Is all that is required for salvation is believing in Christ and Him crucified?

Jason0047 said:

Is all that is required for salvation is believing in Christ and Him crucified?

Some appear to believe this based on 1 Corinthians 2:1-2.

Is this true?

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No. People had saving faith in God before Jesus was born.

Is all that is required for salvation is believing in Christ and Him crucified?

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. James 2:19

I have wondered on some occasions why the Bible is laid out the way it is. The answer is not an easy one, but God does explain along in His Word on what it means to "believe" in Jesus. The Wisdom of God told me that it is a verb and that it is with action that we believe. If we believe, we do what He says and our hearts are renewed as well as our mind - so long as we remain in love and Love will remain in us.

The reason I joined this forum tonight is because I was thinking about this particular question, so I went seeking and it brought me here.

The Bible explains that part of Salvation is believing in the Son and that he was crucified to deliver us from our sins. But, that is not the only thing the Bible says that you need to have in order to get Salvation.

The "Jesus" of today's society has been skewed to a version that fits people, and that teaches them that they can sin and sin and sin and be forgiven and still have a space in Heaven. However, Jesus in the Bible (Which is without flaw) is not the facade that has been put out there. Not only does a person have to believe in Christ our savior, but they must do the works, they must abide by the Law, they must not continue to commit Sins after repenting, they must spread the Word. There are so many layers and the Bible will tell you all that you need to know.

It makes me sad knowing that there are many people living with the misconception, and that think by just being saved and repenting is enough to earn eternal life. There are people who think that just showing up in Church on Sunday's will earn them a space in Heaven. This is not TRUE based on all the teachings of the Bible.

I am coming to understandings more and more everyday. The Bible will answer all of your questions. Seek and you will find. He will give you the ears to hear and the eyes to see, but you have to seek it with all of your heart, or it will not be given.

Matthew 7:21, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”

SJohnson08 said:

The reason I joined this forum tonight is because I was thinking about this particular question, so I went seeking and it brought me here.

The Bible explains that part of Salvation is believing in the Son and that he was crucified to deliver us from our sins. But, that is not the only thing the Bible says that you need to have in order to get Salvation.

The "Jesus" of today's society has been skewed to a version that fits people, and that teaches them that they can sin and sin and sin and be forgiven and still have a space in Heaven. However, Jesus in the Bible (Which is without flaw) is not the facade that has been put out there. Not only does a person have to believe in Christ our savior, but they must do the works, they must abide by the Law, they must not continue to commit Sins after repenting, they must spread the Word. There are so many layers and the Bible will tell you all that you need to know.

It makes me sad knowing that there are many people living with the misconception, and that think by just being saved and repenting is enough to earn eternal life. There are people who think that just showing up in Church on Sunday's will earn them a space in Heaven. This is not TRUE based on all the teachings of the Bible.

I am coming to understandings more and more everyday. The Bible will answer all of your questions. Seek and you will find. He will give you the ears to hear and the eyes to see, but you have to seek it with all of your heart, or it will not be given.

Matthew 7:21, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”

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Look in Scripture for the Truth.

Search for "will be saved" like at biblegateway dot com
to see
what is written in Scripture, not man's tradition.

It is very much an eye opener, God Willing.

Note even "will be" of the phrase "will be saved" .....

More importantly, see what God Says in His Word.

SJohnson08 said:

I am coming to understandings more and more everyday. The Bible will answer all of your questions. Seek and you will find. He will give you the ears to hear and the eyes to see, but you have to seek it with all of your heart, or it will not be given.

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Yes, seek Yahweh's Kingdom, seek Yahweh Himself, and keep seeking always in this life, every day.
His Promise, He Always Keeps. Seek Him. No one else has the words of eternal life.

HALLELUYAH !

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Look in Scripture for the Truth.

Search for "will be saved" like at biblegateway dot com
to see
what is written in Scripture, not man's tradition.

It is very much an eye opener, God Willing.

Note even "will be" of the phrase "will be saved" .....

More importantly, see what God Says in His Word.

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I will do that. There has been a lot being revealed to me as of late, and it is bringing me more into the Bible, seeking and developing my relationship with God. That deeper understanding is what I want, because there is so much more to it then people have been led to believe, myself included. The only Truth is within the Bible. The sugar coating that I have seen in regards to what is directly in the Word, is frightening to say the least. People are being deceived, and are unaware.

because the sheep depend on others to teach them when they should be able to

Timothy416 said:

I doubt you love your government with all your heart though do you. If you love God enough, why would you need the threat of punishment for sin? You don't want it do you. You just want to live your life for God, a licence to sin would not even cross your mind. You want to please and serve God and see him glorified out of love and gratitude for him. Hard to do that, if you have to constantly worry that a slip could put you in danger of the fires of hell

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If your premise is true - if you love God enough - then you would not need the threat of punishment for sin - is not always the case. Sometimes the threat of punishment is indeed required. Why do you suppose God made an example of Ananias & Sapphira?
"And great fear came upon the whole church and upon all who heard of these things" (Acts 5:11).
Apparently, fear is also a great motivator to obey God isn't it?

Jason0047 said:

Is all that is required for salvation is believing in Christ and Him crucified?

Some appear to believe this based on 1 Corinthians 2:1-2.

Is this true?

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Peoples' belief is tested with life.

As the Hebrews 12:4 author eloquently states -

After all, you have not yet given your lives in your struggle against sin. (Hebrews 12:4)

The proof of belief requires your loyalty to your death.

As Jesus stated -

Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you a Crown of Life. (Rev 2:10)

"Look, I will come as unexpectedly as a thief! Blessed are all who are watching for me, who keep their clothing ready so they will not have to walk around naked and ashamed." (Rev 16:15)

So the believing part requires proof of death, that is a death certificate in declaring whether you died for your Lord or not!

Timothy416 said:

I will assume you are married, or at least have a girlfriend you love. When you are with her, do you have to keep thinking about the law of the ten commandments pertaining to how we should treat each other? Do you have to strive to obey those laws? Do you have to strive not to steal from your girlfriend/wife, murder her, bear false witness against her, commit adultery against her? Do you fear that if you slip up concerning how you should treat her she will cast you aside, or not stay with you unless you earnestly repent to her? My guess is none of that applies in your relationship. Why not? Because she loves you and you love her. Because she loves you, do you take advantage of her, and steal from her, hit her, or act mean to her every day? Do you think you have a licence to do that because she loves you and will not leave you? My guess is you don’t, because you love her.

So its kinda strange, that although none of these things are any concern to you in your relationship with your partner, because you love each other, they are in your relationship with God.

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I'll bet that if I slept around on my wife she would cast me aside rather swiftly. That would be her right, at the same time it's her right to forgive me if I repented. BTW, I likely wouldn't have married her if I thought she'd put up with that behavior.
God say's if we love him we will keep His commandments. If I say to my wife, I love you, the word love is a verb. Correct? True love isn't that warm fuzzy feeling, it's the action, how you treat the other....putting the other before yourself. Or, how you obey God.
Well, that's what is taught in my Bible.

Just_a_Christian said:

God say's if we love him we will keep His commandments. If I say to my wife, I love you, the word love is a verb. Correct?

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Yes.
LOVE IS OBEDIENCE , by CHOICE OF THE WILL, to always obey God.
Not feelings nor emotions as concerning Yahweh's Kingdom,
nor feelings nor emotions to be followed, no.

Oldmantook said:

because the sheep depend on others to teach them when they should be able to

If your premise is true - if you love God enough - then you would not need the threat of punishment for sin - is not always the case. Sometimes the threat of punishment is indeed required. Why do you suppose God made an example of Ananias & Sapphira?
"And great fear came upon the whole church and upon all who heard of these things" (Acts 5:11).
Apparently, fear is also a great motivator to obey God isn't it?

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The greatest commandment is love the Lord your God with all your heart, body, soul, mind and strength. Can you really love God and want to serve him out of love and gratitude for what his son did for you if you are motivated by fear? Perfect love casts out fear

Just_a_Christian said:

I'll bet that if I slept around on my wife she would cast me aside rather swiftly. That would be her right, at the same time it's her right to forgive me if I repented. BTW, I likely wouldn't have married her if I thought she'd put up with that behavior.
God say's if we love him we will keep His commandments. If I say to my wife, I love you, the word love is a verb. Correct? True love isn't that warm fuzzy feeling, it's the action, how you treat the other....putting the other before yourself. Or, how you obey God.
Well, that's what is taught in my Bible.

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If you love your wife you would not sleep around. Love fulfills the law

Timothy416 said:

If you love your wife you would not sleep around. Love fulfills the law

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If you love God, in truth, as God Says in His Word,
if you love your wife, in truth, as God Says in His Word,
then you always do what Yahweh Says. (TORAH)

If you only 'feel' love, for God or wife, < shrugs > you do what you want and perish perhaps. That's what most people do.

Timothy416 said:

I will assume you are married, or at least have a girlfriend you love. When you are with her, do you have to keep thinking about the law of the ten commandments pertaining to how we should treat each other? Do you have to strive to obey those laws? Do you have to strive not to steal from your girlfriend/wife, murder her, bear false witness against her, commit adultery against her? Do you fear that if you slip up concerning how you should treat her she will cast you aside, or not stay with you unless you earnestly repent to her? My guess is none of that applies in your relationship. Why not? Because she loves you and you love her. Because she loves you, do you take advantage of her, and steal from her, hit her, or act mean to her every day? Do you think you have a licence to do that because she loves you and will not leave you? My guess is you don’t, because you love her.

So its kinda strange, that although none of these things are any concern to you in your relationship with your partner, because you love each other, they are in your relationship with God.

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Oh, I forgot to ask. It sounds almost as if you're advocating premarital sex. If you are, I would doubt VERY seriously that you have a daughter!! If that be the case, you'll change your tune if you ever have a daughter.

Going by feelings, as in the old self, the old disobedient nature,
leads to all kinds of sin. Yes.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

If you love God, in truth, as God Says in His Word,
if you love your wife, in truth, as God Says in His Word,
then you always do what Yahweh Says. (TORAH)

If you only 'feel' love, for God or wife, < shrugs > you do what you want and perish perhaps. That's what most people do.

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When my mother whom I loved dearly was diagnosed with terminal cancer, my wife and I went to look after her in her home for a few months during her illness. During that time, I often reflected I was living closer to the biblical ideal than I ever previously had in my life. I put aside my own wants and desire for my mother. My happiness was seeing her happy in the short time she had left to live. I truly delighted in taking her out for days to places she loved to go, taking her to visit friends, and bringing them to visit her before the illness progressed beyond this being possible. Nothing was too much to do for her. I did not covet what was my mothers, I did not want to steal from her, bear false witness against her, murder her, or upset her in any way. Why did I act that way towards my mother. Did I look to the words of the ten commandments and strive to obey them where my mother was concerned? No! I never once thought about them, they never crossed my mind. So why were they being obeyed? Because I loved my mother dearly. Love fulfils the law

Just_a_Christian said:

Oh, I forgot to ask. It sounds almost as if you're advocating premarital sex. If you are, I would doubt VERY seriously that you have a daughter!! If that be the case, you'll change your tune if you ever have a daughter.

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According to the bible, the people who are most likely to stray in that direction, are the people who hinge their saved state on obeying the law

SJohnson08 said:

The reason I joined this forum tonight is because I was thinking about this particular question, so I went seeking and it brought me here.

The Bible explains that part of Salvation is believing in the Son and that he was crucified to deliver us from our sins. But, that is not the only thing the Bible says that you need to have in order to get Salvation.

The "Jesus" of today's society has been skewed to a version that fits people, and that teaches them that they can sin and sin and sin and be forgiven and still have a space in Heaven. However, Jesus in the Bible (Which is without flaw) is not the facade that has been put out there. Not only does a person have to believe in Christ our savior, but they must do the works, they must abide by the Law, they must not continue to commit Sins after repenting, they must spread the Word. There are so many layers and the Bible will tell you all that you need to know.

It makes me sad knowing that there are many people living with the misconception, and that think by just being saved and repenting is enough to earn eternal life. There are people who think that just showing up in Church on Sunday's will earn them a space in Heaven. This is not TRUE based on all the teachings of the Bible.

I am coming to understandings more and more everyday. The Bible will answer all of your questions. Seek and you will find. He will give you the ears to hear and the eyes to see, but you have to seek it with all of your heart, or it will not be given.

Matthew 7:21, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”

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There are groups of God's people out there that teach, preach and try to live it in our lives daily. I hear wisdom in your words, me thinks you know this...lol