The Rule of faith and practice is not scripture "alone"

swordsman1 · Jan 6, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
"God, ...hath shined in our hearts,"

as clear as day to those who walk in His marvelous light

The verb to shine doesn't necessarily mean the subject of the verb is the source of light. eg. "John shined the light into the room". (John is not the source of light).

The "shined in our hearts" is directly connected to the next clause "TO give the light of the knowledge", making it obvious that the light God shined into our hearts is the light of knowledge of Christ. There is only one light spoken of in this passage, not two. The light of the gospel is the treasure IN earthen vessels, not the light of Christ.

LoveofTruth · Jan 7, 2019

swordsman1 said:
The light of Christ, the light that we walk in, is an external light. We can only walk "in" a light, if it is external to us.

This is most likely one of your most bizzar comments and beliefs.

I have given you many verses showing light inwardly.

here is a basic one I marvel how you can not see these things. But 1 Cor 2 is true so I should not marvel at it.

"God is light" (1 John 1:5 KJV)

with

"God dwelleth in you" (1 Cor 3:16 KJV)

"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light...")2 Cor 4:6 KJV)

and

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."(Philippians 2:13 KJV)

and the serious verse,

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"(2 Corinthians 13:5)

LoveofTruth · Jan 7, 2019

swordsman1 said:
The verb to shine doesn't necessarily mean the subject of the verb is the source of light. eg. "John shined the light into the room". (John is not the source of light).

The "shined in our hearts" is directly connected to the next clause "TO give the light of the knowledge", making it obvious that the light God shined into our hearts is the light of knowledge of Christ. There is only one light spoken of in this passage, not two. The light of the gospel is the treasure IN earthen vessels, not the light of Christ.

wrong as usual in this talk. Your answers are becoming more desperate and strained and very wrong.

I'm beginning to wonder if you are going to say that God who is Light does not dwell in us, or that Jesus Christ who is God does not dwell in us, or that the father and the Holy Ghost do not dwell in us. I am wondering whats next in your denial of the true Light that lights men inwardly.

John was not that Light he bore witness to the light.And light that was in him was of God and when Jesus speaks of men letting their light so shine before men it was to glorify their Father who worked in them and gave them light as scripture shows.

Matthew 5:16
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

God is the one who works in all to make them perfect unto every good work. Clearly this light come s from within and shines outward seen by our good works which are worked in God.Here are a few verses to prove that our good works come from God who is light working IN us.

"20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."(Hebrews 13:20,21 KJV)

Philippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

Jesus said

John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

and where does the Father speak and shine in men? we read a few verses that give clues,

Matthew 10:20
"For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you."

John 6:45
"It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."

and we know that God dwells in believers and works in them (Hebrews 13:20,21 Phil 2:13 etc)

"15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."

also we read of John and the true Light here

"7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."(John 1:7-9 KJV)

John had the Spirit of Christ working in him, God working in him, or he could do no good works and he could not be a prophet unless God worked and speak and shined in his heart.
The Light is Jesus Christ, the Word of God. The true Light (Christ) shines in the hearts of men to at first reprove all sin and make all things manifest. God in us shines, speaks his word, reveals His truth, feeds our inner man etc.

LoveofTruth · Jan 7, 2019

swordsman1 said:
The "shined in our hearts" is directly connected to the next clause "TO give the light of the knowledge", making it obvious that the light God shined into our hearts is the light of knowledge of Christ. There is only one light spoken of in this passage, not two. The light of the gospel is the treasure IN earthen vessels, not the light of Christ.

You are again in error. God himself shines in our hearts. God is Light and the light that shines from him is given in our hearts,This light gives knowledge and understanding and the gospel is also the gospel OF Christ. Christ in you is the hope of glory.

If men say they only believe the work of Jesus Christ on the cross and are not born again and have an inner new man, then they are not in Christ. If they believe unto righteousness with their heart Christ dwells in their heart by faith. This light of the glorious gospel of Christ shines unto them. The substance of things hope for and the evidence of things not seen is in them in faith. Christ in you is the hope of glory. This is the mystery that hath been hid from ages and is still hidden it seems to many today. Spiritual things are only known in the spirit, no matter how some my try to explain them away with intellectual reasoning and interpretation of word meanings .

Jesus spoke spiritual truths deliberately to only give them to those who can see and hear in a different way than the masses in darkness.

LoveofTruth · Jan 7, 2019

swordsman1 said:
The light of Christ, the light that we walk in, is an external light. We can only walk "in" a light, if it is external to us. There are dozens of verses that confirm the light of Christ is external. You have not provided a single one that says it is internal.

John 3:19-21
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved... But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Do you think this light spoken of here is referring to an outward light? Such as the Sun, or Jesus physically walking on the earth. This is not the case. Jesus said "EVERYONE THAT DOETH EVIL" hateth the light. This "EVERYONE" would include all those who are blind and cannot see the outward, and all those since Adam who have done evil. The work of the law is written in the hearts of all and these secret things inwardly is where God desires truth and where God searches the heart.

You are in error here.

swordsman1 said:

John 12:45-47

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swordsman1 said:

I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

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"and their foolish heart was darkened."(Romans 1:21 KJV)

1 John 2:11
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes."

This blindness is not talking about an outward blindness physically, but of his spiritual eyes, Jesus said let the blind lead the blind, he is referring to spiritual blindness and darkness. This hatred comes from within and this is where they are either walking in the light or in darkness

"15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."(1 John 3:15 KJV)

Luke 6:45
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Psalm 44:21
"Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart."

swordsman1 said:
1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

You say this is an outward light? You are wrong again...

the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts and out of the heart the life flows.

Proverbs 4:23
"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life."

Romans 5:5
"And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us."

1 John 2:15
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

LoveofTruth · Jan 7, 2019

swordsman1 said:
It says nothing of the sort. There is no "also". You are adding to scripture. It says:

"Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.".

Paul does connect them with himself and he even uses the word "also"

"3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. 4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"(2 Cor 13:3-5 KJV)

LoveofTruth · Jan 7, 2019

swordsman1 said:
You are plainly wrong. Paul was not speaking about Old Testament times in Romans 10. He uses present and future tenses. He is referring to people in the current dispensation. The "Lord" in Romans 10:13 is referring to the "Lord Jesus" v9.

wrong, he includes all past present and future,

Even in Romans 10 we read of these various times, Notice the references to the past with men like Moses, the prophest , the word close to men in Deuteronomy, Psalm 19 written in the past, etc

"5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, [Dueteronomy quote from Old testament of the past] Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith [OT reference Isaiah 28:16, the name Jesus was not yet known and they could still "believe"], Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: [This would extend far back and far into the future as well. God is over all of all time] for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, [OT quote again]How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? [Ot quote about obeying the gospel]

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.[OT quote in Psalms again]

19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people. [Again Isaiah 65:2 OT words applied then and in the present applications]

LoveofTruth · Jan 7, 2019

swordsman1 said:
"Find him" doesn't mean saved. Paul is talking about finding out that God exists..

You couldn't be more wrong.

"13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. 14 And I will be found of you, saith the Lord: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the Lord; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive."(Jeremiah 23:13,14 KJV)

9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever."(1 Chronicles 28:9 KJV) So the opposite of being cast off is to be found forever.

"6 Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon."(Isaiah 55:6.7 KJV)

"7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."(Matthew 7:7,8 KJV)

2 And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The Lord is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.
3 Now for a long season Israel hath been without the true God, and without a teaching priest, and without law.
4 But when they in their trouble did turn unto the Lord God of Israel, and sought him, he was found of them."(2 Chronicles 15:2-4 KJV)

Isaiah 45:22
"Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."

sounds like salvation to me.

LoveofTruth · Jan 7, 2019

swordsman1 said:
The light of Christ, the light that we walk in, is an external light. We can only walk "in" a light, if it is external to us.

even in the movie the "ten Commandments" they got it somewhat right

loot at 5:29-5:46 of this clip.

"I know that His light is in every man"

swordsman1 · Jan 8, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
Lets look at Colossians 3:15 and 16 again

"15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful."

This exposition of yours is another demonstration of how absurd and perverted your interpretations are.....

LoveofTruth said:
If men come together as "one body" in assemblies and they do not have Gods peace ruling in their hearts they are then in a restless spirit or the flesh and sin.

Here you are again eisegetically reading your own ideas into scripture. "Which also ye are called in one body" is nothing to do with church meetings. There is no mention of "men coming together in assemblies" as you claim. Unquestionably "one body" is a reference to the body of Christ, the universal Church:

1 Cor 12:12-13 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ,

1 Cor 10:16-17 The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body:

LoveofTruth said:
Peace implies silence in his words and believers coming before God in silence and waiting on the Lord for all good things.

It implies nothing of the sort. Having the "peace of God" is nothing to do with being silent and waiting. It says the peace of God is to rule "in your hearts", not in your tongues! To have the peace of God is to experience calmness and tranquility even in a world of turmoil and worry:

Phil 4:6-7 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

The word the KJV has translated 'careful' (merimnaó) means to be anxious. Having the peace of God is to have our hearts and minds guarded from all anxiety. The “peace of God” will thus calm down any agitated element of our hearts. It "rules in our hearts" as a ruler sways and controls the passions of his people.

LoveofTruth said:
they also are to examine themselves in silence in the meetings as we read

1 Corinthians 11:28
"But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup."

and this self examining can be as we gather in ministry and all things as well, for Paul said to the Corinthians

There is nothing whatsoever about waiting in silence in that verse, let alone waiting for a revelation. It is referring to examining yourself before partaking of the Lord's supper so as not to do so unworthily.

LoveofTruth said:
"16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."

Then, after they have examined themselves and come to let Gods peace rule in their heart to dispell the darkness and busy restlessness of their carnal minds can they hope to have any edification for themself or others in Christ . They also will need confession and self examination in this process at times. . Then, when they “let” the peace of God “rule” in thier hearts, they are to be called together in one body. This refers to the assembly of the saints and the way all are to walk in God's order here.

There is no "then" or "after" connecting v15 & v16 as you claim. They are completely separate stand-alone exhortations. Nor is there any mention of "examining yourselves". Nor, as we've seen, is there any mention of assembling together. Yet again you are reading your own words and ideas into scripture.

LoveofTruth said:
Where Jesus Christ is in believers he speaks His word as well. Yes the word can be heard in our spirit and as we also hear from scripture. But the inward work is of God working in us.

As I've previously explained, the 'word of Christ' is not an inner revelation. It is clearly the teachings of Christ as spoken by himself and his spokesmen the Apostles through the scriptures.

Matt 26:27 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 15:35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preachingthe word of the Lord, with many others also.

Acts 16:31-32 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Acts 19:10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

1 Thes 1:6-8 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost...For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.

2 Thes 3:1 - Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:

1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

swordsman1 · Jan 8, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
"God, ...hath shined in our hearts,"

as clear as day to those who walk in His marvelous light

Only when you show the words out of context as you have done here, omitting the rest of the verse where it clearly tells us what the light is:

"to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

swordsman1 · Jan 8, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
I never disdain true teachers who are given as gifts to the church. But teachers also must learn all things by the anointing which teacheth them all things and works in them. They , like all believers must have God working in them to make them perfect working in them that which is well pleasing in His sight through Jesus Christ.

What I warn against is mans order and forms and the very things Jesus Paul, John Peter and others warn about.

"4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words....8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ"(Colossians 2:4,8 KJV)

Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

"26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."(1 Jophn 2:26,27 KJV)

The Holy Spirit would not teach Christian expositors 2 different interpretations of the same passage. Seeing as you teach a different interpretation to all other commentators, then either you or they are teaching falsely and not by "the anointing". After witnessing the fallacies you employ in your expositions, I know who my money would be on.

swordsman1 · Jan 8, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
1 John 1:5. “...God is light,”

As I have already explained, light in that verse is a metaphor for righteousness, as the next verse makes clear.

LoveofTruth said:
Acts 2:3. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”

Fire is not a synonym of light.

swordsman1 · Jan 8, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
1 Corinthians 1:24,30,31 KJV "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God...30. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31. That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.”

That passage doesn't say wisdom is the light of Christ.

swordsman1 · Jan 8, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
We read about the candle and the one who lights the candle. The candle is our spirit or inner man. The Lord lights that candle or He gives us the light of Him the light of life and we are then the children of light. The expression the that the Lord searches our inward parts refers to God working and leading and guiding and discerning all our inward parts as we listen in spirit. We are also told to guard our heart for out of it are the issues of life. It is by the Light of God enlightening us that we can examine ourselves and know our way if we are in God or not.

The source of light is the candle. You admit yourself the candle is not God, but our human spirits. Therefore Proverbs 20:27 is not a verse that says God is light inside us.

Even so, you have still failed to understand the verse. It doesn't say the Lord searches our inward parts, leading and guiding. Read it again, it is the spirit of man, the candle, that searches our inward parts.

Proverbs 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly."

Our spirits are given by God in which he gives us the "breath of life" (Gen 2:7). Therefore our spirits are a "candle of the Lord". It is the God-given conscience within our spirits that searches our inward parts for sin.

1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?

LoveofTruth said:
We come to the light o have our deeds made manifest by the light if they are wrought (laboured, toiled, worked) in God or not as we read in John 3:21 KJV.

"21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."(John 3:21 KJV)

You've disproved your own argument. If we have to come to the light then the light is not in us. The light is external.

LoveofTruth said:
In Christ we are in God and God works through our spirit, we read

Job 29:3 KJV
"When his candle shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness;"

You are getting mixed up. The candle in this verse is not the human spirit. Here it is the light of the Lord, "when by his light". But notice here His light "shined upon" us, and "by his light I walked". Not inside us. The light of the Lord is external.

LoveofTruth said:
Jesus spoke of this candle and light and the light that is IN us as well, He is speaking spiritual truth here using the examples of candles and other means. Those who have ears to hear let them hear.The candle is our spirit lighted by God, the candle stick may refer to our bodies and our outward witness in the earth. By the body full of light, this may refer to our inner man our heavenly body filled with Gods light.

"33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light. 34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness. 35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. 36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light."(Luke 11:33-36 KJV)

You are in error again. The light of the candle here is not our human spirit, it represents our righteous deeds. Read Matthew's account of what Jesus said:

Matt 5:15-16 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

The light that enters and fills our body from the eye in Luke 11:34-36 cannot be the light of Christ. It says this light can be darkness. Jesus is saying what we focus and concentrate on effects the whole of our being. Focus on God's word and other spiritual truths our lives will be fully enlightened. Focus on worldly things instead, you will be filled with darkness.

swordsman1 · Jan 8, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
Part of your problem here is that you do not hear God's voice inwardly (by your own admission) and so you rush off to men and commentaries and your human reasoning to find answers. I am not saying we cannot read and hear from other people. But this is not how all believers are taught in the primary rule ( to find out what the primary rule is read my first post again).

There is no such thing as hearing God's "voice" inwardly. I have shown from numerous verses that God's voice is either his audible voice, or metaphorically it is scripture. Nowhere does it say God's voice is an inner feeling.

God has given the church people with the gift of teaching to help us understand his word. If you rely on your inner feelings, hunches, or your own ideas and judgement you will invariably arrive at the wrong interpretations, as we can see from the numerous errors you have made in this thread alone.

LoveofTruth said:
And in doing this you have "respect" for men. This is sin as scripture shows.

Your correction...

James 2:1
"My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons."

James 2:1
"9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors."

Romans 2:11
"For there is no respect of persons with God."

You have made another blunder. "Respect" here means to show partiality. You are getting confused by the old KJV terminology. It is not respect as we use the word today - to have high regard for someone or something.

STRONGS NT 4382: προσωποληψία
προσωποληψία (L T Tr WH προσωπολημψία (see Mu)), προσωποληψιας, ἡ (a Hellenistic formation; (see προσωπολήπτης)), respect of persons(Vulg.personarum acceptio), partiality, the fault of one who when called on to requite or to give judgment has respect to the outward circumstances of men and not to their intrinsic merits, and so prefers, as the more worthy, one who is rich, high-born, or powerful, to another who is destitute of such gifts: Romans 2:11; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 3:25; plural (which relates to the various occasions and instances in which this fault shows itself (cf. Winers Grammar, 176 (166); Buttmann, § 123, 2, 2)), James 2:1. (Ecclesiastical writings.)

In any case it is not the teachers we esteem, it is their teaching. Determining the correct interpretation of scripture with help from respected theologians with an established track record of sound biblical exegesis is not a sin. It is rightly dividing the word of truth.

LoveofTruth · Jan 8, 2019

swordsman1 said:
Only when you show the words out of context as you have done here, omitting the rest of the verse where it clearly tells us what the light is:

"to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

Wrong again an a horrible interpretation and scriptural expounding.

God shines in our hearts he gives His light of the good news of Christ to our hearts. Christ in you the hope of glory and the glory in us will one day be revealed.

And we read of the light of the good news of Christ shining inwardly in thier hearts. God is Light and God dwells in us as scripture clearly shows.

LoveofTruth · Jan 8, 2019

swordsman1 said:
That passage doesn't say wisdom is the light of Christ.

Yes it does Read it again maybe 100 times in prayer.

And when God dwells in the hearts of believers all his power might word life wisdom shines in us and works in us.

I keep wondering if you are going to say that God is not really in believers. Just waiting for that one.

You wrest understanding and even logic.

If God is Light and God is in believers then believers have the light of God in them. Christ Jesus is in us and made unto us wisdom and power.

If in Christ Jesus is the wisdom and power of God and if all believers have Christ in them the hope of glory. Then they have wisdom and power in Christ as well. The God of peace works in us to make us perfect.

The wisdom Paul spoke was the wisdom of God. There are aspects OF God in scripture. The love of God and God is love the word of God and the Word is God, the Light of God and a God is Light the righteousness of God and God is righteous, the life of God and God is life etc.

And God dwells in all believers.

swordsman1 · Jan 8, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
While we can agree that men like Paul and Peter and John and others were given specific ministries to write scripture and not all were given such a ministry, even the other apostles, this by no means sows that others could not have the word of God in them and that the word of God could not come out of them also.

Apart from apostles, the only other people that God spoke through were prophets.

LoveofTruth said:
And when Paul talked of Christ speaking in him which in them was mighty, he is referring to Jesus Christ in them vs 13:5.

Remember that Paul is addressing the church in Corinth. The "you" here is the church as a whole, not you the individual. "You" (ὑμῖν) is plural. Paul was referring to the demonstrations of mighty power Christ had performed in the Corinthians. Dunateó is the verb form of dunamis, the power to perform miracles (1 Cor 12:10), one of the many spiritual gifts which the Corinthians were well endowed. It has absolutely nothing to do with Christ speaking in the individual believer. This is another of your many errors.

LoveofTruth said:
Do you suppose that if Jesus Christ is in believers that he does not speak to them? If they pray and he hears do not all believers expect an answer from him Jesus he speaks in all believers. Jesus said my sheep hear my voice. They hear in their hearts. Paul hear in his heart as well.

It is the Holy Spirit who dwells in believers, not the 2nd person of the Trinity. He doesn't speak to believers by inner feelings in the heart. Nowhere in scripture does it say that. The "voice" in "my sheep hear my voice" hear is Jesus' teaching in scripture, as I have repeatedly shown from numerous verses.

LoveofTruth said:
We see that they did have the word of God come out from them as well in scripture. And in this passage Paul is implying that other churches also had the word of God come out from them

"36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?"(1 Cor 14:36 KJV)

Wrong again.

The answer to the rhetorical questions that Paul asked the Corinthians is No.

Did the gospel originate from you? No, it originated from Paul.
Are you the only church to receive the gospel? No, there were others.

Paul was knocking them back a notch or two after their over-estimation of themselves and that they couldn't take the law into their own hands with regard to their abuses.

LoveofTruth said:
They also spoke forth Gods word in prophecy and through apostles and prophets and teachers and evangelist and pastors.

"29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

Only apostles and prophets spoke new revelations. They were the foundation of the church (Eph 2:20) before the canon was completed.

swordsman1 · Jan 8, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
Paul didn't say that Christ speaking in him was evidence of His apostleship specifically. He said that for them or him to know that Jesus Christ was in them, was evidence that they are in the faith and not reprobates,

"5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates."(2 Cor 13:5 KJV)

Paul even says "not that we should appear approved"

"7 Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates."(2 Cor 13:5 KJV)

the evidence of Paul's apostleship is in other places, He says

"2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord."(1 Cor 9:2 KJV)

The Corinthians were seeking proof that Christ was speaking in Paul. It says so plainly.

2 Cor 13:3 "Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you."

The miraculous powers that Christ had worked in the Corinthians following their conversion at Paul's words was evidence that God spoke through Paul and that he was a bona fide apostle. As this verse and the next makes clear.

It says nothing about Christ speaking in the Corinthians via their feelings.

The Rule of faith and practice is not scripture "alone"

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