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I guess the words of the Lord in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26 are not enough for you and what I explained in post #177 in regards to Mark 16:16 and Matthew 28:19 apparently just went right over your head. Baptism "associated" with conversion doesn't necessarily mean absolutely required for conversion. Just ask the thief on the cross.
Baptism is not what saved Paul or the 3,000 on the day of Pentecost. Paul mentioned nothing about salvation through faith and baptism in Ephesians 2:8,9 or justification by faith and baptism in Romans 5:1. In Acts 15:9, we read that hearts are purified by faith, not by baptism. In Acts 26:18, we read - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
Water baptism saved none of these people. Apostles were present when the Samaritans (chapter 8) were included and the reason for the delay in receiving the Holy Spirit, which was received after the laying on of hands was to emphasize unity in the church. The Jews despised the Samaritans. Exception, not the rule. Simon the Sorcerer was not saved. In Acts 8:20, Peter said - May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. Does that sound like "saved" to you? Cornelius and his household believed/received the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (along with receiving the spiritual gift of tongues which is only for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were clearly saved BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47). Salvation by water baptism is not the Way more accurately and believers are Spirit baptized (not water baptized) into the body of Christ (Acts 11:16-17; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:13). In Acts 19:2, Paul asked them if they had received the Holy Spirit when they believed and their answer in verse 3 reveals that they were not yet believers. They had received the baptism of John but did not realize that Jesus Christ was the One to whom John's baptism pointed. Paul gave them instructions about Jesus and after they believed Paul's presentation of the gospel and came to saving faith, they were then afterwards baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Paul laid hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit (which was not the case in Acts 2 and Acts 10). It did signify their inclusion into the church as it did in Acts chapter 8. Exception, not the rule. God's purpose was to emphasize unity in the church.
Salvation by water baptism is not the gospel, but is a "different" gospel. The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To believe the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, which apparently you choose to deny. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works (including water baptism) to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.
What doesn't add up is your perverted water gospel. Be sure to go back and read post #177. I thoroughly refuted your fallacy there. Peter certainly meant it when he said ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins in Acts 10:43. The only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
*If water baptism was absolutely required for salvation, then God would not make so many statements in which He promises eternal life/salvation to those who simply BELIEVE/PLACE FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST FOR SALVATION (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 11:17; 13:39; 15:9; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5-6; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-8; Ephesians 2:8; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..).
Just as I did.
I agree if a man in the middle of the desert has a true repentance to God and dies of dehydration because there is no water I don’t believe he will be condemned to the lake of fire simply because of a technicality of not being baptized in water. Cornelius and his family received the Holy Spirit before they were baptized. It is the baptism of the Spirit which saves. Baptism of water is an outward sign of being baptized in the Spirit.
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