To love God is to keep His commandments. Thats what scripture says.
If you told the truth then, in any previous post, re-post it - you don't seem to want the truth to be told. We can examine "the truth" and test it, to see if it is true in line with Scripture.
nvmHey, you're the one who insinuated a false teaching on my part.
Did you have any false teaching, or is everything you say the truth ?
Did you have any true post, or not ?
I had you on ignore until recently, for years, because nothing good was resulting from reading your posts. Yahweh apparently is teaching me to learn to be more 'tolerant' and hopeful for all others, not just those who agree with Him.
So, with HOPE, if you have any truth in one of your previous posts, anytime,
I'd be happy to re-consider it now, if you want to, in light of God's Word and Mercy and Truth.
Doesn't sound like anything i want to argue about.Can you provide a verse that actually says this? I know of many verses that indicate that our love for others and our obedience to God arise from a love for Him, but can't recall any verse that says what you have here, that the consequence of our love for God (obedience) is also somehow the motivation for it.
I am not alone, of course, in how I once was. Many Christians are trying to make up for a lack of a heart's desire, a deep passion, for God with obedience.
Doesn't sound like anything i want to argue about.
There is a real truth here. I think the answer is actually simple. How open are peoples hearts? Are they cleansed, purified, renewed or just trying to balance the books with good deeds balancing out the bad deeds?
It is easy to be a believer, go to church and hold Jesus as a spiritual equation, resolving sin, so we are heaven bound. It is much harder to ask, how to I love those around me, how do I forgive my parents, my family, my church. And if one does not ask or is even aware that no one around really knows you, there is a problem.
I have met many who deny Jesus came to purify us, to make us born again, renewed, to be remade, to become like children and learn how to relate, care, and really love others.
Is this what you are referring to? I love the song, "You are the air that I breath"
Jesus is all in all, the lover of my soul, my Saviour and my Lord.
God brought me to the place where I saw that all of my obedience to His commands was not out of love for Him, out of a deep passion to know and walk with Him, but out of fidelity to a belief system. What was worse, I knew I couldn't force myself to love Him. Love, after all, is not love if it is coerced. But how was I going to change my heart in this regard? Surely, if mere knowledge of God's love was the key to loving Him, I should have been a great lover of God. But I wasn't. What was wrong? Was I even saved? I wondered seriously if I was. Eventually, God helped me to understand that the love He wanted from me He had to first give to me. My human love was too selfish, too contingent, too compromised by sin, to be of any interest to Him. No, God wants His perfect, holy, faithful agape love from me, not my own human love. And so, I began to pray and ask God to give His love to me, to make me a lover of Him. Being a kind Heavenly Father, He showed me that He had already answered my prayer when I was born-again by the Holy Spirit. In the Spirit, I had received from God His perfect, holy, faithful love. I had only to yield to the Spirit manifesting his love in me for my prayer to be answered.
You never actually said whether or not you do love Him.
Nor have you proven that He acknowledges the difference you think you see.
I would argue that understanding and doing God's perfoect will (see Romans 12) requires loving him and that the clauses of John 14:15 are reflexive: If you must love Him to obey His commands, and if you obey His commands, them you love Him.
If you have convinced yourself otherwise, that's your personal problem, because it's not supported by scripture that obedience is separate from love.
Nor is there any operational difference.
As I consider what you've written here, Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 come to mind. In the passage, Paul makes it pretty clear that one can say, know, and do good and right things without love being a part of any of it.
Hi brother ...Yes ...I only partially understand a few things but your comments agree with what Jesus admonishment to one of the churches in Revelation ...You have lost your first love . Thank you in and through Christ Jesus our Lord.
You never actually said whether or not you do love Him.
Nor have you proven that He acknowledges the difference you think you see.
Or that it makes a difference.
I would argue that understanding and doing God's perfoect will (see Romans 12) requires loving him and that the clauses of John 14:15 are reflexive: If you must love Him to obey His commands, and if you obey His commands, them you love Him.
If you have convinced yourself otherwise, that's your personal problem, because it's not supported by scripture that obedience is separate from love.
Nor is there any operational difference.
Yes, I do. Very much. And more and more as the days pass.
Proven? To who? You? And what difference, exactly?
Well, clearly, I disagree.
I didn't say obedience was separate from love. In fact, I've said in this thread that they are directly related. But obedience and love are not identical things and the latter gives rise to the former. Also, I gave scriptural reasoning for my views. If you don't accept them, so be it. But, so far, you've offered nothing that defeats my views.
Again, I disagree. See my earlier posts in this thread.
No. Sorry. Lying, and Greed, rule.I think scientists are so much more wiser than Christians, because they prove their theories with experiments. And all scientists know that experiments are more important than theories.
A Christian should love consistently unexpectedly.
Truth is i could love both God and neighbor more. To love God is to keep His commandments. Thats what scripture says.
I do not say that the following things applies to you two, but I am using them as examples to explain a common phenomenon among Christians.
They are what I call jargons, which really didn't say anything. Lawyers provide definitions to each term they use, but unfortunately Christians don't have the same mindset.
For example, what do you mean "love consistently"? Should I serve God without going to sleep? Or should I keep it as a feeling in my heart all day? What do you mean "love unexpectedly"? Should I love a person without expecting he/she is to be helped? Should I expect nothing from God, and so should I not pray?
No. Sorry. Lying, and Greed, rule.