Jigoku (Japanese Hell in Buddhism) & seeing why it's pointless condemning Christian Belief in Hell

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Naturally, every analogy or comparison falls apart beyond a certain point. And of course, our minds are more complex and multi-faceted than 16-bit video games from the early 90s.
But is our "fluidity" really an argument in favour of an eternal, unchanging "soul"? I remember a long-term study where they tracked down participants of a survey after 40-50 years to see how much they had in common with their younger selves - and consistently found that they had become completely different persons in the meantime.
Also, people constantly act "out of character" or against their own conscious principles. Christians usually think of this in terms of sin, but I'd say the unconscious is a little more complex than thaat simplistic black-and-white scenario. Mental processes outside of our rational control are a vital aspect of our psyche.
 
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Yeah, I was thinking about stuff like that also. Well, less Star Trek and more Altered Carbon and Dark Matter, which have similar type of stuff going on. (If you guys haven't seen them, you should! Especially you, @Zoness.)

I don't think the notion of the soul is necessarily a stumbling block, though. For one, most neuroscientists lean so strongly in the opposite direction that they instead read deterministic conclusions into the evidence when it's not actually warranted. I lean towards emergent dualism these days (sort of), but I don't think we could even conclusively rule out substance dualism on scientific grounds, much less some of the takes on idealism.

Altered Carbon is amazing! I love me some classic Transhumanist Cyberpunk. I am not acquainted with Dark Matter though I will have to check that out. Also @Jane_the_Bane referenced Eclipse Phase which I own the source books for but have not gotten a chance to play due to needing a fresh player group that's interested. It looks like a great setting.

I'm not well acquainted with emergent dualism so I won't speak to it much but I have always been a bit sketchy about substance dualism. I've never found any explanations of it that click with me as an accurate description of reality. While my default is philosophical materialism, I've taken informally into consideration some ideas about Panpsychism which seems to be gaining some more modern popularity these days, probably as a response to straight Materialism. However, I don't jump to the idea of a soul automatically because there's a lot of religious baggage attached to it that I'm not really in sync with these days.
 
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I was disturbed by when saying a Christian with beliefs about Hell or Judgement could not hold an office because it was prejudiced.
I doubt salty Sanders is aware of the discussion about Hell and what the Bible actually teaches about it.
Sure, there's the traditional view, but there's the Biblical view too, which is based on Bible exegesis.
John 3:16
Only eternal life in Christ.
 
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Naturally, every analogy or comparison falls apart beyond a certain point. And of course, our minds are more complex and multi-faceted than 16-bit video games from the early 90s.
But is our "fluidity" really an argument in favour of an eternal, unchanging "soul"?
No eternal life without christ.
John 3:16

Don't assume the haters' objections are based on the Bible.

Be careful who you follow.
 
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Altered Carbon is amazing! I love me some classic Transhumanist Cyberpunk. I am not acquainted with Dark Matter though I will have to check that out. Also @Jane_the_Bane referenced Eclipse Phase which I own the source books for but have not gotten a chance to play due to needing a fresh player group that's interested. It looks like a great setting.

I'm not well acquainted with emergent dualism so I won't speak to it much but I have always been a bit sketchy about substance dualism. I've never found any explanations of it that click with me as an accurate description of reality. While my default is philosophical materialism, I've taken informally into consideration some ideas about Panpsychism which seems to be gaining some more modern popularity these days, probably as a response to straight Materialism. However, I don't jump to the idea of a soul automatically because there's a lot of religious baggage attached to it that I'm not really in sync with these days.
Good to consider...
 
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