What is the Church's position on Creation/Evolution

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because they aren't equivalent
So ?

An old thread or post might important to someone, as often used to be the case for me, more important than current threads or posts.

Why should bringing up an old one matter to anyone ?

p.s. also, usually an old thread or post of interest was important BECAUSE OF SCRIPTURE related there.... i.e. same as quoting Ephesians, but in a thread or post.
 
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So ?

An old thread or post might important to someone, as often used to be the case for me, more important than current threads or posts.

Why should bringing up an old one matter to anyone ?

p.s. also, usually an old thread or post of interest was important BECAUSE OF SCRIPTURE related there.... i.e. same as quoting Ephesians, but in a thread or post.

except that wasn't why the thread was brought up again...
 
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except that wasn't why the thread was brought up again...
correct.
I did see any problem bringing up an old thread at all (usually don't see any problem with that) ....

the question was why even question it, (especially as you noted the reason was within the poster's own post)
 
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correct.
I did see any problem bringing up an old thread at all (usually don't see any problem with that) ....

the question was why even question it, (especially as you noted the reason was within the poster's own post)

because of why this thread was bumped. seriously, this is tiresome.
 
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obviously, yet you kept asking for more info.

let threads be bumped - they are OFTEN BETTER than today's threads.

no, your analogy to Scripture makes no sense with the context of this thread. it was weird.
 
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yeah...if you look before you can see why he asked. which just made your Scriptural tie in weird.
Scripture was noted, because in the past whenever a thread with important Scripture understanding was rekindled, some posters complained about an old thread being resurrected because they did not like the Scripture.

If someone sees something in an old thread that they want to bring up again, even if it is not Scripture, just let them - it is often more interesting than other threads at the time - not always, no... but so what ?
 
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Scripture was noted, because in the past whenever a thread with important Scripture understanding was rekindled, some posters complained about an old thread being resurrected because they did not like the Scripture.

If someone sees something in an old thread that they want to bring up again, even if it is not Scripture, just let them - it is often more interesting than other threads at the time - not always, no... but so what ?

no one complained about Scripture in this thread. that wasn't why gurney asked what he asked.

and it wasn't more interesting. and this is still weird.
 
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I have watched nearly all of his videos from the last 3 years within his geopolitics, theology, and philosophy talks and he does seem to fall into a lot of conspiracy. However, I have yet to hear anything anti-semitic or racist from him. His philosophy and theology talks are actually quite spot on. I have to be discerning when hearing about the conspiracies he spouts though.
I also have not heard anything racist from him, but I have not known about him for very long.
It seems to me that to suggest all "conspiracy theories" are red flags associated with racism, anti-semitism etc. is just falling into another version of left-right politics, applied to religion.
To suggest that all conspiracy theories are "false" or "complete foolishness" would be to suggest that the Church does not have any worldly opponents or detractors... Which it clearly does.
Perhaps the greatest "conspiracy theory" of all time is that Jesus WAS in fact the Son of God, incarnate as a human being. That he DOES in fact metaphysically change the relationship that humans have to Eternality. Perhaps that it is why it is so difficult for some to accept.
Perhaps there really ARE powerful groups attempting to subvert and undermine the Truth, at the behest of some powers and principalities...
Always, always, always try to use discernment.
 
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Perhaps the greatest "conspiracy theory" of all time is that Jesus WAS in fact the Son of God, incarnate as a human being. That he DOES in fact metaphysically change the relationship that humans have to Eternality. Perhaps that it is why it is so difficult for some to accept.
What does this mean ?
 
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indeed, it's the evolutionists within Orthodoxy who are far more concerned about the age of the earth, whereas the Creationists focus on anthropology and soteriology.

If that were the case, then I think there would be far less disagreement. The problem is when people start saying things like the earth is 7053 years old - there are/were people on this forum who believe that.
 
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If I thought I knew the exact age of the Earth, give or take seventy million years, I reckon I’d be pretty confident in everything else I thought I knew. Of course, all knowledge depends on the basis on which we think we know it and believe it to be true. It all comes down to faith in one authority or another, in one narrative or another.

The chief thing I would encourage Orthodox Christians to do would be to confine themselves to acknowledged authority within their own Church. The one thing we should never do is to appeal to non-Orthodox authority to try to establish or impose our own version or understanding.

I suppose I could say the same thing about heliocentrism. I think that was point being made. Of course there was one poster in the forum that did seem to believe in geocentrism of sorts. Since we can't really know anything outside the Church, then why not?
 
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If that were the case, then I think there would be far less disagreement. The problem is when people start saying things like the earth is 7053 years old - there are/were people on this forum who believe that.
Yes, I believe that, but it's not a central/foundational point for Orthodox Creationists. Debating about it is mainly a distraction from the more important issue, which is, as Fr. Matt said, the origin of death, and many other related issues, and, in my experience, evolutionists use it to avoid talking about the real issues.
 
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Yes, I believe that, but it's not a central/foundational point for Orthodox Creationists. Debating about it is mainly a distraction from the more important issue, which is, as Fr. Matt said, the origin of death, and many other related issues, and, in my experience, evolutionists use it to avoid talking about the real issues.

Unless he has changed his mind - ArmyMatt is a YECer.
 
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