We never were ever justified or chosen by (our ability to keep) the Law, ever, God never changed...

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We were never justified by the Law... What we call the NC is actually a much older covenant than the Law covenant, and even from the moment it was instituted no one was justified by it, nor was ever chosen because of it (the Law, or one's ability to keep it) but even while under the Law, it was always by Faith, (that they were chosen and justified by God and saved, are called or were called His, ect, all that) and never by (one's ability to keep) the Law...

So, why the Law...? It was God saying basically, "I will use this to show man his own ways, and for a time, since they insist on walking in their own ways (will, effort, ect) (and not by Faith in Me, ect), for a time, and for a very good reason an purpose, for a time, I will judge them by their own ways, and even make them go by their own ways, until such a time (Until Christ) as they will no longer walk in their own ways anymore, (and go back the the prior covenant of Faith), then I will have mercy upon them and show them mercy...

But the people God chose, and the what we would call the "New Covenant" is not new, but is old, and predates the Law and goes all the back to and gets it's origins from, the original command that was in and from the beginning... And, the people God chose and helped and saved, was not ever based on Law, in fact, the Law had very little to nothing to do with it, ever, and God has not changed in that or this, in that it was always by and was always because of "Faith" and never Law, ever...

God saw certain people with Faith, and said or concluded that He could "do something with that" and that was the basis by which he chose, always... and was never because of Law or ones own ability to keep or obey the Law, ever, not even while under Law or when and while the Law was instituted or was put into effect... It (The Law Covenant) does not invalidate the covenant the preceded it (The Covenant of Faith)... So, you right, God has not changed and never changed, but He has always made it about faith and not Law, ever... And the Covenant of faith, is the New Covenant, only it is not new at all, but is very, very old, predating the Law by far, ect...

The Covenant of Faith is by the Spirit and not just the letter, but the Law Covenant is the flesh, and is restricted and very limited by the being limited to just the "letter" (of the or any Law)...

The Law or even keeping the or any written down rule of Law or commands or commandments, or the, or any letter of any Law, are secondary to the Covenant that preceded it, that was greater than it... And in obeying it, sin is covered and is forgiven... It is obeyed in the Spirit, and by the Spirit, and is all the "greater matters of "THE LAW" or the Law" from the beginning, that the letter cannot do or be, ever... But is in our hearts by the Spirit...

God Bless!
 
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I Have tried my own will and my own ways, and thought that was the way for a while, but didn't understand why I was having such a hard time, and so much trouble, till I got these kinds of revelations and started walking in them and it... I was told that my doing it in and on my own and in my own will, efforts, whatever, the reason I seemed to have even more problems and temptations to sin, doing it my way, was because that gives it it's power and strength, and was feeding it, (or those increased temptations) cause that is the curse of it...

So, what's the alternative...? Walk in Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, and walking in the Spirit is about surrender, and little to no, self-will or self-effort... It's about being relaxed and cool and calm and level and level headed in any given situation or circumstance and in life in general, and truly being it/that and on the inside all the time, for this is what truly walking in Spirit and being led moment by moment into the next moment, by the Spirit, means...

Some sin still remains though, And I don't know where to go from here or what to do about it or next, at this point...

Sticking with God, and seeing what will happen next, I guess...

Not going to walk solely in my own ways (will, ect) anymore... I'm going to go after and follow and pursue and even chase down the Spirit if I have to...

God Bless!
 
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We were never justified by the Law... What we call the NC is actually a much older covenant than the Law covenant, and even from the moment it was instituted no one was justified by it, nor was ever chosen because of it (the Law, or one's ability to keep it) but even while under the Law, it was always by Faith, (that they were chosen and justified by God and saved, are called or were called His, ect, all that) and never by (one's ability to keep) the Law...

So, why the Law...? It was God saying basically, "I will use this to show man his own ways, and for a time, since they insist on walking in their own ways (will, effort, ect) (and not by Faith in Me, ect), for a time, and for a very good reason an purpose, for a time, I will judge them by their own ways, and even make them go by their own ways, until such a time (Until Christ) as they will no longer walk in their own ways anymore, (and go back the the prior covenant of Faith), then I will have mercy upon them and show them mercy...

But the people God chose, and the what we would call the "New Covenant" is not new, but is old, and predates the Law and goes all the back to and gets it's origins from, the original command that was in and from the beginning... And, the people God chose and helped and saved, was not ever based on Law, in fact, the Law had very little to nothing to do with it, ever, and God has not changed in that or this, in that it was always by and was always because of "Faith" and never Law, ever...

God saw certain people with Faith, and said or concluded that He could "do something with that" and that was the basis by which he chose, always... and was never because of Law or ones own ability to keep or obey the Law, ever, not even while under Law or when and while the Law was instituted or was put into effect... It (The Law Covenant) does not invalidate the covenant the preceded it (The Covenant of Faith)... So, you right, God has not changed and never changed, but He has always made it about faith and not Law, ever... And the Covenant of faith, is the New Covenant, only it is not new at all, but is very, very old, predating the Law by far, ect...

The Covenant of Faith is by the Spirit and not just the letter, but the Law Covenant is the flesh, and is restricted and very limited by the being limited to just the "letter" (of the or any Law)...

The Law or even keeping the or any written down rule of Law or commands or commandments, or the, or any letter of any Law, are secondary to the Covenant that preceded it, that was greater than it... And in obeying it, sin is covered and is forgiven... It is obeyed in the Spirit, and by the Spirit, and is all the "greater matters of "THE LAW" or the Law" from the beginning, that the letter cannot do or be, ever... But is in our hearts by the Spirit...

God Bless!
Thank you so much for this. You have answered a question i had during my personal devotion recently. The Spirit of God is surely at work.
 
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I Have tried my own will and my own ways, and thought that was the way for a while, but didn't understand why I was having such a hard time, and so much trouble, till I got these kinds of revelations and started walking in them and it... I was told that my doing it in and on my own and in my own will, efforts, whatever, the reason I seemed to have even more problems and temptations to sin, doing it my way, was because that gives it it's power and strength, and was feeding it, (or those increased temptations) cause that is the curse of it...

So, what's the alternative...? Walk in Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, and walking in the Spirit is about surrender, and little to no, self-will or self-effort... It's about being relaxed and cool and calm and level and level headed in any given situation or circumstance and in life in general, and truly being it/that and on the inside all the time, for this is what truly walking in Spirit and being led moment by moment into the next moment, by the Spirit, means...

Some sin still remains though, And I don't know where to go from here or what to do about it or next, at this point...

Sticking with God, and seeing what will happen next, I guess...

Not going to walk solely in my own ways (will, ect) anymore... I'm going to go after and follow and pursue and even chase down the Spirit if I have to...

God Bless!

Interesting, I take suggestions from God but I only act on them if I judge it as Godly and upright. I'm schizophrenic and get tricked by false spirits too much to just let spirits lead me. Guess I have to work differently. God Bless :)
 
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Interesting, I take suggestions from God but I only act on them if I judge it as Godly and upright. I'm schizophrenic and get tricked by false spirits too much to just let spirits lead me. Guess I have to work differently. God Bless :)
I am also, but know what ones to listen to and which ones not to, or shoot down and/or reject ect, now. It is the "attitude" of the voice or Spirit that will tell you a lot I have found out, it's approach with you or to you, ect. I have also figured out locations of these now also, but always outside (though i will hear them in or speaking to my mind and head) but the voice from above and the one deep inside my core from within can be trusted.

God Bless!
 
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I am also, but know what ones to listen to and which ones not to, or shoot down and/or reject ect, now. It is the "attitude" of the voice or Spirit that will tell you a lot I have found out, it's approach with you or to you, ect. I have also figured out locations of these now also, but always outside (though i will hear them in or speaking to my mind and head) but the voice from above and the one deep inside my core from within can be trusted.

God Bless!

Yeah I guess I haven't figured them out that much. Thanks for the info :)
 
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We were never justified by the Law... What we call the NC is actually a much older covenant than the Law covenant, and even from the moment it was instituted no one was justified by it, nor was ever chosen because of it (the Law, or one's ability to keep it) but even while under the Law, it was always by Faith, (that they were chosen and justified by God and saved, are called or were called His, ect, all that) and never by (one's ability to keep) the Law...

So, why the Law...? It was God saying basically, "I will use this to show man his own ways, and for a time, since they insist on walking in their own ways (will, effort, ect) (and not by Faith in Me, ect), for a time, and for a very good reason an purpose, for a time, I will judge them by their own ways, and even make them go by their own ways, until such a time (Until Christ) as they will no longer walk in their own ways anymore, (and go back the the prior covenant of Faith), then I will have mercy upon them and show them mercy...

But the people God chose, and the what we would call the "New Covenant" is not new, but is old, and predates the Law and goes all the back to and gets it's origins from, the original command that was in and from the beginning... And, the people God chose and helped and saved, was not ever based on Law, in fact, the Law had very little to nothing to do with it, ever, and God has not changed in that or this, in that it was always by and was always because of "Faith" and never Law, ever...

God saw certain people with Faith, and said or concluded that He could "do something with that" and that was the basis by which he chose, always... and was never because of Law or ones own ability to keep or obey the Law, ever, not even while under Law or when and while the Law was instituted or was put into effect... It (The Law Covenant) does not invalidate the covenant the preceded it (The Covenant of Faith)... So, you right, God has not changed and never changed, but He has always made it about faith and not Law, ever... And the Covenant of faith, is the New Covenant, only it is not new at all, but is very, very old, predating the Law by far, ect...

The Covenant of Faith is by the Spirit and not just the letter, but the Law Covenant is the flesh, and is restricted and very limited by the being limited to just the "letter" (of the or any Law)...

The Law or even keeping the or any written down rule of Law or commands or commandments, or the, or any letter of any Law, are secondary to the Covenant that preceded it, that was greater than it... And in obeying it, sin is covered and is forgiven... It is obeyed in the Spirit, and by the Spirit, and is all the "greater matters of "THE LAW" or the Law" from the beginning, that the letter cannot do or be, ever... But is in our hearts by the Spirit...

God Bless!

God did this to show us that the law would not work.
It's like a parable, but God only has to think and it happens.
 
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So, what's the alternative...? Walk in Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, and walking in the Spirit is about surrender, and little to no, self-will or self-effort... It's about being relaxed and cool and calm and level and level headed in any given situation or circumstance and in life in general, and truly being it/that and on the inside all the time, for this is what truly walking in Spirit and being led moment by moment into the next moment, by the Spirit, means...

Some sin still remains though, And I don't know where to go from here or what to do about it or next, at this point...

Hmm. I am glad that you walk in the Spirit and not fulfilling the lust of the flesh. But I find it is not the case that little to no will or effort is required to surrender to the Spirit. I too, thought and felt the same when I just started following God. Soon I found that Christian life is not a "passive" thing and let God to do all the things, without paying my effort. I started pursuing spiritual goals and seek the Lord for spiritual rewards. It requires me great effort and courage to deny things that I feel comfortable of, to not letting my flesh dominates the Spirit, and to "discipline my body and make it my slave"(1 Corinthians 9:27). To me, it is a constant battle to be fought, so that I do not allow any sin remains in me.

Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

God gives us when we ask and seek and knock. On the contrary, if we do not ask, we will not receive (James 4:2). I belief that you are on the right path, but I would encourage you to actively seek the Lord for the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to do so it requires you to deny the remnant of your "old self".
 
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Hmm. I am glad that you walk in the Spirit and not fulfilling the lust of the flesh. But I find it is not the case that little to no will or effort is required to surrender to the Spirit. I too, thought and felt the same when I just started following God. Soon I found that Christian life is not a "passive" thing and let God to do all the things, without paying my effort. I started pursuing spiritual goals and seek the Lord for spiritual rewards. It requires me great effort and courage to deny things that I feel comfortable of, to not letting my flesh dominates the Spirit, and to "discipline my body and make it my slave"(1 Corinthians 9:27). To me, it is a constant battle to be fought, so that I do not allow any sin remains in me.

Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

God gives us when we ask and seek and knock. On the contrary, if we do not ask, we will not receive (James 4:2). I belief that you are on the right path, but I would encourage you to actively seek the Lord for the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to do so it requires you to deny the remnant of your "old self".
It might have been me, or some of me, at first maybe, maybe, I just don't know for sure...? Cause their is this "other part of me" that said it was all God, and little to none of me, basically, ect, cause God made me the way he made me or predetermined me to be or do or be doing at the time at every step, ect...

God Bless!
 
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It might have been me, or some of me, at first maybe, maybe, I just don't know for sure...? Cause their is this "other part of me" that said it was all God, and little to none of me, basically, ect, cause God made me the way he made me or predetermined me to be or do or be doing at the time at every step, ect...

God Bless!

God does not work out things automatically for us if we do not actively work with Him, for He is our God and not our maid. See 1 Corinthians 3. The devil, however, will make his way clear without any effort from us.

If you never experienced the spiritual battle between the Spirit and the flesh, as described in Galatians 5, I fear that you might have never let the Spirit to declare the war.
 
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If you never experienced the spiritual battle between the Spirit and the flesh, as described in Galatians 5, I fear that you might have never let the Spirit to declare the war.
Oh I have, and I have and do...

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God does not work out things automatically for us if we do not actively work with Him, for He is our God and not our maid. See 1 Corinthians 3. The devil, however, will make his way clear without any effort from us.

I just don't know "who did what", or "how much", ect, sometimes, especially looking at some things in hindsight now, ect... Still not sure now down to this day for sure (yet)...?

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I just don't know "who did what", or "how much", ect, sometimes, especially looking at some things in hindsight now, ect... Still not sure now down to this day for sure (yet)...?

God Bless!

Who did what? Very interesting question. I have been thinking for years on this.

In short, we do not change ourselves, which is the work of the Spirit. What we did, is to constantly deny our flesh, try not letting even a moment that the desire of the flesh ever dominates the Spirit. Listen to the voice of the Spirit and shut down the voice of our flesh, in everything we do in any moment. Seek the Spirit to take control of your mind and actions. It is not easy, and the only person who truly achieved this is Jesus Christ.

How much? With all our hearts. 100% commitment to obey the voice of the Spirit.

May you be filled with the Holy Spirit of God, that the Spirit may work wonders on you.
 
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Who did what? Very interesting question. I have been thinking for years on this.

In short, we do not change ourselves, which is the work of the Spirit. What we did, is to constantly deny our flesh, try not letting even a moment that the desire of the flesh ever dominates the Spirit. Listen to the voice of the Spirit and shut down the voice of our flesh, in everything we do in any moment. Seek the Spirit to take control of your mind and actions. It is not easy, and the only person who truly achieved this is Jesus Christ.

How much? With all our hearts. 100% commitment to obey the voice of the Spirit.

May you be filled with the Holy Spirit of God, that the Spirit may work wonders on you.
What happens to "us"...? I'm afraid of that sometimes, to be honest...

And that also means basically never any care or concern or thought for yourself, ever, no plans ever, no agenda, or pre-planned path or agenda or will of their own or anything, just completely in here and now and present, and never the past or future, ect, one that completely emptied itself of it's own will in order to be always and only led by God's will or the or that (Holy) Spirit's will...

To flow in that Spirit and make it a way of your life, in your life, and living it and walking it out, it would severely or drastically affect and change and alter the way your are living now, and thinking now, ect... Jesus was able to this though...

Some have likened it to surfing and/or riding a wave... And the wave carrying you along ect, maybe pulling you (guiding, directing you) along as you ride the wave (H.S.) with a surfboard (Faith)... And sometimes the purest faith is blind faith, ect, and may be like surfing blindfolded or something...

I've had my moments with Him in that kind of way I think, but it's not constant like Jesus... or perhaps maybe even not as well, or as constant as some of the Apostles either (by any means) but, we did have and have had our moments, and He speaks to and with me sometimes as well...

God Bless!
 
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And that also means basically never any care or concern or thought for yourself, ever, no plans ever, no agenda, or pre-planned path or agenda or will of their own or anything, just completely in here and now and present, and never the past or future, ect, one that completely emptied itself of it's own will in order to be always and only led by God's will or the or that (Holy) Spirit's will...

No, that is not what I mean.

If God tells you to seek for good things and you do not seek, it is of evil.

Isaiah 7:10-13: "Again the LORD spoke to Ahaz, "Ask a sign of the LORD your God; let it be deep as Sheol or high as heaven." But Ahaz said, "I will not ask, and I will not put the LORD to the test." And he said, "Hear then, O house of David! Is it too little for you to weary men, that you weary my God also?"

Now there are many places the Bible that tells us to seek for spiritual things. For example:

2 Peter 1:5-11: "For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

Not caring for your physical needs is correct, but not caring for your spiritual needs is wrong. You must seek spiritual things in action. We do not change ourselves, but we work hard to act in concert with God, so that we may be renewed by Him. Plan ahead and pursue spiritual goal, according to what God puts in your heart and what you see you need the most.

What happens to "us"...? I'm afraid of that sometimes, to be honest...

What is your meaning of "us"?
 
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What is your meaning of "us"?
I meant what happens to our individuality (us) when we are changed, and in a new existence...? Are certain memories wiped out but not others, ect, or some of or some say eventually all memory of who and whatever you formerly were in this world or life, is gone 100% completely, eventually... Long forgotten, never even to be recalled, ever, ever again...

What do we become...? How do we differ...? How are we the same...? How does what we are or were in this life come into play in the next, ect...?

God Bless!
 
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I meant what happens to our individuality (us) when we are changed, and in a new existence...? Are certain memories wiped out but not others, ect, or some of or some say eventually all memory of who and whatever you formerly were in this world or life, is gone 100% completely, eventually... Long forgotten, never even to be recalled, ever, ever again...

What do we become...? How do we differ...? How are we the same...? How does what we are or were in this life come into play in the next, ect...?

God Bless!

Are your memories wiped by God?:fearscream:

No you don't get brainwashed. You are still yourself. But you will be like Christ. Day by day you will look more similar to him. It is YOUR will to follow the will of God, not the will of God makes you acts like a puppet on a string.
 
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