Restoring the Festivals and Sacrifices

CherubRam · Jan 7, 2019

After all that has been discussed on different threads, how do you feel about the restoring of the Festivals and sacrifices?

Tone · Jan 7, 2019

CherubRam said:
After all that has been discussed on different threads, how do you feel about the restoring of the Festivals and sacrifices?

I'm a newbie so I haven't had a chance to view the other discussions on this topic. Do you mean restoring them for the whole Earth or for Israel?

For the entire Earth, I think that will be done when Messiah's reign is on Earth as it is in heaven.

The above is addressing the Festivals, specifically, Sukkot as a fulfillment of Zechariah 14:16. As for the other Festivals, I'm not sure if they are for the nations. I know that they are for Israel, which includes all of us who are grafted in.

As to the sacrifices; obviously the atoning sacrifice is fulfilled and finished in Messiah.

I'm not sure about the others and who they are for...

CherubRam · Jan 7, 2019

241 view in three hours. Wow! And one comment.

CherubRam · Jan 7, 2019

I am still waiting to hear from any Messianic's or Jews.

visionary · Jan 7, 2019

restoring indicated something was lost. ..

Tone · Jan 7, 2019

CherubRam said:
I am still waiting to hear from any Messianic's or Jews.

...um...I'm Messianic...

CherubRam · Jan 7, 2019

visionary said:
restoring indicated something was lost. ..

Has the temple been rebuilt, and has there been animal sacrifice in the temple?

CherubRam · Jan 7, 2019

Tone said:
...um...I'm Messianic...

Has the temple been rebuilt, and has there been animal sacrifice in the temple?

Tone · Jan 7, 2019

CherubRam said:
Has the temple been rebuilt, and has there been animal sacrifice in the temple?

Not that I'm aware of.

visionary · Jan 8, 2019

Wouldn't restoring the temple and sacrifices insult the work of the Messiah which the temple and services pointed to?

CherubRam · Jan 8, 2019

visionary said:
Wouldn't restoring the temple and sacrifices insult the work of the Messiah which the temple and services pointed to?

Restoring the Temple is OK, but restoring the Festivals and Sacrifices would be an insult to Christ for the fulfilling of them. It was God's intent to put a permanent end to that priesthood along with the Festivals and Sacrifices.

CherubRam · Jan 8, 2019

Baptism is the declaration of faith in the New Covenant whereby all people can enter. The Old Covenant of Circumcision was also a covenant whereby all can enter. The difference now being that the Old Covenant had been revoked.

Zechariah 11
10 Then I took my staff called Favor and broke it, revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations. 11 It was revoked on that day, and so the oppressed of the flock who were watching me knew it was (the word / Yahshua) of (the Lord / Yahwah.)

CherubRam · Jan 8, 2019

I see that a lot of people are interested in this conversation, but they are keeping silent.

Tone · Jan 8, 2019

CherubRam said:
Restoring the Temple is OK, but restoring the Festivals and Sacrifices would be an insult to Christ for the fulfilling of them. It was God's intent to put a permanent end to that priesthood along with the Festivals and Sacrifices.

So you think Zechariah 14:16 happens before kingdom come? So, you don't do the Moedim?

CherubRam · Jan 8, 2019

Tone said:
So you think Zechariah 14:16 happens before kingdom come? So, you don't do the Moedim?

Zechariah 14:16 applies to the survivors at the beginning of the thousand year reign. There is no mention of circumcision being required for The Festival of Tabernacles.

chunkofcoal · Jan 8, 2019

CherubRam said:
Baptism is the declaration of faith in the New Covenant whereby all people can enter. The Old Covenant of Circumcision was also a covenant whereby all can enter. The difference now being that the Old Covenant had been revoked.

Zechariah 11
10 Then I took my staff called Favor and broke it, revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations. 11 It was revoked on that day, and so the oppressed of the flock who were watching me knew it was (the word / Yahshua) of (the Lord / Yahwah.)

If the old covenant was revoked, then why did the disciples keep the Law?

Also the verse you quote from Zechariah says "revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations". It isn't about the "old covenant". What Rashi says about it makes sense to me -"to nullify My covenant that I [had] formed with all the peoples: To show them that because they betrayed Me, I nullified My covenant that I formed with all the peoples concerning them, that the [peoples] not harm them. For, on that condition I gave them the Torah, that if they keep it, they will be free from the kingdoms; that no nation or tongue shall rule over them."

chunkofcoal · Jan 8, 2019

CherubRam said:
Restoring the Temple is OK, but restoring the Festivals and Sacrifices would be an insult to Christ for the fulfilling of them. It was God's intent to put a permanent end to that priesthood along with the Festivals and Sacrifices.

So why did God say this?
Jer 33:14-18 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. (15) In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. (16) In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. (17) For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; (18) Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

CherubRam · Jan 8, 2019

chunkofcoal said:
So why did God say this?
Jer 33:14-18 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. (15) In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. (16) In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. (17) For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; (18) Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

Jeremiah 33:18
nor will the Levitical priests (priesthood) ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.’”
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Hebrews 7:27
Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
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CherubRam · Jan 8, 2019

chunkofcoal said:
If the old covenant was revoked, then why did the disciples keep the Law?

Also the verse you quote from Zechariah says "revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations". It isn't about the "old covenant". What Rashi says about it makes sense to me -"to nullify My covenant that I [had] formed with all the peoples: To show them that because they betrayed Me, I nullified My covenant that I formed with all the peoples concerning them, that the [peoples] not harm them. For, on that condition I gave them the Torah, that if they keep it, they will be free from the kingdoms; that no nation or tongue shall rule over them."

Nonsense!

chunkofcoal · Jan 9, 2019

CherubRam said:
Jeremiah 33:18
nor will the Levitical priests (priesthood) ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.’”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Hebrews 7:27
Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

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