Is all that is required for salvation is believing in Christ and Him crucified?

Pete smith · Jan 9, 2019

Jason0047 said:
Did you not talk about the letter vs. that of the spirit?

"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." (Romans 2:29).

Is that your scripture?

If you say you must fully obey the Ten Commandments, that is according to the letter. We know no one can obey the letter of the Ten Commandments. The Spirit circumcises the heart, indeed, but that does not mean full compliance to the letter, for scripture tells us that will not happen.
Whos heart has been circumcised if they go around demanding of others what they do not demand of themselves? No love in that for others. Is your heart circumcised by the Spirit if you have no love for others?

Pete smith · Jan 9, 2019

Jason0047 said:
1 John 3:15 is pretty solid in refuting OSAS. It is said by John after Christ's death. He says if you hate your brother you are like a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

Side Note:

Please keep in mind that Numbers 35:16-18 makes it clear that is only takes one single act of murder to be a Bible defined murderer.

I haven't mentioned osas. No love for your brother in demanding of him what you do not demand of yourself. So are you a murderer to do such a thing?

Bible Highlighter · Jan 9, 2019

Pete smith said:
Is that your scripture?

If you say you must fully obey the Ten Commandments, that is according to the letter. We know no one can obey the letter of the Ten Commandments. The Spirit circumcises the heart, indeed, but that does not mean full compliance to the letter, for scripture tells us that will not happen.
Whos heart has been circumcised if they go around demanding of others what they do not demand of themselves? No love in that for others. Is your heart circumcised by the Spirit if you have no love for others?

You are not getting it. That is the old house contract. We are under a new house contract with new rules or commands.

Pete smith · Jan 9, 2019

Jason0047 said:
You are not getting it. That is the old house contract. We are under a new house contract with new rules or commands.

Well we have established you do not even try and obey all the rules under the new house contract haven't we. So why ask others to?.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 9, 2019

Pete smith said:
I haven't mentioned osas.

I am aware there are Free Will Baptists who state that they do not believe in OSAS. They believe you can sin and still be saved, but it is only a lack of faith whereby a person can fall away from the Faith. They are not the standard norm of individuals I talk with most of the time. Most believe in OSAS. So this is why I address this issue. Are you a Free Will Baptist?

You said:
No love for your brother in demanding of him what you do not demand of yourself. So are you a murderer to do such a thing?

You are assuming things about me when you do not know my life and you are avoiding the text in what it plainly says. Even if the whole world did not obey God's Word, it is still true regardless. If God's Word says that if you hate your brother means no eternal life abides in you, then that is exactly what it means. So you are merely avoiding to address the verse in what it plainly says. No doubt because it refutes your belief, my dear friend.

You asked for one verse.
I gave one verse to you that you are not adequately explaining.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 9, 2019

Pete smith said:
Well we have established you do not even try and obey all the rules under the new house contract haven't we. So why ask others to?.

Now you are lying. Nowhere did I state that I do not try to obey all the new house contract rules; Nor do you know anything about my life to claim otherwise.

Pete smith · Jan 9, 2019

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Jason0047 said:
I am aware there are Free Will Baptists who state that they do not believe in OSAS. They believe you can sin and still be saved, .

Well you commit sin, and I doubt you believe you have lost your salvation. To be honest, I am bored with this. Pat statements that bear no reality to ones own life will never result in meaningfull discussion. I will bid you good day.
BTW
It is not enough just to quote the letter woodenly, that does not prove you understand spiritual truth. The Pharisees of Jesus day could do that couldn't they

Pete smith · Jan 9, 2019

Pete smith said:
Do you claim to be sinless in your flesh? Do you claim to perfectly obey the law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break?

Lets take Jesus commands in the Gospels

Do you not invite friends and family home for a meal, but rather the lame, blind, poor and beggars so you may receive your reward in Heaven?
If someone asked to borrow from you, would you gladly give to them without ever expecting anything back?
If you have ever fasted, have you sdo much as hinted to anyone you are fasting?
If you are persecuted do you leap for joy?
Do you love all your enemies truly in your heart, those who may be unkind to you or persecute you?

It is easy to quote the bible with a literalistic understanding of it, but it bears no reality to your life. That's shallow religion my friend

One imagines the above would be considered house contract rules under the new covenant, for those who say Christ's commands are part of it

Bible Highlighter · Jan 9, 2019

Pete smith said:
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Well you commit sin, and I doubt you believe you have lost your salvation. To be honest, I am bored with this. Pat statements that bear no reality to ones own life will never result in meaningfull discussion. I will bid you good day.

You just assume you know my life. Sorry, you don't. Oh, and yes, a believer does lose their salvation if they do not confess and forsake their sin (See Proverbs 28:13).

BTW
It is not enough just to quote the letter woodenly, that does not prove you understand spiritual truth. The Pharisees of Jesus day could do that couldn't they

I gave you 1 John 3:15 and you are not explaining the meaning. This leads me to believe that you do not know how to explain this verse and you are misquoting Romans 2:29 in order to defend your view on not answering.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 9, 2019

Pete smith said:
One imagines the above would be considered house contract rules under the new covenant, for those who say Christ's commands are part of it

Are you saying the 613 laws of the Law of Moses all still apply today?

YeshuaFan · Jan 10, 2019

Pete smith said:
It is entirely correct, that the non moral law handed down at Sanai could be faultlessly obeyed. The moral law never was faultlessly obeyed. Though I agree, it came as one whole law

NONE have ever been justified God by keeping the law of God, as God needs it to be kept as well as Jesus alone could, perfectly!

YeshuaFan · Jan 10, 2019

Jason0047 said:
Are you saying the 613 laws of the Law of Moses all still apply today?

No, but the moral aspect of the 10 Commandments still apply towards us!

YeshuaFan · Jan 10, 2019

Jason0047 said:
Jesus told certain believers who did some good works (i.e. cast devils out in His name) to depart from Him because they also worked iniquity or sin (See Matthew 7:22-23).

Context! Those who people Jesus NEVER knew as their Lord, so were always unsaved!

YeshuaFan · Jan 10, 2019

Pete smith said:
Do you claim to be sinless in your flesh? Do you claim to perfectly obey the law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break?

Lets take Jesus commands in the Gospels

Do you not invite friends and family home for a meal, but rather the lame, blind, poor and beggars so you may receive your reward in Heaven?
If someone asked to borrow from you, would you gladly give to them without ever expecting anything back?
If you have ever fasted, have you sdo much as hinted to anyone you are fasting?
If you are persecuted do you leap for joy?
Do you love all your enemies truly in your heart, those who may be unkind to you or persecute you?

It is easy to quote the bible with a literalistic understanding of it, but it bears no reality to your life. That's shallow religion my friend

Who besides Jesus would be able to fulfill the morality expressed to us in the Sermon on the Mount? None!

YeshuaFan · Jan 10, 2019

Jason0047 said:
1 John 3:15 is pretty solid in refuting OSAS. It is said by John after Christ's death. He says if you hate your brother you are like a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

Side Note:

Please keep in mind that Numbers 35:16-18 makes it clear that it only takes one single act of murder to be a Bible defined murderer.

Jesus stated clearly that ALL that he saves shall be risen up, NONE ever get lost again!

YeshuaFan · Jan 10, 2019

Jason0047 said:
I am aware there are Free Will Baptists who state that they do not believe in OSAS. They believe you can sin and still be saved, but it is only a lack of faith whereby a person can fall away from the Faith. They are not the standard norm of individuals I talk with most of the time. Most believe in OSAS. So this is why I address this issue. Are you a Free Will Baptist?

You are assuming things about me when you do not know my life and you are avoiding the text in what it plainly says. Even if the whole world did not obey God's Word, it is still true regardless. If God's Word says that if you hate your brother means no eternal life abides in you, then that is exactly what it means. So you are merely avoiding to address the verse in what it plainly says. No doubt because it refutes your belief, my dear friend.

You asked for one verse.
I gave one verse to you that you are not adequately explaining.

God the father draws us to Jesus, Jesus died for our stead, is our High Priest, and the Holy Spirit seals us unto redemption. Jesus stated that His Father grabs us and keeps us, and who can take any of us out of God's hand? NONE!

ladodgers6 · Jan 10, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Scripture is truth. Yet it seems forgotten that even if someone is not under the law, their righteousness must exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, or you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

So no one, no one under the law, and no one not under the law, can be helped by this >>

Something else is required.

Grace and Mercy from God!

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 10, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
Jesus stated clearly that ALL that he saves shall be risen up, NONE ever get lost again!

Yahweh's Way, "saves" is an ongoing daily continual being in Yahweh's Kingdom and staying there instead of going to the other side.
Like staying in Missouri willingly, but if one chooses to cross over into Illinois, Iowa, Kansans, Oklahoma or Arkansas, they are (willingly) no longer in Missouri.

YeshuaFan · Jan 10, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Yahweh's Way, "saves" is an ongoing daily continual being in Yahweh's Kingdom and staying there instead of going to the other side.
Like staying in Missouri willingly, but if one chooses to cross over into Illinois, Iowa, Kansans, Oklahoma or Arkansas, they are (willingly) no longer in Missouri.

None though who have the new nature will even be willingly to change address!

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 10, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
None though who have the new nature will even be willingly to change address!

That's human thinking. Not necessarily correct thinking.

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