Are There Really Two Gospels?

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Correct that all those in Christ are saved.
Just not seeing anything anywhere that says His resurrection is the immersion (baptism) that saves us now.

We who are immersed in Him , in His Name, in water, are saved, yes, and share in His resurrection life right away.

Semantics or what ?

And what does this have to do with dispensationalism, btw? (this section of the forum).

Simply His Word, Truth.
I made comments long ago.....and someone responded....forgot my initial response...you would have to go back and take a look if you really want to know.. Are there 2 Gospels...is the Title...and I would say there is one we are speaking of Now: Trust Jesus and in Him you will find everything you need for this life including forgiveness if sins.
 
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So we are saved from trespasses and sin
In order to be Justified by His Life
This is a very old heresy, not found in Scripture. Just recently brought up a lot for some reason.

(not a good reason, but deadly to life and faith, btw)

Again, is that "Baptist" teaching ? ! (I don't think so)
 
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From the Bible, Truth of justification: (NOT by His Life, no)

Romans 5:9

New International Version
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!

New Living Translation
And since we have been made right in God's sight by the blood of Christ, he will certainly save us from God's condemnation.

English Standard Version
Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
 
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This is a very old heresy, not found in Scripture. Just recently brought up a lot for some reason.

(not a good reason, but deadly to life and faith, btw)

Again, is that "Baptist" teaching ? ! (I don't think so)
This scripture is not Heresy: Romans 4:25

Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

How is this Heresy?

We are saved by His resurrected life...sorry can't just leave Him in the grave..
 
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This scripture is not Heresy: Romans 4:25

Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

How is this Heresy?

We are saved by His resurrected life...sorry can't just leave Him in the grave..
I don't think you are sorry. It is not His life, not even His clean life, and not His resurrected life, that justifies Jews nor gentiles.

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From the Bible, Truth of justification: (NOT by His Life, no)

Romans 5:9

New International Version
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!

New Living Translation
And since we have been made right in God's sight by the blood of Christ, he will certainly save us from God's condemnation.

English Standard Version
Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
 
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From the Bible, Truth of justification: (NOT by His Life, no)

Romans 5:9

New International Version
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!

New Living Translation
And since we have been made right in God's sight by the blood of Christ, he will certainly save us from God's condemnation.

English Standard Version
Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
Note: not sure what you are arguing...Scripture doesn't say "God's wrath"
Doesn't it say just "wrath"? Not to say we are not ....in the ideal you speak
 
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You falsely claim justification by Jesus' Life.

I'm not going to address any of the other false teaching you post or believe.

Not here anyway. I don't know what false teachers , if any , agree with you.

I know no true teachers agree with you, so far.
 
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Nothing to argue about....More important t
You falsely claim justification by Jesus' Life.

I'm not going to address any of the other false teaching you post or believe.

Not here anyway. I don't know what false teachers , if any , agree with you.

I know no true teachers agree with you, so far.
I'm here to learn....I posted a scripture...that you will have to deal with.....Roman's 4:25



Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
 
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Nothing to argue about....More important t

I'm here to learn....I posted a scripture...that you will have to deal with.....Roman's 4:25



Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
You calling the Bible falsely claimed....
 
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From the Bible, Truth of justification: (NOT by His Life, no)

As written, by His Blood.

Romans 5:9

New International Version
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!

New Living Translation
And since we have been made right in God's sight by the blood of Christ, he will certainly save us from God's condemnation.

English Standard Version
Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
 
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From the Bible, Truth of justification: (NOT by His Life, no)

As written, by His Blood.

Romans 5:9

New International Version
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!

New Living Translation
And since we have been made right in God's sight by the blood of Christ, he will certainly save us from God's condemnation.

English Standard Version
Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
Let me start here.....sense you say it's the word of God....and not translation ....Does scripture say "God's" wrath? Or
just wrath?

2nd you never dealt with God's Word the scripture in Romans, I gave you.....deal with that....sense you jumped in to conversation....

3rd I'll finish later....
 
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Roman's 5;9 from the Bible KJV....

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
 
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Roman's 5;9 from the Bible KJV....

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
1 John 1:7

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Ask the question when is one cleansed?
When they walk in the Spirit.....
Salvation is ongoing.....one can be saved,delivered,cleansed ,protected...from many things in this life....as also the wrath or anger of man kind


Now, sense have been justified by faith......
 
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? Do you deny the Blood ?
That's the biggest red flag, though not the only one, it is the biggest missing requirement so far.

Scripture says we are justified by His Blood.
No, I believe scripture...as I quoted above...when you walk in the spirit you have fellowship with one another and the blood cleanses from all unrighteouness.
 
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The Gospel of the Grace of God

Mans problem: "Sin"

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

...God's Provision: "THE CROSS"

"Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried,and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures." (1Corinthians 15:3-4)

God's Gift: "SALVATION"

"...the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23 b)

Man's Responsibility: "FAITH"

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is a gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)

The Result: "PEACE WITH GOD"

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 5:1)

The ASSURANCE: "SEALED "

"In whom [Christ] ye also trusted, after that, ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise..." (Ephesians 1:13)

Because Romans 5: 6-11.
 
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Read 1 peter 3:21

Ephesians 4:5's one baptism is 1 Corinthians 12: 13's baptism into the Body by the Spirit, the moment one believes Christ died for their sins, Romans 5:1; Romans 6: 1-6.

And what that bapistism, is the following one WITH Him, that the faith of the operation of God performs the moment one trusts Christ...

Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

That baptism is this one...

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

In other words, the Cross the Believer is identified having died on WITH Him the moment he or she trusts that Christ died for his or her sins...

Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Paul then addresses the endless treadmill of the works for salvation that some will right away add to that baptism's complete work...

2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using ; after the commandments and doctrines of men? 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Again, Ephesians 4: 5's baptism is performed by the Spirit of God and is the principle of identifying (the person who has trusted that Christ died for one's sins) WITH CHRIST.

Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

The Spirit identifies the Believer as having died to the Law by the body of Christ the Believer is described in Romans 6 as having been identified with that the Believer should, that is, that the result of that identification WITH Christ in HIS, Death, Burial, and Resurrection WITH Him, should be that the Believer is now married or made one WITH Christ, NOT ONLY in in HIS, Death, Burial, and Resurrection, but in HIS newness of life IN Him, which is the Believer's enablement to serve.

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

And so on.

In contrast this Baptism by the Spirit INTO the Body of Christ, the Baptism that Peter is describing in the following, is a water baptism...

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

That is this, an Israelite water purification ritual which was phased out by the time of Ephesians 4, which was written after Paul's final pronouncement against the Nation Israel, in Acts 28...

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized. 3:24 For John was not yet cast into prison. 3:25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. 3:26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.

By the way, I hold an Acts 9 Dispensationalism aka Mid-Acts, see my OP, and also, post # 30, linked below.

Are There Really Two Gospels?

You might also find my post after this one sheds some added light on our Two Gospels position...

Acts 17: 11, 12
 
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