to happen in heaven - then surely God would tell us by placing it in the bible instead of just telling SDAs, is hard to take seriously since Daniel 7 is already in the Bible.
Please be serious.
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Details in Daniel 7
1. the judgment of vs 9-10 happens after the fall of the 4th empire in the list given in Daniel 7. So then after the fall of pagan Rome - which is long after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D -- and before the second coming
2. The judgment of Daniel 7 involves "judgment passed in favor of the saints"
3. Persecution of the saints on Earth continues until that judgment completes.
4. The second coming happens after the judgment completes.
5. Myriads and myriads in the courtroom in heaven -- the court sits, the books are opened and judgment takes place.