Should women be allowed to drive

Should women be allowed to drive

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  • No

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Okay, now you're just trolling, right? You can't possibly think that the author of Leviticus was talking about auto insurance, or that actuarial statisticians care two cents about laws governing vows in ancient Israel.
Well, obviously, the author of Leviticus wasn't speaking of auto-insurance, but doesn't this passage easily explain why women, 'though worse drivers than men, can obtain cheaper auto-insurance?

It also reinforces the point that women should not be allowed to drive, as it would seem somewhat sexist to pay out less for an automobile casualty just because she is a female, don't you think?
 
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Getting off topic here. You're welcome to your opinion. But just the opposite will occur. Islamic countries will become less authoritarian and more like liberal Western nations. We're starting to see liberalization in the former Eastern Bloc countries of the old USSR days. They're already adopting less repressive governments. It takes time to fully develop. It took until the 20th century for the West to begin breaking the hold of Christian doctrine on their societies. That's a good 1800 years or so. Islam is only 1400 or so years old. It will eventually have its own Enlightenment when Muslims begin questioning traditional religious values. They will realize that a truly preeminent society is characterized by democratic government, personal liberty, and freedom of belief. This will happen sooner because electronic communications spreads such ideas much more rapidly. The liberal West won't fall to Islam. Islam will become more Westernized. It will definitely happen before the year 2200. It's absolutely inevitable.

We should get back to discussing driving.
Meh. The Muslim civilisation will also fail, then. And the world then will be taken over by an even greater empire which prohibits women from driving. Chinese, maybe? Although I don't approve their methods, as they prevent females even being born. :(
 
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Well, obviously, the author of Leviticus wasn't speaking of auto-insurance, but doesn't this passage easily explain why women, 'though worse drivers than men, can obtain cheaper auto-insurance?

It also reinforces the point that women should not be allowed to drive, as it would seem somewhat sexist to pay out less for an automobile casualty just because she is a female, don't you think?
Well, I'm sure you know the answer but revel in being misogynist - which is rather infantile on a site such as this....Still I shall indulge you:

Insurance companies apply policy premiums according to risk. There have been literally scores of research pieces done on driver quality, and men are shown to drive more unsafely, have a higher frequency of traffic infringements, road rage, and traffic accidents and also make a higher number of insurance claims. I have already shown you several research pieces but doubt you read them as you prefer to ignore facts so you can sprout your rubbish.

Its like health insurance - if you smoke you pay a higher premium.
If you are in a country that exerts higher premiums on men, its because men pose a higher risk. In other words - insurance companies would prefer the woman to drive because they recognize that men in your country must drive like idiots.
 
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Well, obviously, the author of Leviticus wasn't speaking of auto-insurance, but doesn't this passage easily explain why women, 'though worse drivers than men, can obtain cheaper auto-insurance?

It also reinforces the point that women should not be allowed to drive, as it would seem somewhat sexist to pay out less for an automobile casualty just because she is a female, don't you think?
Zoii is correct. Just to clarify: we're not talking about the insurance company paying out less to drivers; we're talking about the premiums that the driver has to pay to the insurance company. Insurance companies set their premiums based on the statistical safety of various groups of drivers, based on age, gender, and an assortment of other factors. The statisticians who work for the insurance companies care only about the numbers, nothing else. The companies set their premiums higher for drivers in statistically less safe groups, and set them lower for drivers in statistically safer groups.
 
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I haven't had a chance to read the thread yet, and I don't know if I will bother or not because I've seen excepts and they are pretty awful, but this question is just as utterly stupid, hateful, and offensive as asking, "Should Muslims be allowed to drive?" I don't even know why this thread is allowed on this forum any more than the above should be allowed. It's just blatant bigotry and not something that Christians, or really any human being with any moral integrity, would even ask.
No no no.

There's plenty of other instances of blatantly unequal treatment of women that are sanctioned or even required by various Christian denominations. This site explicitly allows for the discussion and positive presentation of those doctrines.
 
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No no no.

There's plenty of other instances of blatantly unequal treatment of women that are sanctioned or even required by various Christian denominations. This site explicitly allows for the discussion and positive presentation of those doctrines.

There is no such thing as a positive presentation of bigotry and Christian groups that promote, encourage, and especially sanction it are indeed lacking in moral integrity just the same as when they were promoting, encouraging and sanctioning their justifications of black slavery.
 
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Well it really does have validity because I am asking what are the opinions of christian countries. I guess we are both living in 2 different cultures because in the country I am residing in women were not allowed to drive until a year ago so for me this isnt "barbaric and etc" this is just me asking a question and wanting opinions, and we are a very civilised society and saudi arabias closest european ally is england, your society. Not so loggish now am I
Christian countries?

I doubt whether there would be a western country that would be called a Christian country in this modern era.

I would label the west as secular and by a great margin. There may be pockets of Christianity in these western nations, but overall, very few in each nation would believe in Jesus Christ.
 
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You and I agree. But others dont, and the rules let them have their say here.

So are you going to be so adamantly supportive when someone makes a thread with the title, "Black people shouldn't be allowed to drive" because there exist various Christian hate groups who believe that black people lack ability and intellect due to God's curse on the line of Ham in the book of Genesis?

If you disagree, why feel the need to so strongly support it vs. suppressing the rightful outrage of the actual people who are being harmed and threatened daily by these types of bigoted statements and mindsets?
 
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So are you going to be so adamantly supportive when someone makes a thread with the title, "Black people shouldn't be allowed to drive" because there exist various Christian hate groups who believe that black people lack ability and intellect due to God's curse on the line of Ham in the book of Genesis?

If you disagree, why feel the need to so strongly support it vs. suppressing the rightful outrage of the actual people who are being harmed and threatened daily by these types of bigoted statements and mindsets?
Well I did express my outrage earlier in the thread.

But as for the lower status of women among mainstream Christians, its not just hate groups. You have to look no further than any church that bars them from priesthood.

How different is off limits priesthood from off limits driving, in terms of fundamental attitude?
 
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Well I did express my outrage earlier in the thread.

But as for the lower status of women among mainstream Christians, its not just hate groups. You have to look no further than any church that bars them from priesthood.

How different is off limits priesthood from off limits driving, in terms of fundamental attitude?

I don't personally see a difference, and feel that in the future, many of these groups may look back on their history and see it as yet another dark and evil stain on their respective denominations, just the same as when they supported black slavery or segregation and mis-used scripture to justify it.

However, it doesn't mean that we need to suppress and reprimand people who are rightfully calling out the bigotry, even if there is currently a "law" in favor of it. Let them defend it themselves rather than trying to do the job for them.

And if we're not going to allow bigoted posts like, "Blacks shouldn't be allowed to drive" then posts like "Women shouldn't be allowed to drive" shouldn't treated any differently, and certainly not defended in any case.
 
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I don't personally see a difference, and feel that in the future, many of these groups may look back on their history and see it as yet another dark and evil stain on their respective denominations, just the same as when they supported black slavery or segregation and mis-used scripture to justify it.

However, it doesn't mean that we need to suppress and reprimand people who are rightfully calling out the bigotry, even if there is currently a "law" in favor of it. Let them defend it themselves rather than trying to do the job for them.

And if we're not going to allow bigoted posts like, "Blacks shouldn't be allowed to drive" then posts like "Women shouldn't be allowed to drive" shouldn't treated any differently, and certainly not defended in any case.
Oh I actually agree with you... But I know the rules around here are kind of a big deal.
 
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In my country women are allowed to drive, I am a very devout halal/kosher sunni muslim but quite honestly we have less accidents with where im living in saudi arabia when women could not drive and there are a lot of accidents in america with a higher percentage of them being women. So why let them drive the men are the ones in cahrge of the family and are statistically less prone to accidents. I was wondering what you westerners opinions are. Also we dont have asians driving :tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:.

Allahu Akbar/god is great

There is no reason why women shouldn't be allowed to do the same things as men.
 
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Why does Judaism get all these racial protections but Islam doesn't?

I'm guessing due to the jewish tradition of "inbreed" that's been going on for a very long time already. So long, that jewish has become some form of ethnicity.

Did you know for example that there are several genetic deseases that only occur in jewish bloodlines? It's the result of generations of breeding with first and second cousins.
 
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Did you know for example that there are several genetic deseases that only occur in jewish bloodlines? It's the result of generations of breeding with first and second cousins.

I have not heard of that, and am not convinced that a "Jewish bloodline" exists, any more than an "Islamic bloodline". People of the same religion tend to intermarry--that's all you're going to get.

I have heard, however--and this is beyond the scope of this discussion--that Israel has been researching a form of genetic bioterrorism wherein they produce spectral SARS-like viruses, which produce markedly worse symptoms for those with Arab genes. Which you'd think would be doomed to failure from the start if there was truly a "Jewish bloodline" at all. Such a bloodline would have the same Semitic footprint as the Arabs.
 
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I have not heard of that, and am not convinced that a "Jewish bloodline" exists, any more than an "Islamic bloodline". People of the same religion tend to intermarry--that's all you're going to get.
From myjewishlearning.com: "Certain diseases are believed to be more common among Jews because of the so-called founder effect, in which genetic diversity is reduced when a population descends from a small number of common ancestors. Moreover, since Jews historically have tended to marry only Jews, those mutations weren’t passed along to other groups, and they weren’t lessened by the introduction of new genes."

See Diseases | Jewish Genetic Disease Consortium, https://www.gaucherdisease.org/about-gaucher-disease/jewish-genetic-diseases/, and What Are Jewish Genetic Diseases? | My Jewish Learning for discussions of some of the genetic diseases that occur more often in the Jewish community than in the population at large.

While it is possible to convert to Judaism, most Jews are descendants of the people of ancient Israel/Palestine, so there is also an ethnic component in Judaism.

By contrast, Islam (like Christianity) sees itself as a religion for the whole world, and Muslims (like Christians) represent a wide variety of ethnicities.
 
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I see Judaism as a religion. But there is an ethnic component, also. As I recall, most American Jews are of either Ashkenazi (central and eastern European) or Sephardic (southern European/Iberian) ethnicity. But I believe about half of Jews in the US now marry non-Jews. So if this trend continues (and there's no reason why it wouldn't) in a few centuries there may be very few ethnically "pure" Jews left in this country. My sister married a Jewish guy. They've split up, but my niece considers herself Jewish. She's not at all observant. AFAIK, she never goes to synagogue, and she eats whatever she likes. I guess with her it's just a family heritage thing. But that's true of most Jewish people I know. They are generally very secularized.
 
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