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When it comes to Christianity, however, I think God expects us all to be on the same team.
Does God say what He expects ? Since most people are on the other side, it pays, eternally , to be able to be on His Side, right ? "At all cost, get truth" HE Says in His Word. Most people stay on the wide road to destruction, even as stated in Revelation multitudes not finding out until after they die they were on that road and not on the narrow road . i.e. they not only were deceived by sin and self, believing their own delusions as God gave them over to do they were also attempting to drag everyone down with them, everywhere they could. As written in the Bible over and over and over.
 
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Matthew 22:37-38: And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment.

How do you love God in your life? I am curious to know.

To break down this question, I would ask the following:

1. How do you love God, when we cannot love Him like other people because God cannot be seen, and because God has nothing that requires our help?
2. Do you love God by loving other people as yourself? If so, do you think that by doing so, you fulfil the commandment to love God?
3. What helps you to love God to a greater extent?

I have my answers, but I want to hear from you all.

I look forward to seeing some constructive answers, but not focusing on theological debates.

Edit: I have given my own answer in the following post. I apologise to those who think I should give my answer before asking. You are right to think so.
Hello Tharseo.

You asked the following questions.
1. How do you love God, when we cannot love Him like other people because God cannot be seen, and because God has nothing that requires our help?
God cannot be seen you say?

Well God has made Himself visible in the man Jesus Christ, God has already walked and talked with us.

If you want to know what Jesus looks like in heaven, then read the following.

Daniel 10:6
His body also was like beryl, his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a tumult.

Here is the portrait of Jesus again in the New Testament.

Revelation 1:13-15
I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.

The Father gave everything over to Jesus, the Lord of heaven and earth is Jesus. The entire purpose of the scripture is the revelation of Jesus Christ.

2. Do you love God by loving other people as yourself? If so, do you think that by doing so, you fulfil the commandment to love God?
Yes, one hundred percent correct. God is love and to love others as Christ has loved you, is bearing the fruit. How you treat everyone else is directly linked to what you believe.
3. What helps you to love God to a greater extent?
In understanding that the sole reason I exist, is to love and serve Jesus Christ. We were created in love and purely for Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
 
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God cannot be seen you say?

You did not see God in your life, did you? Maybe I am not making it clear. I want to ask how you love God when you did not see God.

Yes, one hundred percent correct. God is love and to love others as Christ has loved you, is bearing the fruit. How you treat everyone else is directly linked to what you believe.

I am not challenging you, but I want you to think more about it. Could you please kindly give your view on this: can a non-Christian love others? Did a non-Christian fulfil the commandments to love God by loving others?
 
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Does God say what He expects ? Since most people are on the other side, it pays, eternally , to be able to be on His Side, right ? "At all cost, get truth" HE Says in His Word. Most people stay on the wide road to destruction, even as stated in Revelation multitudes not finding out until after they die they were on that road and not on the narrow road . i.e. they not only were deceived by sin and self, believing their own delusions as God gave them over to do they were also attempting to drag everyone down with them, everywhere they could. As written in the Bible over and over and over.

True. There are, in fact, many brothers and sisters who are on the wide road. But we are still one. We do not pluck the tares. We do not separate ourselves from these people (I mean physically), for God had put us in this dire situation. A false brother is still a brother, whom we should love as a part of the body.
 
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Does God say what He expects ? Since most people are on the other side, it pays, eternally , to be able to be on His Side, right ? "At all cost, get truth" HE Says in His Word. Most people stay on the wide road to destruction, even as stated in Revelation multitudes not finding out until after they die they were on that road and not on the narrow road . i.e. they not only were deceived by sin and self, believing their own delusions as God gave them over to do they were also attempting to drag everyone down with them, everywhere they could. As written in the Bible over and over and over.

The question in the OP, however, is how do we love God. Let's try to focus on that.
 
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Everyone who loves God, seeks what He Seeks, loves what He loves, and hates what He hates.

Adamant With Lisa Bevere - What is truth? Culture is buying the lie that truth is a river, ebbing and flowing with the passage of time. But truth is not a river—it is a rock. And in a raging sea of opinions, this plan will help anchor your soul—giving you a clear sense of direction in a wandering world.

" When we receive God’s love, the most natural and necessary response is for us to give love. We should love fearlessly, triumphantly, and endlessly. The true evidence of someone who knows they are loved is that they love well.

God doesn’t have love; He is love. Love is His very nature. And because God is love, you cannot stop Him from loving you. His love is invincible and immovable, unshaken by your ebbs and flows.

But because God loves everyone, He cannot love everything. Since God is adamant in love, He must also be adamant in hate.

This may seem like a contradiction at first glance, but that is only because our culture has idolized love. We know that God is love, but have we made our idea of love god?

The truth is, God hates what unmakes love. He hates what tears apart those He loves. This is why God must hate what distorts our identity.

Scripture also tells us God hates: everything that compromises justice and truth, when widows and orphans are oppressed, the abuse of the elderly and the neglect of family, what perverts His goodness and taints His gifts, when love gets twisted into selfishness and friends become enemies, what changes His image and distorts ours, when evil is called good and the innocent are killed, and when arrogance and pride degrade us. In short, God hates all that undermines love, for everything that debases love debases us.

We cannot have genuine love if we “love everything.” God is adamant in both love and hate, so we must learn to love what God loves and hate what He hates."
 
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True. There are, in fact, many brothers and sisters who are on the wide road. But we are still one. We do not pluck the tares. We do not separate ourselves from these people (I mean physically), for God had put us in this dire situation. A false brother is still a brother, whom we should love as a part of the body.

That's the thing. If we allow ourselves to be the vessel through which God can love those who do no yet know him, maybe they too will come to know and love Him. I shudder to think how many have turned away because of the really ugly way that Jesus was presented to them by well intended but unloving Christians.
 
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If we allow ourselves to be the vessel through which God can love those who do no yet know him, maybe they too will come to know and love Him.
That is the whole point of the GOSPEL - the GOOD NEWS ! (for sinners)
 
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I shudder to think how many have turned away because of the really ugly way that Jesus was presented to them by well intended but unloving Christians.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.Mat 24:12
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.Mat 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
 
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Matthew 22:37-38: And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment.

How do you love God in your life? I am curious to know.

To break down this question, I would ask the following:

1. How do you love God, when we cannot love Him like other people because God cannot be seen, and because God has nothing that requires our help?
2. Do you love God by loving other people as yourself? If so, do you think that by doing so, you fulfil the commandment to love God?
3. What helps you to love God to a greater extent?

I have my answers, but I want to hear from you all.

I look forward to seeing some constructive answers, but not focusing on theological debates.

Edit: I have given my own answer in the following post. I apologise to those who think I should give my answer before asking. You are right to think so.

A good question.
My answer is to bring God into everything I do.

Love is a response of your hearts to things around us.
When we see God moving, and know who He is, and How He works, our hearts respond in joy and love.

The struggle of asking what is love? Why do people annoy me so? Why do I push people away when the get close? Why is there so much anger if I do not get what I expect, or hurt at not being recognised?

We know we are born far from Him, but with a desire to know Him more.

Our goal is to become one with Him is Spirit and Truth.

So we will have to change, to be reborn, to learn everything new, to build new bridges and new ways of being with everything. But Jesus promises to lead us, show us, empower us, commune with us through the Holy Spirit.

I have met many who close their hearts off, refuse to change, but just want the outside looking like Christ, but are happy to rot within. Some want through effort to become different through asceticism but this always fails, because its well is not from within.

Repentance, brokenness, sorrow, meekness, failure, openness, asking in faith for help, willing to listen, to change behaviour, to be rather than to think, to become rather than to defend.

Paul at the end of his life, never claimed he had arrived, but was still walking.
He said, "Aim at perfection". How many even know this is our aspiration and goal?
How many would reject this even as a christian reality?
 
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You did not see God in your life, did you? Maybe I am not making it clear. I want to ask how you love God when you did not see God.



I am not challenging you, but I want you to think more about it. Could you please kindly give your view on this: can a non-Christian love others? Did a non-Christian fulfil the commandments to love God by loving others?

If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full.

But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.


A Christian should love consistently unexpectedly.
 
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I am not challenging you, but I want you to think more about it. Could you please kindly give your view on this: can a non-Christian love others? Did a non-Christian fulfil the commandments to love God by loving others?

No.

It is a critical error in the understanding of Christianity to think that sin is a matter of committing certain bad acts or that righteousness is a matter of performing certain good acts.

Belief in God, acceptance of Christ as savior, and commitment to His mission--and then everything that entails--is the sum of the life of one who is saved.

Someone who does "good things" but without a devotion to Christ is like a guy who goes to an Army surplus store and buys a military uniform. If he hasn't sworn the oath, the commander does not recognize him.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
 
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Now I think about it, I can give my answers without the tone of giving a sermon, by explaining how I obtained the answers.

So I started this thread because I have been asking this question to myself for years. When I started my spiritual journey, I looked at this first and great commandment and was confused. How does a person love God? I know how to love a person (or I thought I knew), but love God? I do not understand. How do I love a being that I cannot see and cannot touch? Can I ever do one thing to love God? Can I give Him a present? Can I help Him in any way? I didn't know. And so I was really confused and kind of frustrated by the fact that I could not even follow the first and the greatest commandment in the entire Bible.

So I read the Bible and looked for answers. As many of you pointed out, there are passages that tell us we love God by obeying his commandments, and the commandments are summed up in loving your neighbour as yourself. So I thought, ok, I am going to do just that. It is easier for me to understand, at least I thought so at that time. For a few years I did follow this second commandment, to love neighbour "as myself". It is not just helping people, but I truly care for others' benefit over my own, offer people as much as I can give, think for them like they are part of my own life, that what they experienced and how they feel is the same as what I experienced and how I feel.

I also looked to the things of God, like reading His words in Bible, talking to God in prayers, and asking for the fruit of the Spirit. God is gracious enough to answer me and give me what I asked for. I felt like I am close to God.

Until I, not long ago, read a verse and was shocked by that.

Psalms 18:1
I love you, O LORD, my strength.

Nothing special, it seems. But I meditated on it and I found myself think differently than what David thinks. David loves God, not just His people, not just His commandments, not just His words, not just the things of God, but God Himself, the one and the only living God. To think that I was not even following the first commandment for years was so shocking to me that I trembled and asked God for forgiveness.

I start to know what it means to love God. It is a personal relationship with God, that I can share the joy and sorrow with God. I can live in God and God in me. I can feel the same as how God feels, and God feels the same as how I feel. I can trust God with all my life, and, eventually, God will trust me and make me a vessel for honour and give me His power to do His will on behave of Him. I can love God like any other people, and to be precise, more than any other people, since the Spirit of God is in me with my own spirit. I can have a closer relationship with God more than anyone else.

Another passage also spoke to me on this matter.

Matthew 6:9-10
Pray then like this: "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

How often did I pray like that? Very rare. Maybe I pray like the following passage, asking for my needs and forgiveness and protection. Is Yahweh the name of God being honoured as holy? Is His kingdom and His authority reigning in me and in His people? Is His will being done on earth as in heaven? I never really thought and cared about them, instead I cared only myself.

Haggai 1:9
You looked for much, and behold, it came to little. And when you brought it home, I blew it away. Why? declares the LORD of hosts. Because of my house that lies in ruins, while each of you busies himself with his own house.

I guess I have answered the first two questions I asked. For the third question, I guess you can come up with a million answers, but I will give the ones that I find it most encouraging.

1. Be silent and still. It is kind of hard to explain, but I can be in presence of God by doing so. I can admire the glory of Yahweh my God, and be thankful in my heart to God for His grace and mercy.

Psalms 27:4
One thing have I asked of the LORD, that will I seek after: that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the LORD and to inquire in his temple.

2. To know the Lord through the Bible, and find what He wants me to do. It is not about how many passage I read. I would rather read five verses a week and do it in my life, than to read five chapters a week and not do it. It is very encouraging to see His words become true in my life.

3. To work out His will with God. I found that it is an interactive thing to work alongside with God, not just I do this and that by my own. I can respond to what He wants me to do, and He responds to what I do. I find that He will give me much more than what I gave up to follow His will. And that makes me really want to follow His will.

I hope you all find that a Christian life is full of joy and peace, that Yahweh our living God is for us and with us all the time.
Hi brother ...Yes ...I only partially understand a few things but your comments agree with what Jesus admonishment to one of the churches in Revelation ...You have lost your first love . Thank you in and through Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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So I read the Bible and looked for answers. As many of you pointed out, there are passages that tell us we love God by obeying his commandments, and the commandments are summed up in loving your neighbour as yourself. So I thought, ok, I am going to do just that. It is easier for me to understand, at least I thought so at that time. For a few years I did follow this second commandment, to love neighbour "as myself". It is not just helping people, but I truly care for others' benefit over my own, offer people as much as I can give, think for them like they are part of my own life, that what they experienced and how they feel is the same as what I experienced and how I feel.

As I consider what you've written here, Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 come to mind. In the passage, Paul makes it pretty clear that one can say, know, and do good and right things without love being a part of any of it. Implicit in his words is that love for God and right living are not synonymous. One can speak with the tongues of men and of angels without love being in one's speech. One can prophesy, understand all mysteries, possess all knowledge, and demonstrate enormous faith in God and yet be devoid of love for Him. One can give away all they own to the poor and die a martyr's death in flames and do so without love for God in one's heart. Isn't that shocking?! It is possible to die as a martyr for the faith without really loving God! And Paul indicates that such a death "profits nothing"! Yikes! I used to be the sort of person Paul described in 1 Corinthians 13:1-3. I was a "good" Christian, attending church twice on Sundays, every Wednesday evening for prayer meeting, and again on Friday for Youth events. I taught Sunday School classes, I tithed, I prayed, I never swore, or drank alcohol, or partied with drugs as so many of my schoolmates did. I was clean as a whistle and almost entirely empty of a love for God. Oh, there were some weak, faltering flickers of affection for Him, that, provoked by a powerful sermon, might burst into momentary hot flames of sentimental emotion, but my day-to-day obedience to God's commands had really nothing to do with loving Him. And, as Paul pointed out to the Corinthians, all of my obedience was, consequently, spiritually useless.

I am not alone, of course, in how I once was. Many Christians are trying to make up for a lack of a heart's desire, a deep passion, for God with obedience. Even if they don't have any daily personal fellowship with God, no joyful, intimate interactions with Him, no delight in being moment-by-moment in His presence, they will still be obedient. Surely, dutiful, perhaps even fearful, obedience to God is still acceptable to Him simply because such obedience is moral and right. But, Paul is very clear in his words to the Corinthian believers that the Christian life lived apart from a motive of love for God is of no spiritual value whatever. Preach all the sermons you like with all the charisma, and eloquence, and truth you can infuse into them, but if those sermons don't come from a heart of love for God, you'll be nothing more than a clanging cymbal or noisy gong. Become a virtual encyclopedia of Christian knowledge, understand all the subtleties of Christian philosophy, theology and doctrine, tower above all others in the measure of your faith in God, but if you don't love Him, you're nothing. Give away all of your money and your possessions to the poor and sacrifice yourself to the flames of martyrdom, refusing to recant your fidelity to the Christian faith no matter the cost, but without a love for God motivating your sacrifices, they profit you nothing. And still, in spite of Paul's words here, in spite of Christ's words making the First and Great Commandment, not obedience to God, but wholehearted love for Him (Matthew 22:36-38), the majority of Christians persist in trying to live for God without such love.

Until I, not long ago, read a verse and was shocked by that.

Psalms 18:1
I love you, O LORD, my strength.

Nothing special, it seems. But I meditated on it and I found myself think differently than what David thinks. David loves God, not just His people, not just His commandments, not just His words, not just the things of God, but God Himself, the one and the only living God. To think that I was not even following the first commandment for years was so shocking to me that I trembled and asked God for forgiveness.

A terrible but absolutely vital revelation! Oh, that more Christians would see what you have in this regard!

I start to know what it means to love God. It is a personal relationship with God, that I can share the joy and sorrow with God. I can live in God and God in me. I can feel the same as how God feels, and God feels the same as how I feel. I can trust God with all my life, and, eventually, God will trust me and make me a vessel for honour and give me His power to do His will on behave of Him. I can love God like any other people, and to be precise, more than any other people, since the Spirit of God is in me with my own spirit. I can have a closer relationship with God more than anyone else.

What can God give to us that is greater, that is better, that is more fulfilling and excellent than Himself? He is the Supreme Pinnacle, the Unmatched Apex, the Shining Unparalleled Core of everything. Nothing else comes anywhere close to how marvellous, and incredible, and precious He is! Why, then, do His children seem often to want anything but Him? They want His power, His blessings, His providence, His protection, and a mansion in heaven one day, but they don't really want Him. God has become small, and weak, and uninteresting in the minds of so many today. Many Christians are going about with this view of God, and so are empty of the joy and power of walking in fellowship with Him. They look at one another and think, "My flat, grey, powerless life as a Christian is just like the life of every other Christian I know. I guess this is what the Christian life is really like." How wrong they are! And in their terrible error may one day find themselves standing before Christ, hearing the words, "Depart from me. I never knew you."
 
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That is the whole point of the GOSPEL - the GOOD NEWS ! (for sinners)

I agree. Ergo I think to live the Gospel rather than just dictate a litany of rules, regulations, dogma, doctrine etc. etc. etc. is what God wants of us and how we best love him.
 
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Matthew 22:37-38: And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment.

How do you love God in your life? I am curious to know.

To break down this question, I would ask the following:

1. How do you love God, when we cannot love Him like other people because God cannot be seen, and because God has nothing that requires our help?
2. Do you love God by loving other people as yourself? If so, do you think that by doing so, you fulfil the commandment to love God?
3. What helps you to love God to a greater extent?

I have my answers, but I want to hear from you all.

I look forward to seeing some constructive answers, but not focusing on theological debates.

Edit: I have given my own answer in the following post. I apologise to those who think I should give my answer before asking. You are right to think so.
Truth is i could love both God and neighbor more. To love God is to keep His commandments. Thats what scripture says.
 
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Truth is i could love both God and neighbor more. To love God is to keep His commandments. Thats what scripture says.
Agree, yes. That is what is Written, unchanged, unchanging.
Choosing willingly and fully and joyously with hope to serve God no matter what,
is Scripture's def of love.
Without obedience, sorry, total loss.
 
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John 3:19 And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world ...
John 3:19 And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil.
And the judgment is based on this fact: God's light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil.

Revelation 9:20 Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these ...
Revelation 9:20 Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.
The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, ...
 
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