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Did The Lord Jesus Christ have eternal life? Why did he physically die then?
So you don't consider yourself one of His sheep?
So you're going with avoidng adultery, killing, stealing, bearing false witness, defrauding others, and honoring your father and mother. Is that correct?A simple question was asked, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? .
Simple answer given, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.]
So, what you're saying is that the Bible is unclear about how to be saved, how to have eternal life, how to get into heaven. Get serious.This is the point. The one condition is not an easy to define condition.
Why in the world would you compare getting saved with your own ability in some dumb physical activity? There is no comparison.I believe I can rock climb, except when I have to put my weight on a hold, I often doubt my ability to manage to balance all the forces.
Again, you fail to provide any evidence for your opinions. Where is the Scripture that supposedly says this?So when you accept you are talking belief in Jesus, Jesus says this is expressed by obedience.
This is opposite of Scripture. John 3:16 says that God so loved the world that He gave His Son, so that whosoever believes HAS eternal life and will NOT PERISH.Jesus declares if we are to have His love, we need to listen and obey.
And you'd better believe that He hears you EVERY TIME you reject His teaching in John 10:28.The Lord even says He is commited to listen. God will listen to us. The King of Kings will hear our voice.
Yeah, this paragraph is a "real winner". woo woo. It doesn't make sense. It is totally irrelevant to the discussion. Who has "changed their position"? Not me, and not Gr8Grace. So, who then? You? Much of what you post is impossible to follow or understand.This is an interesting interaction.
To change ones position the argument or foundation has to move. If I come with obvious truth and reality to just repeat a sentence about one interpretation of a sentence meaning only that is not actually proving anything other than one believes that interpretation alone. Woooo, that was a real winner.
And you don't believe Him.I stand before the King. I hear Him.
From your posts, you have been taught by false teachers.And that is why I walk as I do. I follow, I listen and I have been taught.
Uh, "faith" in what, exactly? Surely not faith in His promise that you won't perish.Until I meet Him and He calls me one of His, I walk by faith.
What specifically is your faith in "on the cross"? Please explain.And my faith is founded on the cross His love and the work He has done in my life.
You ARE wrong. And everyone can fail.And like all redeemed sinners, I could be wrong, and I could fail.
I see. So then, even though Jesus never mentioned that recipients have to succeed in order to never perish, you still believe that's a requirement or condition for never perishing.If I fail then I will perish.
Again, I see. Your faith is in your own ability to not fail, in order to be saved. You are a Pharisee, not a Christian. That's your title.As far as I know I listen to Jesus and follow Him, so as long as this remains true I will not perish.
So, are you something special, since you don't know if you are a sheep or not? Why do you say "for me and His sheep"? Sounds like 2 groups here; you as one group, and His sheep as another group.Jesus is declaring His love for me and His sheep.
You are quite confused. You just stated that as long as you don't fail, you won't perish.He knows them and He will never let us go.
Huh?? Here's the verse: Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me,The divide He is describing in John 10:25 is people saying tell us who you are, but in truth they have already rejected Him, all they want is a charge of blasphemy.
Jesus doesn't have to prove anything. But He proves His Deity all the time.Jesus does not have to prove this to His sheep.
Great tactic. Just ignore every point that has been made regarding a previous post of yours, and keep moving forward with more and more verses.JL Original post: [Gal5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.]
JL: What you miss is [1Jn3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.]
Not to be mean but since you asked me to reply to this post I will be quite frank. I didn’t reply before as I thought it not credible enough to waste my time. I can’t imagine anyone reading your post, would take it seriously.
[Eph5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.]
[1Cor6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.]
[Gal5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.]
[Mt13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.]
[2Pt3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.] (Strong’s g684 destroying, utter destruction of vessels a perishing, ruin, the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell.)
[Rv21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.]
[Rv21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.]
This isn't clear. In John 10:28 Jesus said His sheep are given eternal life and shall never perish.Absolutely I consider myself as one of His sheep. But I am not so full of myself as to believe I can be unrighteous as a fornicator, idolater, adulterer, effeminate, abuser with mankind, and shall inherit the kingdom. If I do sin and repent and confess my sin I will be restored to grace.
Whoever taught you is a false teacher. Of course all believers are vulnerable to "bad situations" and failing. But you still can't find any verse that says we lose salvation or entrance into heaven based on failing or "bad situations".So for us to claim eternal life, which can never perish, is to embrace the idea we can never get into a bad situation and fail.
No. This is more false teaching. Jesus reassures us that those He gives eternal life, which is at the moment of faith in Him, we shall never perish. Period.Jesus reassures us that He will save us, but in a sense this is a test of our hearts, do we love Him because of who He is or because of what He provides.
No kidding. And guess what! Your view is exactly that; you've exalted your own way, by your "faith" in your own ability to not fail.[/QUOTE]Jesus emphasises being exalted is our way
Do you not understand what's behind "fear and trembling"? His painful discipline, per Heb 12:11.Paul the apostle, who was a great light of Gods work in the heart of a man, still was not presumptious, and knew before God there is fear and trembling, and great love.
That being so, then don't call yourself a Christian, because Christians are ALL His sheep. And only His sheep. So avoid that title at all costs.
Whoever taught you is a false teacher
Do you not understand what's behind "fear and trembling"? His painful discipline, per Heb 12:11.
Psalm 100:3~~New American Standard BibleIt is not for me to claim something that I have already become, for my becoming is testimony enough.
There is no presumption in it. Your doing your best to avoid calling yourself one of His sheep.I am sorry, presumption is a sin.
Your very words and attitude make me pause.
The critical question was, " Did the Lord Jesus Christ have eternal life?" Yes. He did/does. Yet He still perished physically.JL: [Jn10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.]
Jn10:28=perish=apollymi=Strong’s g622.
[Lk13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. 33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. 34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!]
Lk13:33=perish=apollymi=Strongs g622
It seems Jesus is going to Jerusalem to perish.
There is no presumption in it. Your doing your best to avoid calling yourself one of His sheep.