How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

mmksparbud said:

Yes--I acknowledged that and that doesn't change the meaning of any of it at all. And it doesn't say ARM as you say--it says HAND. But--as you see--it is a simple mistake that anyone can make! Doesn't change the meaning.

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Correct, my apologies. HAND is correct.

But that is a far cry from believing that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast.

mmksparbud said:

The Sabbath was made for man--not for God--God doesn't need the rest. There is no confusion and even when it was repeated on Mt Sinai--God said --Remember--they had been in Egypt for over 400 years and needed to be reminded of many things. The Sabbath was already in affect before Mt Sinai as the manna came before the mount and it was withheld every Sabbath. The Sabbath is no more strictly for the Jew than any of the other 10--did the commands to not murder apply only to the Jew--how about adultery--only to the Jew? Stealing--only to the Jew? Not taking His name in vain--Only to the Jew?? God said in Exodus again that the Sabbath was in commemoration of His creation.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

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That is all correct. But we do not live 4000 years ago under the Law.

The Law can not be kept!

The Law did not save because the Law was never given to save.

Keeping the Sabbath will not save us, being circumsized will not save us, not eating pork will not save us.

Jesus Rose from the dead on the 3rd day......SUNDAY to save us my friend.

We are NOT saved by Law keeping but only by Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Does that then mean we are to discard all of God's laws. NO!

It just means that we are not condeemed by that thing which we cannot do.

klutedavid said:

When you read the New Testament you may not notice a transition. The Gospel at first is thoroughly Jewish, the early believers met at the temple in Jerusalem. As time goes by the believers met in houses and not at the temple.

Then the Gospel goes to the Gentiles many years after Pentecost. This created some confusion of course among the Jewish believers.

What are the legal requirements for the Gentiles? Are Gentiles under the written law?

If you read Acts 15 carefully, we see that this issue was dealt with. Avoid sexual immorality and do not offend the Jews with your dietary habits.

If Acts 15 had said, the Gentiles must obey the law, then you would have a valid argument.

Gentiles were never told they were under the law, in fact, Gentiles are told numerous times that they are not under the law.

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Of course the Gentiles are not under the law--no one is, including the Jewish converts---that was plain as Jesus at the cross made all the sacrificial sacrifices no longer necessary as He is both the Sacrificial Lamb and our High Priest. All the priestly laws were done away with. Circumcision was never a apart of the 10 commandments. Hebrew's is pretty clear about Jesus now is our High Priest and those laws are no longer binding as He is the fulfillment of them.

Your so confused.

The Sabbath was made for man--not for God--God doesn't need the rest. There is no confusion and even when it was repeated on Mt Sinai

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The text in Genesis is not written law! There is no repetition of a law, your saying that in Genesis there existed a written Sabbath law. That is not correct, God rested on the seventh day, and no legal instruction for anyone to rest.

Your confusing written law with general moral law. They are not the same entities.

You cannot accuse a Gentile of idolatry, when a Gentile did not know the God of Exodus. The only people under the law were the people that God led out of Egypt. Your trying to tell me that the Egyptians were under the law?

Major1 said:

That is all correct. But we do not live 4000 years ago under the Law.

The Law can not be kept!

The Law did not save because the Law was never given to save.

Keeping the Sabbath will not save us, being circumsized will not save us, not eating pork will not save us.

Jesus Rose from the dead on the 3rd day......SUNDAY to save us my friend.

We are NOT saved by Law keeping but only by Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Does that then mean we are to discard all of God's laws. NO!

It just means that we are not condeemed by that thing which we cannot do.

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God clearly says with Him all things are possible. When we have Jesus in our hearts He changes our hearts and that changes us into a reflection of the very character of God--which is what the 10 are--a reflection of the love of God. It was all the ceremonials law that were impossible to be kept. Jesus told the woman who committed adultery---"Go--and SIN NO MORE." He didn't say go and try not to sin or go and don't worry about not sinning, He didn't even say go and don't commit adultery again--He said Go and sin no more.
Heb_7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

1Jn_3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn_2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Mar_10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

mmksparbud said:

Of course the Gentiles are not under the law--no one is, including the Jewish converts---that was plain as Jesus at the cross made all the sacrificial sacrifices no longer necessary as He is both the Sacrificial Lamb and our High Priest. All the priestly laws were done away with. Circumcision was never a apart of the 10 commandments. Hebrew's is pretty clear about Jesus now is our High Priest and those laws are no longer binding as He is the fulfillment of them.

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Here is an example of your reading of the scripture. The Hebrew text was written to the Jews and not to a Gentile audience.

Jesus is not a high priest for a Gentile, only a Jew could have a high priest. The context of Hebrews will not allow you to extend the Jewish law onto Gentiles.

Circumcision was introduced to Abraham and is required in the law of Mt Sinai. A Jew will be circumcised and there never was any question about that. Gentiles not being under the law were never required to circumcised.

More importantly, not one letter of the law will fail unless all has been accomplished by Jesus.

Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

If the letter of the law regarding circumcision has passed, then the law itself is redundant. Because not one letter of the law can fall, unless all the law has fallen.

klutedavid said:

Your so confused.

The text in Genesis is not written law! There is no repetition of a law, your saying that in Genesis there existed a written Sabbath law. That is not correct, God rested on the seventh day, and no legal instruction for anyone to rest.

Your confusing written law with general moral law. They are not the same entities.

You cannot accuse a Gentile of idolatry, when a Gentile did not know the God of Exodus. The only people under the law were the people that God led out of Egypt. Your trying to tell me that the Egyptians were under the law?

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Again--the Sabbath was made for man not for God! It was created by Jesus Himself as

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

I never said anything about a written law--the whole human race from the beginning were an oral people.

Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

You can only be accused of sin when you know it is sin. Adam and Eve were told to not eat of the tree--so they knew not to. Just what do you think it means to make something blessed and sanctified?
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
And He again repeated the reason for the Sabbath at Mt Sinai and Jesus said it was made for man, not for the Jew.

klutedavid said:

Here is an example of your reading of the scripture. The Hebrew text was written to the Jews and not to a Gentile audience.

Jesus is not a high priest for a Gentile, only a Jew could have a high priest. The context of Hebrews will not allow you to extend the Jewish law onto Gentiles.

Circumcision was introduced to Abraham and is required in the law of Mt Sinai. A Jew will be circumcised and there never was any question about that. Gentiles not being under the law were never required to circumcised.

More importantly, not one letter of the law will fail unless all has been accomplished by Jesus.

Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

If the letter of the law regarding circumcision has passed, then the law itself is redundant. Because not one letter of the law can fall, unless all the law has fallen.

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And that is where you are hung up. The process of salvation was the same for the gentile that accepted God and came into the Jewish camp. Jesus did not die for just the Jew or you would be out of luck. The NT is not written just to the Jew--it is to all who come to Jesus which means Jesus is their High Priest. It is Jesus as Priest that applies His blood to cover our sins. We are grafted into the branch. Jesus did not teach a whole new religion, He brought everyone back to the original way of God.


Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom_2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom_2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom_2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Major1 said:

That is all correct. But we do not live 4000 years ago under the Law.

The Law can not be kept!

The Law did not save because the Law was never given to save.

Keeping the Sabbath will not save us, being circumsized will not save us, not eating pork will not save us.

Jesus Rose from the dead on the 3rd day......SUNDAY to save us my friend.

We are NOT saved by Law keeping but only by Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Does that then mean we are to discard all of God's laws. NO!

It just means that we are not condeemed by that thing which we cannot do.

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Nothing we do can save us--we are saved by grace---
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

EJ M said:

So much controversy about Sabbath keeping, so please explain;

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Sabbath KEEPING -
Is 58:13 do not engage in any secular activity
Ex 20:8-11 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" a day of rest not secular work.
Ex 16 "Tomorrow is the Sabbath" -- the very day.
Lev 23;1-3 a day of "Solemn assembly" and "holy Convocation".
Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.
Lev 23 "from evening to evening shall you celebrate the Sabbath"

Isaiah 56:6-7 gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping
Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" where those commandments are the ones where "the fifth commandment is first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Please quote chapter and verse in the answer.

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Major1 said:

God bless you !

It actually does not matter what anyone of the SDA's say here, the bottom line to their denominational choice .

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I am going to stick with the Bible on this one... no matter the lack of interest in the texts that we find in some posts.

EJ M said:

So much controversy about Sabbath keeping, so please explain;

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Sabbath KEEPING -
Is 58:13 do not engage in any secular activity
Ex 20:8-11 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" a day of rest not secular work.
Ex 16 "Tomorrow is the Sabbath" -- the very day.
Lev 23;1-3 a day of "Solemn assembly" and "holy Convocation".
Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.
Lev 23 "from evening to evening shall you celebrate the Sabbath"

Isaiah 56:6-7 gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping
Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" where those commandments are the ones where "the fifth commandment is first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Please quote chapter and verse in the answer.

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Done.

klutedavid said:

You seem confused.
The Jewish Sabbath is a day of rest, it is not identified in the scripture as a day of worship.

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Until you read the actual Bible

EJ M said:

So much controversy about Sabbath keeping, so please explain;

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Sabbath KEEPING -
Is 58:13 do not engage in any secular activity
Ex 20:8-11 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" a day of rest not secular work.
Ex 16 "Tomorrow is the Sabbath" -- the very day.
Lev 23;1-3 a day of "Solemn assembly" and "holy Convocation".
Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.
Lev 23 "from evening to evening shall you celebrate the Sabbath"

Isaiah 56:6-7 gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping
Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" where those commandments are the ones where "the fifth commandment is first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Please quote chapter and verse in the answer.

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Done.

Major1 said:

It is sad to me to see so many people led astray and confused about such simple things.

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Creative writing not withstanding - I am sticking with the Bible

klutedavid said:

Here is an example of your reading of the scripture. The Hebrew text was written to the Jews and not to a Gentile audience. .

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until you read the actual NT text to see how often the Hebrew text is quoted for gentiles - hint Eph 6:2

BobRyan said:

until you read the actual NT text to see how often the Hebrew text is quoted for gentiles - hint Eph 6:2

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I was referring to the letter to the Hebrews!

klutedavid said: ↑
Here is an example of your reading of the scripture. The Hebrew text was written to the Jews and not to a Gentile audience. .

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klutedavid said:

I was referring to the letter to the Hebrews!

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So the NT text of Hebrews is truth or error in your view?

It says that Jesus is our High Priest in heaven making intercession for us... is that error? or "intercession for just Jews"? in your view.

Acts 1 and 2... Pentecost etc... to a Jewish audience.. should gentiles snip that out of their Bibles?

Acts 15 - the Jerusalem council - an appeal to Jewish Christian leaders of the entire Christian church, to settle the matter for the entire Christian church -- we should snip that chapter out as well?

What exactly is your point?

Why in your view is Paul quoting Hebrew text (OT written to Jews) to Christians in Eph 6:2?

Why is Paul still upholding Hebrew text in 2 Tim 3:16 (OT written to Jews) - as that which is still to be used for doctrine and correction for the entire Christian church -- in your POV?

mmksparbud said:

Nothing we do can save us--we are saved by grace---
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

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The law does not save us, faith does.
Faith does not make the law invalid. We obey the law because of our faith.

TRYING to obey the law is a by-product of being saved by grace.

NO ONE I know has ever said that because we are saved we can throw away the Laws of God and sin, and sin and sin.

That is just silly. We try to keep the Law because WE ARE SAVED but BECAUSE WE ARE SINNERS BY NATURE, WE CAN NOT KEEP THE LAW!!!!!

BobRyan said:

until you read the actual NT text to see how often the Hebrew text is quoted for gentiles - hint Eph 6:2

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Ephesians 6:2 is a referrance to Exodus 20, not Hebrews.

Hebrews was written to Christian Jews who wanted to return to Law keeping.

BobRyan said:

Sabbath KEEPING -
Is 58:13 do not engage in any secular activity
Ex 20:8-11 "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" a day of rest not secular work.
Ex 16 "Tomorrow is the Sabbath" -- the very day.
Lev 23;1-3 a day of "Solemn assembly" and "holy Convocation".
Is 66:23 "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.
Lev 23 "from evening to evening shall you celebrate the Sabbath"

Isaiah 56:6-7 gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping
Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" where those commandments are the ones where "the fifth commandment is first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2




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Creative writing not withstanding - I am sticking with the Bible

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You said...……..
"Creative writing not withstanding - I am sticking with the Bible ".

PRAISE THE LORD. Now when is that actually going to begin?????????


You as an Adventists seem totally unaware that yopur founder, made a trip to heaven, and only then, did she learn that the Sabbath was not abolished. (In spite of what Col 2:14-16 says!) In fact Adventists must swear to accept Ellen White as an inspired prophet at their baptism or they can't even become a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church! Further, Adventists actually borrowed the practice of Sabbath keeping from the Seventh-day Baptists. Only then did Ellen White get her inspired vision!

So you see, no matter what the Bibles about the Sabbath being nailed to the cross, Adventists won't believe what the Bible says if it contradicts their inspired prophet Ellen G. White. Ellen G. White was a false prophet: Colossians 2:18 "Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by... taking his (her) stand on visions he (she) has seen inflated without cause by his (Ellen White's) fleshly mind".

Ellen G. White recorded under "inspiration" what she saw in heaven...…..
"In the ark was the golden pot of manna, Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of stone, which folded together like a book. Jesus opened them, and I saw the Ten Commandments written on them with the finger of God. On one table were Four and on the other six. The four on the first table shone brighter than the other six. But the fourth, the Sabbath commandment, shone above them all; for the Sabbath was set apart to be kept in honor of God's holy name. The holy Sabbath looked glorious a halo of glory was all around it. I SAW THAT THE SABBATH COMMANDMENT WAS NOT NAILED TO THE CROSS. If it was, the other nine commandments were; and we are at liberty to break them all as well as to break the fourth. I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for he never changes. But the pope had changed it from the seventh day to the first day of the week; for he was to change times and laws."

Source: ("Early Writings of Ellen G. White," page 33.) Again on page 65 of the same book Mrs. White says, "The pope has changed the day of rest from the seventh to the first day."

Major1 said:

The law does not save us, faith does.
Faith does not make the law invalid. We obey the law because of our faith.

TRYING to obey the law is a by-product of being saved by grace.

NO ONE I know has ever said that because we are saved we can throw away the Laws of God and sin, and sin and sin.

That is just silly. We try to keep the Law because WE ARE SAVED but BECAUSE WE ARE SINNERS BY NATURE, WE CAN NOT KEEP THE LAW!!!!!

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Major1 said:

You said...……..
"Creative writing not withstanding - I am sticking with the Bible ".

PRAISE THE LORD. Now when is that actually going to begin?????????


You as an Adventists seem totally unaware that yopur founder, made a trip to heaven, and only then, did she learn that the Sabbath was not abolished. (In spite of what Col 2:14-16 says!) In fact Adventists must swear to accept Ellen White as an inspired prophet at their baptism or they can't even become a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church! Further, Adventists actually borrowed the practice of Sabbath keeping from the Seventh-day Baptists. Only then did Ellen White get her inspired vision!

So you see, no matter what the Bibles about the Sabbath being nailed to the cross, Adventists won't believe what the Bible says if it contradicts their inspired prophet Ellen G. White. Ellen G. White was a false prophet: Colossians 2:18 "Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by... taking his (her) stand on visions he (she) has seen inflated without cause by his (Ellen White's) fleshly mind".

Ellen G. White recorded under "inspiration" what she saw in heaven...…..
"In the ark was the golden pot of manna, Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of stone, which folded together like a book. Jesus opened them, and I saw the Ten Commandments written on them with the finger of God. On one table were Four and on the other six. The four on the first table shone brighter than the other six. But the fourth, the Sabbath commandment, shone above them all; for the Sabbath was set apart to be kept in honor of God's holy name. The holy Sabbath looked glorious a halo of glory was all around it. I SAW THAT THE SABBATH COMMANDMENT WAS NOT NAILED TO THE CROSS. If it was, the other nine commandments were; and we are at liberty to break them all as well as to break the fourth. I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for he never changes. But the pope had changed it from the seventh day to the first day of the week; for he was to change times and laws."

Source: ("Early Writings of Ellen G. White," page 33.) Again on page 65 of the same book Mrs. White says, "The pope has changed the day of rest from the seventh to the first day."

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We were not the first to keep the 7th day Sabbath.
She wasn't even aware of the Sabbath until a woman of another faith, Rachel Oaks-- a 7th day Baptist---Told her about it. She then did some research on it and it was only after she was convinced about it that she had her vision. Contrary to popular believe, she did not have the visions first, then we blindly followed. Esp. at the very beginning, when the founding fathers got together to study the bible, they made notes on what they studied and prayed about their conclusions and then she would have visions that confirmed or denied those believes. She was not alone when she had this one--

"Last Sabbath we met with the dear brethren and sisters here, who meet at Bro. Howland’s. {WLF 18.1}"
Jesus opened them, and I saw the ten commandments written on them with the finger of God. [Exodus 31:18.] On one table was four, and on the other six. The four on the first table shone brighter than the other six. But the fourth (the Sabbath commandment,) shone above them all; for the Sabbath was set apart to be kept in honor of God’s holy name. [Isaiah 58:13, 14.] The holy Sabbath looked glorious—a halo of glory was all around it. I saw that the Sabbath was not nailed to the cross. If it was, the other nine commandments were; and we are at liberty to go forth and break them all, as well as to break the fourth. I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for He never changes. [Malachi 3:6.] But the Pope had changed it from the seventh to the first day of the week; for he was to change times and laws. [Daniel 7:25.] {WLF 18.3}
And I saw that if God had changed the Sabbath, from the seventh to the first day, He would have changed the writing of the Sabbath commandment, written on the tables of stone, which are now in the ark, in the Most Holy Place of the Temple in heaven; [Revelation 11:19.] and it would read thus: the first day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. But I saw that it read the same as when written on the tables of stone by the finger of God, and delivered to Moses in Sinai, “But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” [Exodus 20:10.]
Ellen G. White Writings in Multiple Languages