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I'm not ignoring a thing.

So when I quote Scripture I'm cherry picking, but when others only share half of the story (leaving out the redemptive work of Christ) I'm the one that's ignoring His word?
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Despite the preaching and prophesying of the various Prophets, God's backslidden people were said to have "made their faces harder than a rock" and to have "made their hearts as an adamant stone..." We read of them in the Books of Jeremiah and Zechariah -

Jeremiah 5:3 - "O LORD, are not Thine eyes upon the truth? Thou hast stricken them, but they have not grieved; Thou hast consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction: they have made their faces harder than a rock; they have refused to return."

Zechariah 7:11-13 - "But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in His spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts. Therefore it is come to pass, that as He cried, and they would not hear; so they cried, and I would not hear, saith the LORD of hosts."

These people were determined, resolute, and steadfast - not to do God's will - but their own. They were wilful, stubborn, and inflexible in their sinful ways. Their faces were harder than a rock, and their hearts were extremely adamant as granite or a diamond. They couldn't be softened by the Word of the Lord. With an unholy persistence, they continued onward in their wickedness and stubbornness. No amount of coaxing, threatening, or correction could turn them around."


A Face Like A Flint
 
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That is not what I am saying at all .... what I am saying is that sin will not be totally eradicated until God destroys it.
Sin will be totally eradicated once humanity walks in the new life that Christ gave us.
 
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Leviticus 16

6Aaron is to present the bull for his sin offering and make atonement for himself and his household. 7 Then he shall take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting.

8After Aaron casts lots for the two goats, one for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat, 9 he shall present the goat chosen by lot for the LORD and sacrifice it as a sin offering.

Leviticus 16

20 When Aaron has finished purifying the Most Holy Place, the Tent of Meeting, and the altar, he is to bring forward the live goat. 21Then he is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the iniquities and rebellious acts of the Israelites in regard to all their sins. He is to put them on the goat’s head and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man appointed for the task. 22The goat will carry on itself all their iniquities into a solitary place, and the man will release it into the wilderness.

Leviticus 17

11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make an atonement for your souls upon the altar, since it is the lifeblood that makes atonement.

Obviously we disagree ... so will have to agree to disagree.

you left out verse 10, now why would you do that? must be because it is that verse that tells you the scapegoat is for ATONEMENT
 
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go read about
azazel in the Jewish Encylopedia (link below)

If you do not go read it ... do not bother to reply.

Leveticus 16

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He is to cast lots for the two goats--one lot for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat.

The word scapegoat is translated from the Hebrew word azazel

azazel: entire removal
Original Word: עֲזָאזֵל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: azazel
Phonetic Spelling: (az-aw-zale')
Definition: entire removal

AZAZEL - JewishEncyclopedia.com
Correct. But you are assigning the scapegoat to Satan - so, in essence, you're saying that Satan "carries and removes" the sin.

ez = female goat
azal = departure
Strong's Hebrew: 235. אָזַל (azal) -- to go
 
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Sin will be totally eradicated once humanity walks in the new life that Christ gave us.
It is written that all humanity (all society) serves demons, not Christ.
They refuse to repent, they refuse to stop worshiping demons, so they are cast in the lake of fire.

There would be no one left, if God did not set a remnant apart for Himself.
 
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well ... go read about
azazel in the Jewish Encylopedia (link below)

If you do not go read it ... do not bother to reply.

Leveticus 16

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He is to cast lots for the two goats--one lot for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat.

The word scapegoat is translated from the Hebrew word azael

azazel: entire removal
Original Word: עֲזָאזֵל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: azazel
Phonetic Spelling: (az-aw-zale')
Definition: entire removal

AZAZEL - JewishEncyclopedia.com

First, This is my thread so I will post whenever I like.
Second, I have already covered azazel so that tells me you have not read the thread but jumped in with the same old tired arguments i HAVE ALREADY DEALT WITH.
 
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Correct. But you are assigning the scapegoat to Satan - so, in essence, you're saying that Satan "carries and removes" the sin.

ez = female goat
azal = departure
Strong's Hebrew: 235. אָזַל (azal) -- to go

I find this truly sad, it seems more then a few think satan is the atonement for our sins which if they actually thought it out it would make Satan our saviour.
 
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Sin will be totally eradicated once humanity walks in the new life that Christ gave us.

Yes, and that will be after the GWTJ - and God totally destroys the earth and everything in it.

2 Peter 3:7

But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

Matthew 25:41

"Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, 'Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.

Revelation 20:11

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.


Isaiah 65:17


17 “For behold, I create new heavens
and a new earth,
and the former things shall not be remembered
or come into mind.

Revelation 21:5

5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
 
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you left out verse 10, now why would you do that? must be because it is that verse that tells you the scapegoat is for ATONEMENT

I posted a link about Azazel ... did you go read it?
 
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I find this truly sad, it seems more then a few think satan is the atonement for our sins which if they actually thought it out it would make Satan our saviour.
I agree. I'm sincerely stunned by what I'm reading (and at the degree that some posters are digging in their heels to believe something so hopeless and offensive to Christ's glorious work).
 
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Yes, and that will be after the GWTJ - and God totally destroys the earth and everything in it.
Keep (or maybe "begin" is more applicable) tearing away man-made presuppositions and you'll get to the truth.
 
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Jesus always started with REPENT, and His Last Word also: REPENT.
Jesus wants everyone who is to stop preaching , stop believing, the FALSE GOSPEL that destroys many souls - universalism.

Those of us who repented He is happy with.
 
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From Ray Vander Laan:

Jesus was both the scapegoat and the Passover lamb. The scapegoat was part of the temple ceremony for the Day of Atonement. Like the goat, he was driven outside the city.

Roman law required executions to be in public places. The Damascus Gate or Northern Gate was a very large, public gate, and it is likely the gate through which Jesus left the city to be crucified. ~ Faith Lesson by Ray Vander Laan: City of the Great King, Parts 1 and 2
 
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Correct. But you are assigning the scapegoat to Satan - so, in essence, you're saying that Satan "carries and removes" the sin.

ez = female goat
azal = departure
Strong's Hebrew: 235. אָזַל (azal) -- to go

there is not a "essence" ... and no satan does not remove sin .... he is responsible for sin ... hes the one that started it ... the removal of satan by God destroying him is how sin is eradicated ... satan is destroyed

What are YOU seeing there?[/QUOTE]

Evidentially you did not go read the link ... or if you did ... go read it again slowly. The scapegoat is not associated with christ.

Strongs Hebrew 5799

Strong's Hebrew: 5799. עֲזָאזֵל (azazel) -- entire removal
 
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