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Well that is not true. Where does it say Christ is the Sabbath? How can Christ be the Sabbath when the Sabbath is the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3? If your view is correct when JESUS says that he is the LORD of the SABBATH and that he made the SABBATH for mankind does that mean JESUS is the LORD of himself and he made himself for mankind *MARK 2:27-28? If there is no scripture that says JESUS is the SABBATH when scriture says that the SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3 that JESUS is the LORD of *MARK 2:27-28 and that God commands us to keep as a HOLY day as a memorial of creation *EXODUS 20:8-11 are you proclaiming things that are not in God's WORD? Please consider all the scriptures in post # 19 linked sister only provided in love as a help.
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"the 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD" Ex 20:10
Ex 20:8-11 a day of rest.
Is 58:13 - a day for no secular activity at all
Lev 23:2-3 a day of solemn assembly and holy convocation
Not " a day for one hour of worship then the 23 remaining hours do all the secular activity you wish".
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Is there even one NT text that says they did that??
Not true even according to the majority of Sunday scholarship
I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
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Give me a list of churches or denominations that worshiped on the sabbath before the Protestant reformation...
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Here you go sister. Here is a list here; click me.
God's people all through time from GENESIS to REVELATION; From God's people before JESUS; to JESUS and all the Apostles during and after the death of JESUS all kept God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH according to God's 4th commandment. All through time afterwards God's people has always kept God's 4th commandment Sabbath unbroken to this very present day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we knowingly break it just like any other of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. SIN (breaking God's 10 Commandments) will keep all those who knowingly practice it out of God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27.
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Waldenses used to do it.
And Acts 18:4 "EVERY Sabbath" both Jews and gentiles meet for Gospel preaching in the synagogue.
There is no "hey now that you have accepted the gospel - please meet with us tomorrow at our every week -- week-day-1 services for more gospel preaching" in all of the NT
Sabbath after Sabbath gospel preaching to both gentiles and Jews in Acts 13 and Acts 17:1-5
I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism
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Then there was no reason to direct my attention to the verse you quoted. That verse has to do with judging others over religious activities. It has nothing to do with what you think it does. It's not a proof text to show the Sabbath has been done away with. You are misinterpreting it because you have overlooked its intended meaning.
Having said that, show me from the Bible where Jesus said He is the Sabbath or the replacement of it. I go by what the Bible says. Where's the Scripture?
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Col 2 is not about condemning eating or drinking or the annual Lev 23 Sabbath days.
Matthew 7 says not to judge others - before the cross -- under all the OT rules. No change in NT
Col 2 is not about deleting parts of the Bible -- the text says it is about "not making stuff up".
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You didn't do anything wrong. It's good that you are asking questions. Just be aware that there are a lot of misguided people here who like to argue.
Always go back to the Bible to make sure people are reading it correctly. I have found that people often say the Bible says something it doesn't say. The more you read the Bible, the more you will see this.
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NOWHERE does the New Testament teach that keeping the Sabbath day is binding on Christians under the New Covenant. Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.
*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).
These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).
Don't me misled by misguided teachers of the law. The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning. If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the Ten Commandments, never found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses?
The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17). *Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.
In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).
If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?
If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.
Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).
These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).
Don't me misled by misguided teachers of the law. The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning. If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the Ten Commandments, never found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses?
The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17). *Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.
In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).
If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?
If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.
Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
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Not true ... what is true is that nowhere do you find in the New Testament "do not take God's name in vain".
Which of course -- means nothing since that is not a "test" of anything.
creative writing.
By contrast "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4
and "The Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
Bible details matter.
"What matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19 where those commandments are the ones where "the fifth commandment is the first commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:2
Here is a great example of a text NOT condemning food or drink or one of the annual Sabbath days of Lev 23.
*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
As even your own Sunday scholars admit in places like section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" section 19, the civil laws in Israel were no longer in place once the theocracy ended.
So no killing someone for blasphemy or taking God's name in vain.
And no killing them for Sabbath breaking.
As both sides already agree.
It just does not get any easier than that!
As even your own Sunday scholars admit - the ceremonial laws ended at the cross - not the moral law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers when he wrote that the NEW Covenant is the one where God writes His LAWs on heart and mind. Specifically the moral law of God that even they admit - includes the TEN Commandments.
1. Manually kindling a fire as they did in Ex 35 - is extremely labor intensive. We would not do that today on Sabbath either.
next.
Is 58:13 no secular speaking or working or goofing off in the sore either.
What is your point. D.L. Moody appears to agree with that same teaching so not just your "Sabbatarians"
Ex 20:11 says it was made into a holy day in Genesis 2.
Genesis 2:1-3 says the same thing.
"Do not take God's name in vain" first appears on Exodus 20:7.
What is your point?
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Your own Sunday scholars fully debunk your speculation on that point when they themselves admit to the 1 Cor 7:19 distinction between the moral law of God (that includes the TEN commandments) and the ceremonial and civil laws that ended with the theocracy and ended at the cross.
You need a point that your own Sunday scholars do not fully refute.
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Jesus Christ is the sabbath and not the sabbath day(don't misquote me please). In mark 12:8, He says He is lord of the sabbath day.
The Word sabbath is 'sabat' which means rest or stop/cease from work. In Genesis, God created for six days and rested on the seventh day. It doesn't mean God was tired but he set a precedent. He set this as a principle for His people to rest from all their labouring. Taking all accounts of the sabbath, one can see how the sabbath rest is pointing to our messiah. The law made man work and labour for God's forgiveness. In Jesus, we find rest for there is no more labouring.
Also in scripture, we note that God made the sabbath Holy, sanctified and blessed it. In John 10:36,
“do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?”
Jesus is the holy, perfect son of God who was sanctified by the Father.
“For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.”
Hebrews 4:10
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I am not misquoting you. I am merely trying to help you see that your belief doesn't make sense. Moreover, you have no Scriptural support for it. Jesus never said He is the Sabbath. Your tradition says that. The Bible does not.
You are reading meaning into the Scriptures that isn't there, taking Scripture out of context to uphold an interpretation the Bible does not support.
Unless you can show me a text from the Bible specifically stating Jesus is the Sabbath, you have no ground to stand on. But I can show you from the Bible that the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.
Who should people believe? You who have no Scriptural support stating Jesus is the Sabbath or the Scriptures that actually tell us why the Sabbath exists, what it is, and when it is? (see Genesis 2:2-3; Exodus 20:8-11).
I will go with what the Bible says!
Update: I see you have rated my comment as "funny". I don't see what you think is so funny about me wanting you to provide clear proof from the Bible supporting the belief that Jesus is the Sabbath. You think you have done that, but you have not. All you have demonstrated is that you have taken Scripture out of context.
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So if you agree with the 7th day sabbath, do you also agree that no work should be done, more specifically:
refraining from any sort of cooking on sabbath.
Not driving on the sabbath (since Fires cannot be started or extinguished on Sabbath)
Using electronic devices on sabbath
Using any money money on the sabbath
Using indoor lights on the sabbath
Writing on the sabbath.
You’re following Jewish law about the sabbath, therefore should follow all the rules of the sabbath, yes?
It makes no sense to cherry pick from the Old Testament.
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I have refuted this with you previously...it is just not true and is easily checked in the Torah.
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